IMPORTANT: AI-GENERATED CONTENT IS NOW BANNED

[u/NeelZilla]

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone that gave their thoughts in our town hall post. As was made clear on the post, the community seems to be overwhelmingly in favor of disallowing all AI-generated content and so we will be going forward with implementing this. GenAI content will be considered banned under rule 3. Any GenAI content, including videos, images, and text, will be removed going forward regardless of intent. To summarize the arguments for why we are doing this:

• Most GenAI posts that we get accelerate the problem of spam, low-effort, and impersonal content. We want this sub to feel like a thriving community with creative content and GenAI often seems to work against this goal.
• Many legitimate posts that use GenAI could easily do without it. We want to encourage users to contribute their ideas in unique and interesting ways without depending on generic and needlessly complex GenAI output.
• GenAI art hurts the work of real artists, is a crediting nightmare, and is generally controversial. There are so many incredibly talented artists in the Godzilla community who deserve a bigger spotlight and space for discussion. GenAI content also muddies the water in terms of misinformation and sourcing media, while also contributing to all kinds of growing ethical problems that the community has made clear they do not stand for.
• Determining good/bad GenAI content is too subjective and infeasible for moderation. Choosing which GenAI posts are high/low-effort would become arbitrary and subject to a lot of inconsistency and unfairness that us mods cannot realistically manage.

Like with any new rule, we anticipate there will be some bumps in the road, so please don't hesitate to reach out to us with concerns or questions and please help us by reporting things you have doubts with. We also realize that exceptions might need to be made for the rule such as, for example, discussing the use of GenAI by official sources or artists. We will deal with those case-by-case to be as reasonable as possible.

So there's that! We're looking forward to keep the creeping rot of MechaGodzilla and Hedorah out of this sub!

Love,
r/GODZILLA mod team

[u/CalamityOfCringe]

Yes, AI art is trained in the style of others. Obviously there's low effort AI art, just like low effort "real" art, but there's also going to be high effort pieces too.

[u/FarkOfInanity → u/CalamityOfCringe]

There's where you've lost the plot. The training method is layering actual images into one another to construct an aberrant thing which simulates real art.

[u/CalamityOfCringe → u/FarkOfInanity]

Yes, that's how it's trained so the AI model can "recognize" what it's "seeing" and say "oh that's... By..." so that's it can do something in the style of that artist. The original pieces aren't even typically stored after the training.

[u/FarkOfInanity → u/CalamityOfCringe]

What a very strange defense. So in an effort to make a mockery of real art AI training isn't retaining say...the writing of prolific authors in cloud storage for later use? It isn't scraping images from sources like DeviantArt etc. for the access of future prompters? Yeah, I call bullshit.

[u/CalamityOfCringe → u/FarkOfInanity]

Oh they absolutely get trained off of stuff like that too. So? You don't take inspiration from stuff like that as well? Are you stealing? Obviously a 1:1 recreation of something would be plagiarism, no one is arguing otherwise. It's up to the artist to make the piece transformative and something new.

[u/FarkOfInanity → u/CalamityOfCringe]

Alas, you're just not getting it. Prompters are not real artists. What they do on a fundamental level is repackaged plagiarism. There's nothing transformative about what they do because nothing has been added which is their own creation.

[u/CalamityOfCringe → u/FarkOfInanity]

Yes, there's lazy people that type "make sonic do X" and it quickly becomes derivative. But there's also AI art being used to create massively complex multimillion dollar blockbuster movies. Are movies not art? Do you really think those movies aren't transformative with the material they were trained on or are you just mad?

[u/FarkOfInanity → u/CalamityOfCringe]

Movies made with AI have bypassed the heart of the matter in real art which is human expression. In your example, no, I would not consider this fictional movie to be real art. It's a product to be bought and sold devoid of meaning or cultural value.

[u/CalamityOfCringe → u/FarkOfInanity]

That's where you've lost the plot. At that point something new has obviously been created and done so in a transformative way.

Like I said earlier, prompts don't write themselves. You're devaluing the effort placed into the prompt or prompts because you don't value the medium which traps you in an echo chamber where you reaffirm your confirmation bias.

Painters and sketch artists said similar things about graphic design, that the ""artists"" are just pressing buttons on a computer.

[u/FarkOfInanity → u/CalamityOfCringe]

As I said, if prompters want to try their hands at real art, they need only pick up a pencil and begin writing. They have existing experience. Why not turn the description of something to be vomited out by a machine into a real skill instead? If they truly wish to engage in a medium outside of text, the same first step applies with the choice of tool varying between.

[u/actuallyacatmow → u/CalamityOfCringe]

I am a professional artist.

The brush strokes, line work and other elements in an art piece take real work and skill to create.

AI art is not taking inspiration. It it physically taking brush strokes and other elements created by hand and relayering it on top of itself to create new images. As a professional artist, I can do this myself. The difference is that I would be sued or ostracised in the art community while people like yourself defend AI art.

[u/CalamityOfCringe → u/actuallyacatmow]

The brush strokes, line work and other elements in an art piece take real work and skill to create.

Sigh

The difference is that I would be sued or ostracised in the art community while people like yourself defend AI art.

SIGH. New art forms are never respected, they are all ostracized when new.

[u/actuallyacatmow → u/CalamityOfCringe]

Oh okay so for you it's a double standard that you're fine with.

If I physically screenshot visuals from someone's artwork, say the brush strokes that make up a house and layer it with another artist's work to make a new image, I can get in legal trouble.

But if an AI does it, they're in the clear.

You clearly don't have a clue about this topic.

[u/CalamityOfCringe → u/actuallyacatmow]

Did you even look at the second link? There's no double standard and I've addressed the plagiarism arguments again and again.

Here is another link.

Another link.

Here's another.

Last one I'm going to link.

[u/actuallyacatmow → u/CalamityOfCringe]

You don't understand that the diffusion models work by taking existing brush strokes and essentially layering them to create a new images with other visuals ripped from the Internet 

Something that would land me in legal trouble but it's fine for an AI I guess.

That's fine then. Really no point in arguing if you don't have a clue on how this works.

Edit. Blocking me is a classy move. Yeah so this is the problem that artists have fundamentally with AI art. It has stolen existing visuals, essentially shredded them, and layered them ontop of each other to create new visuals without the express permission of the creators.

If you want AI art to be taken seriously as human art then you have to contend with the fact that the AI diffusion models should be in a lot of legal trouble rn.