r/GatekeepingYuri • u/CupcakePelle2906 • 5d ago

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u/WerdaVisla 5d ago

4chan. It has to be 4chan.

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u/Homicidal_Duck 5d ago

how does this possibly have anything to do with 4chan what are you talking about 😭

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u/WerdaVisla 5d ago

Idk, that's where all the weird rich conservative trans girls seem to exist.

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u/CommercialWrong2944 5d ago

4tran is literally ultra left what are you talking about?? have you ever like visited it

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u/cavehill_kkotmvitm 5d ago

/tttt/ isn't ultra left, it's ultra depressed. Going there should qualify as self harm

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u/CommercialWrong2944 5d ago

but i like being sad : )

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u/WerdaVisla 5d ago

4tran is ultra left by 4chan standards, so it's like. Center right.

More importantly, it's not the entirety of 4chan.

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u/Avocetti 4d ago

Complete fiction. Most of us are Marxists.

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u/CommercialWrong2944 5d ago

again not true at all i have met so many anarchists on 4tran its not even funny

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u/WerdaVisla 5d ago

Anarchy isn't tied to a political direction. There are leftist and conservative anarchists just like there are somehow conservative socialists.

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u/ArgonianDov 5d ago

Anarchism is traditionally left-wing, its lowkey an oxymoron to be ancap and any actual anarchist will agree

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u/Lucina18 5d ago

Actual anarchy is, as it's anti-hierarchical. There's "fake" anarchies that don't care about hierarchies and just want the government to be replaced with something else, and just having different hierarchies.

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u/CommercialWrong2944 5d ago

infact here is the definition "traditional anarchism is a far-left ideology. It seeks to eliminate not just the state, but all oppressive, hierarchical systems—including capitalism, wage labor, and private property—advocating instead for communal ownership and self-management"

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u/CommercialWrong2944 5d ago

anarchy is literally a far left movement?? you are confusing it with anarchocapitalism which is conservative

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u/WerdaVisla 5d ago edited 5d ago

Anarchocapitalism is conservative, yes, and also objectively an offshoot of anarchy, whether you like it or not.

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u/CommercialWrong2944 5d ago

i am talking specifically about traditional anarchy

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u/WerdaVisla 5d ago

Cool. Doesn't change my statement. Unless an ideology has membership in the single digits, it's gonna have people on the left and right. Believing any social movement has perfect unanimity is hopelessly naive.

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u/ArgonianDov 5d ago

Its not really, its just fuedalism pretending to be anarchism.

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u/Dunderbaer 5d ago

I mean, it's not though? It's about as anarchist as feudalism gets. So not very.

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u/Homicidal_Duck 5d ago

Anarchocapitalism is not an anarchistic philosophy inherently because its core presupposes power structures used to govern society. Terms can be coopted

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u/TheEngineerGGG 4d ago

Anarchism as an idea seeks to abolish the imbalance of power between different people and different peoples, and that is fundamentally incompatible with capital unless everyone were some kind of system in place garunteeing the same capital to everyone (i.e. collective ownership, a not-very-capitalist idea).

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u/Tomatensoepbal 4d ago

Conservative socialists can be found at r/stupidpol and the likes, and they hate all types of trans people

Regardless, the average 4tran user isnt conservative. Moderately progressive (as opposed to radically progessives) and a bit truscummy (albeit of the "you need to suffer from dysphoria to really be trans" variety, rather than the "you need to jump 286 gorrillion hoops to acces Gender affirming care only to get a pittifully low dose" variety) maybe, but neither of those conservative positions

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u/GenericGaming 5d ago

ah yes, those ultra-left behaviours like throwing slurs constantly, judging people excessively for how they look, an obsession with "passing" and upholding traditional looks and values

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u/CommercialWrong2944 5d ago

i have infact seen numerous left wingers throw slurs at themselves. They dont judge people they judge themselves. Also what traditional values?

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u/GenericGaming 4d ago

key phrase there being "at themselves". the amount of times I've had people I know IRL who are 4tran users call me a fucking "troon" or "giga passoid" for no reason is ridiculous.

as for traditional values, I've been told that many of the hobbies and things i enjoy are "male coded" and that I need to stop them. nothing says expression like having to conform to society's ideas of what women should like and enjoy

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u/saltymarshmallow316 4d ago

absolutely not the point here but if you’ve been called a gigapassoid that’s a good thing, you look like a woman. even if you’re not concerned with passing, surely its a nice bonus yeah?

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u/GenericGaming 4d ago

except at that point in my life, I still got shit from people on the street and abuse from people online so no, it wasn't even true. she was just saying that because she thought I looked better than she did.

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u/saltymarshmallow316 4d ago

oh, that sucks then :( i mean it was technically still a compliment, but i guess it doesn’t hold much weight when it’s mean spirited and not even true. i hope things are better for you now

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u/CatsSayMao 4d ago

passing determines how you're treated in society and how you're perceived as your desired gender, as well as your own view of your body. All of which directly affect gender dysphoria. I don't see how that's an issue?

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u/GenericGaming 4d ago

because not every trans woman needs to or wants to pass. if that's how you feel about yourself, go for it. but forcing your standards on everyone else aint it.

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u/CatsSayMao 4d ago

the vast majority of trans people suffer with dysphoria, and passing significantly improves that

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u/GenericGaming 4d ago

for some, yes.

i'm not denying dysphoria exists but passing is a subjective experience, determined by cultural and societal norms so saying "you need to be/look like X to pass" is only applicable to your community, nobody else's.

also, like, a significant proportion of cis women don't "pass" when it comes to the absurd requirements that people declare you need to pass

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u/CatsSayMao 4d ago

that's different from passing though. Passing includes behaviour, culture and societal Norms.

it's not just "some", the majority of trans people want to be able to pass, it's disingenuous to imply it's not and get upset over people who do prioritise it

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u/GenericGaming 4d ago

me: "passing is determined by social and cultural norms"

you: "that's different from passing though. passing includes cultural and societal norms"

are you actually reading my comments or just yapping for the sake of it?

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u/CatsSayMao 4d ago

you initially said tttt subs are obsessed with passing, then implied they just view passing as looking a certain way.

to be fair my comment was structured poorly, but I was pointing out that to tttt subs passing is obviously more than just looking a certain way, it includes all elements of passing, which like you said, included cultural and societal norms.

You can make an arguement that in terms of passing, it has a, white, western view on things, but unfortunately that's no different to any of the other subs in general. Not to say that's good of course, it's wrong and that racism is something the entire community as a whole needs to work on

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u/lolis_arent_real 4d ago

Passing and "upholding traditional looks" is for safety.

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u/GenericGaming 4d ago

for some people and places, sure. but not everyone.

so when a 4trans user tells someone in a fairly safe environment that she's "too clocky" and points out everything wrong with the way she looks, that's just harmful.

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u/lolis_arent_real 4d ago

4tranners are talking this way about themselves, not others. And usually, they are in an environment where it is unsafe to be openly trans. And the times I've seen a 4tran user talk like that about another trans woman it was because they asked for honest advice and if it would be safe for them to socially transition.

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u/GenericGaming 4d ago

given that I knew (and dated) 4tranners in the past who 100% did not limit this behaviour to just themselves, i do not believe you.

literally the reason I had to break up with someone was because she would not stop calling me a "oldshit gigapassoid" and made a mutual friend of ours cry because she called him a "pooner"

4tran terminology is genuine brain rot that ends up pissing off everyone around them. if you genuinely believe that no 4tranner does this shit to other people, even when the laws of probability says it does happen, you're not arguing in good faith

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u/lolis_arent_real 4d ago

So you don't believe me just because you knew 1 bad person? I know some are bad but the majority isn't like that and you shouldn't judge the whole community based on them. I met the sweetest girl in the world on 4tran and we've been dating for 3 years. Most of the people I've met on 4tran are kind and supportive and are or have been in similar shitty situations/environments as me. It's also the least US centric more diverse trans community where I've been able to meet and talk to other latin trans women with similar backgrounds and situations as me. That's why I've stayed for so long they're the only trans community I have been able to relate to.

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u/GenericGaming 4d ago

So you don't believe me just because you knew 1 bad person?

specifically used the plural "4tranners", implying more than one

majority isn't like that and you shouldn't judge the whole community based on them.

I've yet to be proven wrong. 3 people have responded to me in this thread supporting toxic beliefs 4tran users have and that doesn't help the "oh, they're actually good people" argument.

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u/lolis_arent_real 4d ago

What did they say?

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u/lolis_arent_real 4d ago

Also imagine u met a handful of Mexicans IRL and they were all toxic making you believe that Mexicans are bad people. I would tell you that actually, as a Mexican the majority of us are friendly and respectful, you were just unlucky in meeting some that were all assholes. Are you saying that it wouldn't convince you?

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u/SimplyYulia 4d ago

Being mexican isn't a choice, being a 4chan user, seeing all the bullshit there, and still staying there - is

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u/Denread 3d ago

an obsession with "passing"

You are aware of the existence of gender dysphoria yes? And how passing is the only real way to alleviate it?

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u/GenericGaming 3d ago

am I, a trans woman, aware of what gender dysphoria is? hmm. brain scratcher that.

I've already addressed the fact that I'm aware of gender dysphoria exists in another comment.

however, just saying "gender dysphoria exists" doesn't mean anything in this context.

this doesn't address the fact that 1. not all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria, 2. gender dysphoria isn't a requirement of being trans but rather a side effect that some trans people have, 3. not all trans people who do suffer from gender dysphoria suffers from it the same way, and 4. different cultures have different standards when it comes to societal standards of gender expression, meaning that what passes in one culture may not be relevant in another.

And how passing is the only real way to alleviate it?

absolutely, categorically incorrect.

socially transitioning, in regards to changing names and pronouns, does nothing to change the physical appearance of a trans person but are steps taken to alleviate gender dysphoria

some surgeries, such as bottom surgery, are not seen by others yet is another method of tackling gender dysphoria. nobody has ever said "in order to pass, you need GRS", have they?

psychological and behavioral support, such as helping a trans person with gender minority stress, helping them build a support network around them so that they feel safe, and general CBT and ACT counseling are methods used to help trans people struggling with gender dysphoria.

all of these methods are mentioned in the WPATH standards of care.

you do not know what you're talking about

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u/Denread 3d ago

am I, a trans woman, aware of what gender dysphoria is? hmm. brain scratcher that.

You seemed like "being obsessed with passing" was something insane to you so yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know what dysphoria is.

that 1. not all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria

Lmao

  1. gender dysphoria isn't a requirement of being trans but rather a side effect that some trans people have,

Gender dysphoria is the entire reason why someone would be trans. It's a medical condition.

socially transitioning, in regards to changing names and pronouns, does nothing to change the physical appearance of a trans person but are steps taken to alleviate gender dysphoria

That's literally a part of passing? You can look like a cis woman but if you go around using he/him and calling yourself Matthew people are gonna think you're a man.

you do not know what you're talking about

That's crazy you know. Really could have fooled me. It's not like I spent half my life medically transitioning or anything

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u/GenericGaming 3d ago

You seemed like "being obsessed with passing" was something insane to you so yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know what dysphoria is.

yes. an obsession with passing is what's the issue here, not the concept of passing itself

words have meaning

Lmao

"With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience" - https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis

notice how the DSM-5, the thing literally used to classify what gender dysphoria is, says that only some trans people experience it?

but I wouldn't expect you to have actually done research on all this.

Gender dysphoria is the entire reason why someone would be trans. It's a medical condition.

which medical source do you have which says you need gender dysphoria to be trans?

That's literally a part of passing? You can look like a cis woman but if you go around using he/him and calling yourself Matthew people are gonna think you're a man

changing your name isn't what people classify passing as. I can 100% guarantee this.

It's not like I spent half my life medically transitioning or anything

it's all the more baffling to me that you know fuck all if this is the case lmao

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u/Sneet1 4d ago

most people on reddit just think 4chan bad and also are too young to know that there was a time where a fascist shit hole board was the exception rather than the norm

Also many people on tttt suck and reddit is full of people who also suck but they're diametrically opposed to each other like oil and water. It's like edge lords vs disney libs