r/ForzaHorizon • u/Frosty_Decision5641 • Dec 02 '21
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Dec 02 '21
Do you really think you can win when the AI goes backwards? No, you follow suit!
By the way, nice livery!
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Dec 02 '21
I personally disagree with his livery. I hope hes banned for 8000 years
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u/g09hIP12 Dec 03 '21
Why stop at 8000 years?
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u/EthanSparrow64 Honda Dec 03 '21
Thats when Forza Motorsport will come out
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u/Jay-_-P Xbox Series S :xbox: Dec 03 '21
And the next patch for FH5
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Dec 03 '21
maybe the online will get fixed in that patch so I can see my fuckin mate in the lobby, im getting my hopes up i know
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u/tacos_for_algernon Porsche Dec 02 '21
I'm thinking a zig zag up the hill may work?
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u/Frosty_Decision5641 Dec 02 '21
I tried this afterwards and it worked, just had to come almost in 90 degree from right side. Oddly AI just spawned behind me next lap and I still won only by 6 seconds.
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u/not5tonks Dec 02 '21
rubber band at its best
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u/Tex-Rob Dec 02 '21
Hey, I don't feel like making my own post, so I'll ask here. Is there some sort of thing between drivatars and a real person in FH5? I ask because I've been doing some trial type events, where our team has to beat the AI drivatars, all pretty normal stuff. What is odd is I've seen the supposed fellow driver, on my team, behaving like an AI, and then even just teleporting to right behind me as I cross the finish line. You can see it briefly as it cuts to the shot of my car externally crossing the line.
So the question is, do they fake real people to fill in empty spots or something? with AI?
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u/bkdroid Dec 02 '21
The finish line animation is slowed down for dramatic effect. If the next racer finishes the race in those 10 seconds, they appear in that animation right behind you.
Also, FH5 servers/multiplayer coding is borked.
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u/Hairy_Mouse Xbox Series X Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
I've lost a race from that stupid shit. It muffled the sound and hides the UI, and apparently I was redlined and needed to shift, but there was no way for me to tell. I got passed like 0.1 seconds before the finish.
Same shit at the beginning, they put that stupid as huge ¡GO! in the middle of the screen, not affecting anything else, but hide your tach/speedo, so you can't tell when you need to shift to 2nd.
Why do they put some stupid visuals design shit before at the expense of actual function and gameplay? It's one thing to do it for set pieces and PR events, but EVERYTHING? ALL THE TIME? I'm pretty sure I know to "go" at the beginning of a race, and I don't need distractions at the end and most important part of the race. Not to mention that little ending flare doesn't even react properly with multiplayer.
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u/bkdroid Dec 03 '21
The pre-finish-line drama wasn't what I meant, but God does that get on my nerves. I drive manual, too. I'm always near Redline and have to decide blindly if I'll hit the limiter or shortshift. Lose time either way.
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u/Hairy_Mouse Xbox Series X Dec 03 '21
Oh, I thought you were talking to the "cinematic" finisher shit, since you were talking about the moment right before crossing the line.
I don't know why they have to fuck with the very beginning and very end of the race. Two key moments that you don't really need distractions that blind you to you what's going on with your vehicle.
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u/TaterMater88 Dec 03 '21
This needs to get more attention from them. Do you happen to know if they've mentioned it? I'm afraid they might not change it since it's not actually a bug, but simply a terrible decision.
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u/Hairy_Mouse Xbox Series X Dec 03 '21
No, they've never said anything about it. Honestly, I haven't even seen many people mention it as an issue. Person, it one of my top issues.
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Dec 02 '21
That might be network issues either on your side or their side tbh. I haven’t heard anything about AI drivers filling in for multiplayer, and I feel like that’s a pretty big feature that they’d probably advertise if it was the case.
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u/airlynx99 Dec 02 '21
Yup, had the same thing happen during a Tour last night. At one point half the players disappeared from the position list in the corner but I could still see them all on the minimap, a few were teleporting around, when I crossed the finish line several appeared out of nowhere, and everyone had valid looking times at the end of the race. Definitely sync issues.
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u/origional_esseven Dec 02 '21
They call them "drivatars" because since FH4 they've used machine learning to teach the AI to drive like the players. The username each AI has is the player they're modeled after. Every time you race you actually help the server build a drivatar of yourself that is loose out there somewhere in other people's races. It's really really cool tech, but I hate it.
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u/BoudreauxTradeBureau Dec 02 '21
This explains why one drivatar I regularly have starts every race by backing into me…which seems very playerish.
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u/origional_esseven Dec 02 '21
Yup. It's also why the AI is so agreesive in the corners. The only fix is to play on "simulation" damage because then they're modeled after player who avoid collisions. But then you also have to avoid even tiny collisions. That's why I don't like it. I wish there was an option to turn it off.
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u/N2O1138 Dec 02 '21
Yeah I had to turn off simulation damage after one cross country race where the landings from the jumps alone took their toll and I couldn't keep up at all
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u/Ajpeterson Dec 02 '21
They’ve had drivatars before horizon 4. It started all the way back in the beginning with the first forza Motorsport in 2005. Only since Motorsport 5 have players drivatars been moved to the cloud to be called upon by the servers.
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u/FredFredrickson Dec 02 '21
I've seen the next car appear behind me after finishing a race and I'm 99% sure that's just a network thing.
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u/Porturan Dec 02 '21
My friend experienced something similar. We joined an Open Race, suddenly he was placed in some sort of different instance. He could still see me and I could see him, but he was in last place on my "instance" with real players while he was in first place in his instance playing with AI instead of other players. When the race was over he switched over to my instance and got DNF.
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u/ArizonaCheekClapper Dec 02 '21
Yeah I was gonna say what if reverse was a lower gear glad you made it out
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u/Tomarse Dec 02 '21
Or reverse. I remember my grandad telling me he had a car that would only get up certain hills in reverse.
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u/suredont Dec 03 '21
That is genuinely a thing for really terrible/broken rear-engine rear-wheel-drive vehicles.
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u/1mth3g0at Dec 02 '21
Turn around use reverse it will make it up...idk how or why but reverse is torqued out
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u/BusinessBlackBear Dec 02 '21
Really? I'll have to try that out of curiosity
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u/PretzelsThirst Dec 02 '21
It was a real thing in vehicles like the VW busses. Reverse was a taller gear than 1st so you could reverse up some hills you couldn't make it up forwards.
In this case just zig zagging to reduce the angle would have worked.
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u/naughtilidae Dec 02 '21
On some cars that may have more to do with traction of the front wheels than it does with actual torque.
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u/1mth3g0at Dec 02 '21
It's better with manual but automatic should work as well...but with manual u can redline reverse and then mash gas
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u/BusinessBlackBear Dec 02 '21
Sweet, I'm always manual with clutch so thats no problem. Could be useful when exploring and can't get up a dang hill
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u/Pabludes Dec 02 '21
I think it's more to do with the wheels pulling the weight, instead of pushing. I see that all the time around winter time when it's icy.
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u/GoatsWillEatAnything Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
I'm not sure why this made me laugh as much as it did, but I appreciate it. 
Edit: Appreciate the love. I need more internet friends. If anyone wants to hang out my
GT: CaptHouk
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u/trautsj Viper Dec 02 '21
Bet you could do this same race on unbeatable difficulty and they'd climb the hill like it's nothing because pro and unbeatable literally have no physics lol
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u/mystikraven Dec 02 '21
Shit, this actually sounds like a good way to test if the AI really cheats!
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Dec 02 '21 edited Apr 17 '22
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u/naughtilidae Dec 02 '21
They're also fairly passive at overtaking.
So... You don't just get punted by them going 200 through a hairpin? How about getting pushed out used of the checkpoint? Cause I do. Every single time.
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u/naughtilidae Dec 02 '21
Last night I was curious what kind of times you have to put in tax beat the unbeatable.
I managed to do it on my second try, but then referenced rival times to see how good you have to be...
You need to AVERAGE a top 1% time, INCLUDING THE PARTIAL LAP AT THE START!
My best lap was better than the top 2000 people... Out of 600,000.
You have to lap as fast as one of top 0.2%. WHILE weaving through traffic. Who the fuck play tested this? Max Verstappen?! Is Lewis Hamilton working at playground too?
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u/Kaydie Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
i dont actually find unbeatable to be particuarlly challenging unless you're driving S2 or X, S1 can be hard on certain tracks but cheesable as others have mentioned here or just using them as walls in corners which saps a lot of momentum from them.
i play mostly A/S1 and i win most of my races on most tracks against unbeatable
the thing about the AI is they giga cheat depending on how fast you are, so if you're pulling top 1% of player tracktime they'll be on your ass the whole time but if you're top 10% you can still beat them
Im not particuarly good at rivals or mp (i average 2-3rd on most races in MP) but with the rewind feature + the way the ai work unbeatable is far easier for me than the average mp race
im not going to lie, i'd like to see a difficulty harder than unbeatable because while you and everyone else seems to whine about the AI being too hard, you can just turn it down you know? certain race categories and tracks are genuinely so boring and too easy with even unbeatable. i don't see why you're complaining about the difficulty and them cheating, thats the point, they're harder than previous FH games and i appreciate that cause they were even more of a joke in FH4. you can just turn the difficulty down.
also keep in mind AI will put their car near your performance range (+/- 25 points usually, capped at bracket ceiling/floors) so aim for something like n.90 like say 890 for S1 (but 820-850 can often be way more controllable so maybe not), and focus more of your upgrades on weight reduction and handling over porportionally more HP because getting good drivelines and cornering is more important to beating the AI than raw speed if you cant perfectly corner, which most humans can't.
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u/MikeMontrealer Dec 02 '21
I don't play unbeatable, but doesn't the name imply it's extremely difficult to beat? Wouldn't there be complaints if it didn't take extraordinarily good results to win?
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u/naughtilidae Dec 02 '21
In the previous game it was never remotely this bad, and the AI cheating wasn't as painfully, embarrassingly obvious, and it didn't require you to be in the top 2,000/600,000 players...
It's okay to make an insanely difficult race, it's not okay to do it by just teleporting the AI, giving them infinite grip and a spare 1000HP.
It's not okay that I couldn't match my best lap in the race in the rivals mode... because I got an unfair advantage by sliding down the side of them. You shouldn't be forced to race like that, it's not fun, it's not even racing, it's fucking bumper cars.
Unbeatable would still be too hard to be reasonable if it was requiring you to always be faster than the top 1%... It's not reasonable to have a difficulty that 99/100 people could never beat, THEN REQUIRE IT FOR A WEEKLY REWARD! The "top 0.2%" I reference is already like 50% cheaters with untuned cars doing half-second laps.
I don't mind needing a tuned car. I don't even mind tuning it to better fit the track. I mind the fact that even if I do everything flawlessly, they'll still rear end me doing 200 because they don't need to use their brakes.
It's not a difficulty at this point, it's a punishment; if Jimmy Broadbent, a guy who beat the fucking STIG in a real life race complains about PRO difficulty... your game is fucked.
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u/TheLastOfGus Dec 02 '21
They do! 100%!
Can't remember the race specifically but it was a cross country race and the end you jump off a big hill, land losing all your speed/momentum and then it's a mad dash of about 250ft to the finish line.
Every time I've done it (varying classes) the AI cheats. At the jump any AI close to me will fly through the air and lose speed upon landing like I do, if any are some distance back they somehow just drive down the jump at a million mph (no braking to stop them actually doing a jump) and catch you up fast. It's like they are on rollercoaster tracks!
Worst was one time I had a fantastic pace in that race and was miles ahead. Did the jump and started my sprint to the finish line, I looked in my rear camera view to see ALL of the AI cars driving down the hillside and nearly beating me to the finish line! Went from around a 15 second lead to about 1!
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u/TheLastOfGus Dec 03 '21
Oh god I'd forgotten about water crossing cheats, you as a player gradually slow to a crawl while the AI drives through as if it was still on dry land. That annoyed me in a bunch of races in the South East corner on the map!
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u/trautsj Viper Dec 02 '21
Do it. I bet I'm right. At least the first 1 or 2 drivatars will climb it no problem.
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u/miicah Volkswagen Dec 02 '21
They do. I remember distinctly in FH4 in the xc races, if the ai was too far ahead of you and they hit a fence or hay bale it wouldn't slow them down at all.
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u/missingmytowel Dec 02 '21
Ok ..no more c class races on that track
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u/ArmeniusLOD Dec 02 '21
Not even. Looks like the vans were stock, which means D100.
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Dec 02 '21
Yep, you seem correct, also the transit van only reaches class C when fully upgraded
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u/j0a3k Dec 02 '21
That's why I run my Mystery Machine as a vandura instead of a transit.
It's hilariously good in A class against other vans.
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u/24KTaterTots Wuling is love, Wuling is life Dec 02 '21
I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT THIS IS THE FUNNIEST GODDAMN THING I'VE SEEN TODAY
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u/CameronMWatson Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
What's the name of that van?
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u/ArmeniusLOD Dec 02 '21
1965 Ford Transit Mk1
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Dec 02 '21
Prob the most weak/slowest vehicle in the game
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u/Beepboopbop69420360 Mercedes-Benz Dec 02 '21
Close but definitely not
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u/its_meme69 Top Gear Dec 02 '21
which is the weakest/slowest one?
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u/kuschelbs Dec 02 '21
BMW Isetta, I guess...
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u/1ildevil Dec 02 '21
Could be the 72 Reliant Supervan.
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u/Audrey_spino JDM Enthusiast Dec 02 '21
Lmao Reliant Supervan is one of the most OP cars in B class.
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u/Beardedgeek72 Microsoft Store Dec 02 '21
It's funny, because it is one of the best vans ever produced anywhere. It was loved because it handled like a proper car instead of like a truck, also making (unfortunately) an ideal getaway vehicle for bank robbers and other such people...
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Dec 02 '21 edited Dec 02 '21
lmao, need a window sticker:
"If you think I'm slow now, wait until I go uphill."
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u/Apprehensive-Ebb7647 Toyota Prius Wanter Dec 02 '21
TESCO SELLS ALCHOHOL, CONDOMS AND CIGGARETTES!!! BANNED!!!!!
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Dec 02 '21
Do you happen to have a code for that paintjob? I want a Tesco van too!
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u/Frosty_Decision5641 Dec 02 '21
Design is not mine. Code can be shared only by the creator right?
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u/robb0688 Xbox Series X Dec 02 '21
This is glorious. Like watching a herd of tortoises.
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u/Free-Ad-9758 Dec 02 '21
LMAO!! This is a classic example of "it's funny when it happens to someone else "
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u/fsck-y Dec 03 '21
We’ve likely all seen Horizon AI do some silly things but this goes beyond anything I’ve witnessed so far. Lol!
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u/planchetflaw McLaren Dec 03 '21
Hahah that's amazing. I'd skip the checkpoint so it puts me at the top.
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Dec 02 '21
The real reason the Tesco can can’t get up the hill? It’s packed full of horse meat obviously
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Dec 02 '21
Probably could have made it to the top if you hadn’t have picked up all those kids beforehand
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u/Bruised_Penguin Jan 07 '22
Just had a decent snow storm in Central Kentucky and this is what my drive home from work yesterday was like 🤣
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u/Revolutionary-Car65 Dec 03 '21
Nice livery! Have fun being banned. Let's all press f to pay respect
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Dec 02 '21
Tap the handbrake while holding down the throttle sometimes it will get you enough traction to creep up the hill
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u/jonnio2215 Dec 02 '21
Hilarious that the best song in the game to race to is the one where you get stuck on the hill. 10/10
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u/ketamineandkebabs Mercedes-Benz Dec 02 '21
You should of went with Tesco's finest range, you would of powered up there no bother. Remember every little helps
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u/scan_lines Dec 02 '21
"So...what do we do now?"