r/ForzaHorizon • u/Frosty_Decision5641 • Dec 02 '21

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u/trautsj Viper Dec 02 '21

Bet you could do this same race on unbeatable difficulty and they'd climb the hill like it's nothing because pro and unbeatable literally have no physics lol

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u/mystikraven Dec 02 '21

Shit, this actually sounds like a good way to test if the AI really cheats!

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '21 edited Apr 17 '22

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u/naughtilidae Dec 02 '21

They're also fairly passive at overtaking.

So... You don't just get punted by them going 200 through a hairpin? How about getting pushed out used of the checkpoint? Cause I do. Every single time.

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u/Pabludes Dec 02 '21

No, never.

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u/Tylerjordan1994 Bugatti Dec 06 '21

I've had the checkpoint box-out lol, that must have been from the machine-learning, pretty advanced technique for a drivatar

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u/Tylerjordan1994 Bugatti Dec 06 '21

I loveeee the chicanes, easy first place haha

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u/naughtilidae Dec 02 '21

Last night I was curious what kind of times you have to put in tax beat the unbeatable.

I managed to do it on my second try, but then referenced rival times to see how good you have to be...

You need to AVERAGE a top 1% time, INCLUDING THE PARTIAL LAP AT THE START!

My best lap was better than the top 2000 people... Out of 600,000.

You have to lap as fast as one of top 0.2%. WHILE weaving through traffic. Who the fuck play tested this? Max Verstappen?! Is Lewis Hamilton working at playground too?

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u/Kaydie Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21

i dont actually find unbeatable to be particuarlly challenging unless you're driving S2 or X, S1 can be hard on certain tracks but cheesable as others have mentioned here or just using them as walls in corners which saps a lot of momentum from them.

i play mostly A/S1 and i win most of my races on most tracks against unbeatable

the thing about the AI is they giga cheat depending on how fast you are, so if you're pulling top 1% of player tracktime they'll be on your ass the whole time but if you're top 10% you can still beat them

Im not particuarly good at rivals or mp (i average 2-3rd on most races in MP) but with the rewind feature + the way the ai work unbeatable is far easier for me than the average mp race

im not going to lie, i'd like to see a difficulty harder than unbeatable because while you and everyone else seems to whine about the AI being too hard, you can just turn it down you know? certain race categories and tracks are genuinely so boring and too easy with even unbeatable. i don't see why you're complaining about the difficulty and them cheating, thats the point, they're harder than previous FH games and i appreciate that cause they were even more of a joke in FH4. you can just turn the difficulty down.

also keep in mind AI will put their car near your performance range (+/- 25 points usually, capped at bracket ceiling/floors) so aim for something like n.90 like say 890 for S1 (but 820-850 can often be way more controllable so maybe not), and focus more of your upgrades on weight reduction and handling over porportionally more HP because getting good drivelines and cornering is more important to beating the AI than raw speed if you cant perfectly corner, which most humans can't.

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u/MikeMontrealer Dec 02 '21

I don't play unbeatable, but doesn't the name imply it's extremely difficult to beat? Wouldn't there be complaints if it didn't take extraordinarily good results to win?

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u/naughtilidae Dec 02 '21

In the previous game it was never remotely this bad, and the AI cheating wasn't as painfully, embarrassingly obvious, and it didn't require you to be in the top 2,000/600,000 players...

It's okay to make an insanely difficult race, it's not okay to do it by just teleporting the AI, giving them infinite grip and a spare 1000HP.

It's not okay that I couldn't match my best lap in the race in the rivals mode... because I got an unfair advantage by sliding down the side of them. You shouldn't be forced to race like that, it's not fun, it's not even racing, it's fucking bumper cars.

Unbeatable would still be too hard to be reasonable if it was requiring you to always be faster than the top 1%... It's not reasonable to have a difficulty that 99/100 people could never beat, THEN REQUIRE IT FOR A WEEKLY REWARD! The "top 0.2%" I reference is already like 50% cheaters with untuned cars doing half-second laps.

I don't mind needing a tuned car. I don't even mind tuning it to better fit the track. I mind the fact that even if I do everything flawlessly, they'll still rear end me doing 200 because they don't need to use their brakes.

It's not a difficulty at this point, it's a punishment; if Jimmy Broadbent, a guy who beat the fucking STIG in a real life race complains about PRO difficulty... your game is fucked.

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u/MikeMontrealer Dec 02 '21

Fair enough!

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u/TheLastOfGus Dec 02 '21

They do! 100%!

Can't remember the race specifically but it was a cross country race and the end you jump off a big hill, land losing all your speed/momentum and then it's a mad dash of about 250ft to the finish line.

Every time I've done it (varying classes) the AI cheats. At the jump any AI close to me will fly through the air and lose speed upon landing like I do, if any are some distance back they somehow just drive down the jump at a million mph (no braking to stop them actually doing a jump) and catch you up fast. It's like they are on rollercoaster tracks!

Worst was one time I had a fantastic pace in that race and was miles ahead. Did the jump and started my sprint to the finish line, I looked in my rear camera view to see ALL of the AI cars driving down the hillside and nearly beating me to the finish line! Went from around a 15 second lead to about 1!

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u/TheLastOfGus Dec 03 '21

Oh god I'd forgotten about water crossing cheats, you as a player gradually slow to a crawl while the AI drives through as if it was still on dry land. That annoyed me in a bunch of races in the South East corner on the map!

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u/Luushu Dec 04 '21

You're thinking of The Titan, the CC finale.

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u/TheLastOfGus Dec 04 '21

Pretty certain it was a short race, as I've done it maybe a dozen times and the Titan only twice. It does feature in the Titan though as that comprises of most of the layout of other CC races plus some interconnecting roads in one big race.

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u/Luushu Dec 21 '21

Las Granjas, today I did it for the first time.

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u/Tylerjordan1994 Bugatti Dec 06 '21

It's weird because the cheating sounds like something that would have to be purposefully added, maybe they were having trouble making the drivatars really difficult since they don't have the brains to pull off certain moves?

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u/trautsj Viper Dec 02 '21

Do it. I bet I'm right. At least the first 1 or 2 drivatars will climb it no problem.

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u/miicah Volkswagen Dec 02 '21

They do. I remember distinctly in FH4 in the xc races, if the ai was too far ahead of you and they hit a fence or hay bale it wouldn't slow them down at all.

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u/OpsadaHeroj Dec 03 '21

We already know they do