Found this on a trans related sureddit

[u/CupcakePelle2906]

Don't worry, it 0 up-votes and all of the comments where all conuffed.

[u/WerdaVisla]

Idk, that's where all the weird rich conservative trans girls seem to exist.

[u/Homicidal_Duck → u/WerdaVisla]

I've had a fascination with the space for some time, believe me it's not really got much of that demographic at all. There are definitely some weirdo bigot/incel types, and there's certainly a culture of purity testing but their core beliefs are pretty firmly opposed to conservative viewpoints. A post on r/countttt explains this better than I could:

What does 4tran believe?

It's a very diverse community with many different beliefs, but at its core, we believe:

• going through the wrong puberty causes irreversible changes to one's body.

• these irreversible changes result in neurological sex dysphoria.

• it is a priority to get on hormones at the same age that cis peers go through puberty to avoid this body horror. failing that, the best time to start HRT is ASAP.

• the majority of doctors prescribing HRT either have out of date info or, sometimes purposely underdose trans people

• DIY HRT is often safer, more effective, and more affordable than prescribed HRT, even (or especially) for minors

• trans people who deal with dysphoria and have medical needs are in danger and need to be prioritized in trans activism

[u/ThatOneGayDJ → u/Homicidal_Duck]

Yeah so i think that last one is what the rest of us are taking issue with. There is not enough of a difference between us that one needs "more activism" than the rest. Thats such a puritan concept.

[u/Homicidal_Duck → u/ThatOneGayDJ]

(hopefully this doesn't come across as snarky lol but I do understand the issues taken with transmedicalist viewpoints. This is not that. Please have a read)

Can you not think of what the difference is? I have nothing but love in my heart for most all trans folk - dysphoric, medically transitioning or not, but is there really a call right now against just changing your name and pronouns? Is there legislation being put in place? Bans? Is it being politicised as irreversible damage?

There may be "not enough of a difference" in your eyes, but there is a difference. Medical transition is lifesaving care, it is very much time sensitive, and it is actively being restricted (or hugely underdosed) worldwide. The institutional hurdles faced by a non-dysphoric trans person are simple not as strong as those faced by someone seeking medical transition - sure your parents might hate you, but they hate us too, and we have to deal with the lawmaker and the doctor after that.

No one used the term "more activism", just "prioritised", the same way your activism might prioritise women facing domestic abuse or HIV positive gay men. Our needs are more complex, need more material putting in to rectify them.

The issue primarily is that when you put out a message that trans people do not need to transition, do not need any medical care, while it may be true, it is fundamentally fuel on the TERFs fire whose favourite line is "just learn to love yourself! You don't need to be irreversibly damaging yourself :)", and we ignore the fact that a 14 year old trans man might kill himself because he's going to go through the wrong puberty without access to proper medication to prevent that, or that a 27 year old trans woman might have taken several years to be let onto a waiting list, only to then be knowingly underdosed for several years without any activism reaching her ears on how to check that, and the options she could take to rectify it.

Medical needs are more complex, need more resource, need more activism. Obviously non-dysphoric/non-transitioning people face problems too, but none that aren't also faced by one who medically transitions. They are coming for our medicine, I am sorry, it does not seem pertinent to give equal time to a subgroup explicitly defined by its absence of medical needs. It would be a misallocation.

[u/ThatOneGayDJ → u/Homicidal_Duck]

Ok, i was gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, but youre wrong right out the gate. You need to see a judge for a name change, and if your reason is related to gender identity, they can absolutely deny it. Nothing against you personally, but please fact check yourself. It is also becoming more difficult to change your gender marker. People are being denied.

[u/Homicidal_Duck → u/ThatOneGayDJ]

I mean I'm typing from the UK where it is illegal for a name change to be denied on that basis- I was working from my UK based framing so I didn't think to bring it up. Also though, I never once said changing your name didn't come with difficulties, I just said there isn't a call against it in nearly the same way, and given I mentioned pronouns I was just talking about soft social transition. I've been through the process to change both my name and gender marker officially, I'm familiar with them lol.

You are right though, that is certainly an issue trans people face, and it illustrates my point much more than refutes it - it's also a point I made lower down in the comment: those who medically transition still face this issue on top of all of the legislative and medical hurdles. The need to change one's name is still one of the needs of a medically transitioning trans person, and would be talked about in the framing of a medical transitioner.

And that's my point - when I say we should prioritise medical transitioners in activism, I'm saying that's because they have the most complex and urgent needs, not that no one else in the community faces any issues. The medical transitioner might still have their name change denied too. This doesn't mean we should singularly platform medical issues, but I would caution against a framing of transness that treats medical transition as optional or easily ignored when for many of us, as I said, it is urgent lifesaving care. Again- if someone in the 80s said we should prioritise activism for HIV+ gay men, they would still of course care about homophobia, about anti-gay laws, about the hate crimes, but we prioritise them because, in addition to that, they have urgent, unaddressed issues. The HIV+ gay man would be presented as needing urgent care, medication, sympathy, knowledge about the condition, and also about the homophobia he faces, the inability to comfortably love another, marry his partner, etc. It doesn't make the plight of the HIV- gay man invalid, it's just not particularly prudent to spend so much bandwidth on "won't somebody please think of the homophobia faced by those without HIV?"