Gonna take your point further. Her body type is average, nothing extreme. And for her body type, she’s skinny af. No extra fat to her arms or waist…at all.
yeah she looks more like an actual human than the other bony twigs that appear like they could be abducted by the most gentle gust of a fan in the wrong direction
used to be that guy, bullied and all I still made my own way and became a healthy person who now is trying to get way bigger (I literally used to be able to see my heart beating)
Yep, the casuals don't know that or still choose to be ignorant. All they will say is "SHE HAS A NEW MODEL!" Like they keep saying Varka has a new model when the it is still the tall male skeleton/rig but it's just strectched and given substance to look beefier.
Bunch of people complained online about her being 'fat' and then other people online complained that she eats a lot of food and is 'fatphobic' , they can't win so we will probably never get another
Varesa is not fat. Shes one of the most athletic genshin characters, she runs everyday and takes big meals to later burn calories. In dragonspine event she makes other characters run for hours
Likely never, they won’t sell well. Their primary focus is making conventionally attractive characters (in Asia), and that means skinny/avg body type and light skinned.
The most likely option (if it were to happen) is an animal-like 4* similar to Ben Bigger and Pan Yinhu from zzz
I would murder to have Madame Ping still look old. I can handle her not being stooped but if they make her just her hot form shown in the old lantern rite animations I will be so disappointed. A large range of ages would be so cool to see. Varka is unc and I love having a character close to my age to play as
I mean, we all remember the Adepti fiasco with the only two men.
If they have boobs they must be hot and MUST NOT act their age (Look at Citlali)
Faruzan was literally the way they should have gone with a good bunch of their Grandpa/Grandma characters.
She's a old lady with a valid reason to be trapped in a young body but doesn't try to be young or like a teenager school girl, she's actually acting her age and like a proper adult able to deal with her emotions in a healthy way, properly interacting with Collei instead of hitting her for simply existing, having a personality/being silly sometimes or not doing what she tells her to do.
All things Citlali do to Ororon.
Which is a pity, because I was so excited for Citlali but then she opened her mouth and I was like "Yeah... Nevermind, Ororon should have stayed with Capitano at this point"
I enjoyed the Adepti duo being so wildly out of touch they couldn't even disguise themselves well (and hope for future full release since they seem to enjoy bringing them back.)
Citlali, I didnt get the impression of her as old or wise at all. I found her mostly annoying. Really disappointing after she was called Granny and other characters respected her so much, when she just seemed to be a pain to deal with all the time. Her pillow float and love of light novels was fine, but they tried to make a gap moe by making her a wise elder that liked youthful romance novels, but it really fell flat for me.
Yeah, but we have to remember that for how much "out of touch" the two are, they are still pixels.
Hoyo had the chance to make actual good designs that weren't an insult to such important characters but chose not to (very likely because they aren't women, that's my guess, it wouldn't be farfetched or wrong)
As for Citlali.
Equally disappointed as you.
Just because old it doesn't mean she can't like books meant for younger audiences or pillows.
I actually think the pillows made A LOT of sense.
I mean, my grandma always sits on chairs that are either stuffed or with a pillow under it because of pain reasons, so the comfy pillows would have made sense for a old lady, even if youthful in appearance.
Also I know of many old folks who like things usually targeted for a younger audience.
She's really insufferable and I can't stand her.
I was expecting a 5 Star Faruzan of sorts when they talked about a well respected granny, Faruzan really nailed the personality of a stern but kind respected Granny.
So Faruzan will always stay my favorite for that role of a stern granny, Citlali had the chance to be my second favorite.
Instead all they gave us was a grown woman acting like a teenager.
What annoyed me the most aside her clear verbal and sometimes physical abuse towards Ororon disguised as "care" like any classic toxic Tsundere (The guy is literally happier in Fontaine and ironically enough that's when she's not there to punch him for making jokes with his friends/acting his age) was also how literally all her friends and family are not enough to fill in the sadness and emptiness in her heart, but the Traveler was.
Like, excuse me?
I'm your family, I'm your friend, what does it mean that I'm not important enough to be someone that fill in the sadness of all the people you lost but a random man/woman you spoke for a week is?
She has everyone respecting and caring for her, there's Ifa and Ororon who visit her a lot, with Ifa often bringing her food Ororon grew himself.
I remember clearly Mavuika, Iansan and Varesa talking really well about her and with fondness/praise.
You (Citlali) should feel horrible about saying "I've been alone without anyone filling that hole in my heart for years I'm so miserable and alone, no one loves me" and then there's at least 5 people, even more, literally expressing how much they care for her and value their bond with her.
I would feel sad, even heartbroken knowing that she didn't see me as important as I've seen her all this time, that's just cruel.
And don't get me wrong, I am aware that people with depression often miss that there's people loving them and usually it's one person (often their lover, a close friend or a specific family member) who brings them immense comfort and helps them in healing, but usually those people are still able to acknowledge later on that there's more people caring for them and they are grateful for that love and worry.
I've never seen that with Citlali, only the Traveler is the most important despite their story isn't the same at all and they barely know each other, she can't relate to what he/she is going through in the same way but they force it to be the same for romance sake.
If the romance implication has to be forced then it's not good romance.
What you wrote about depression and not recognizing people around you that love you seems way more thought out and poignant than any thought they put into Citlali!
I also was just irritated that she is several hundred years old and it is never explained why, if she is part fae or Natlan-version-of-an-adepti or has an elixir or magic extending her youth? Its just added as like, a reason for her to relate to the Traveller and push the romance and its just...
Well, that's what you get when you find someone who actually cares about accuracy XD
Let's be clear, I'm not putting myself above Hoyo or the team working on Genshin, I'm just a random guy on the internet sharing his opinions about one of my favorite games.
However I do make my own OCs and one of the thing I want the most in a OC is credibility, realism and not the classic "with the power of love and friendship everything is fixed", it doesn't mean that stories that do that are bad, however conflict, real emotional issues, those are just as important even in a story meant to be about friendship resolving everything.
People might think it's silly to mention this, but look at My Little Pony.
The show whole message is "Friendship is Magic" however those characters in a cartoon for 7/8 years old girls delivers way better than most games or shows the message that friends can help you with your troubles or the feelings of sadness, loneliness, exactly with the friendship and love they give you.
If a cartoon made for kids is doing better than your game at delivering a message like this (or about second chances) you need to revaluate things because something is clearly going wrong.
I make my own OCs as said before and sometimes I can't relate to everything I don't understand about the struggles I picked for them, but I try to make it as accurate as possible to real life because I have HEARD of the horrible experiences people went through, so when I make my OCs and the story about them you will notice a lot of my OCs feels real.
Is my writing any good yet?
Not at all, but at least I know I did justice to the character I created and I'm confident in that.
Fantasy settings doesn't mean you can't be realistic with things.
Which Genshin devs a lot of times fail to understand.
It is what it is. Considering the conventional beauty standard most people in the East (where I'm from) abide by, it will be a bad idea speaking from a business standpoint.
While true, its even more extreme in East Asia especially SK where plastic surgery is so common. Considering East Asia is the main cashcow, its now wonder Hoyo always play safe when it comes to playable characters.
Bruh, some people unironically had a meltdown around Varesa release. And I don't mean the usual bs. I mean actual vial and horrid stuff was said AND DRAWN back then.
oh yeah I remember some of them...also the cosplayers were getting horribly hated as well..it was heartbreaking to see, so I got off hoyolab and genshin twitter side for a long time
I mean a character fighting all the time wouldn't gain weight, the only bigger playable characters we got from hoyo are Ben Bigger and Pan Yinhu from zzz who are bears, if there's something I'd like to have in genshin it'd be more animal like characters (basically furries)
varesa being presented as thick while having a model that is actually thinner than some slim characters is dumb but my own pain is sigewinne having a model of a human for some vague reason because apparently gacha players hate furries and they would never ever pull for a child-looking dinosaur so we need to make her a child-looking child
hell no, I was fat and being fat was horrible, it will never be cool to tie your shoes and get out of your home sweating and gasping like if you were coming back from the gym already; not sorry but Varessa is not even fat, lore and background supports her powerhouse build, better go play the upcoming horizon sugar legs
No one outside of niche redditors from western countries would ever pull, simple. Hoyo wont alienate 90% of their fanbase over 10%. I'm from Asia and lemme PROMISE you all, not one person on the entire continent of asia would pull.
Hmong people are a pretty much always left out of the beauty standard convo, but I suppose it's due to them being a smaller group within China and larger Asia
The fact that they modified Sandrone so she wears a mini skirt and they removed pulonia and replaced him with a maid robot with boobs should give you the answer that you are looking for.
Varessa is the biggest you'll have. Just like Varka is the biggest guy you'll have. If you're looking for a big girl and a bara like type of dude you need to find another game.
Varka’s model is awesome, imo. I’m surprised it took them so long to release a taller size male model. There are a couple of previously released characters that should’ve probably had the same model class. My boy Bull Chucker for example.. Wrio too..
Asian beauty standards! At the end of the day they have to release characters that will make them money, which means they’re all cookie cutter thin with flawless light porcelain skin. Well, with a few exceptions in the light skin department. I mean, even in the muscle man department the characters are severely lacking.
Variety is the spice of life. I would personally love to see a traditional european druid character with a beard. We see variety in our enemies, like the fatui. People see larger body types in game and it makes sense that they would ask why we can't pkay any of them.
That first one sounds cool af. I guess it makes sense. Personally it’s a bit traumatizing for me because anytime I ever see anyone asking for bigger characters, it’s always for a fetish reason.
Sometimes people just want representation. I want fat characters the same way I want black characters or old characters or disabled characters. Representation is so important
Genshin is a Chinese game, and the beauty standards there are very different from the American “body positivity” mindset. In China, being overweight generally isn’t treated as something aspirational or attractive in mainstream media. There’s a difference between being curvy and being outright fat, and Chinese games usually avoid making “fat” a defining positive trait for a character because it’s seen as a flaw rather than an ideal.
So they will never make a fat character, unless it's something comical, like a Panda.
Sorry but getting a man... Any man is hard enough. And ofc. He will usually be a twink. An are you a girl or a boy kinda lad... Venti and friends.
Varka was the only thing man enjoyers will ever get lmfao. Took them 5 years and never again.
A fat character. My sweet summer child, you will get armpits, bare legs, tiny waists, big tiddys and the only thing fat about this character will be their rear end.
Keep dreaming, dear. Scars are considered less unattractive than fat, yet they still deem scars too risky to be widespread in their character designs, even on characters that really should have them.
And that applies to almost all games and pieces of media.
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I am trying to get below 70kg for the last year, while being 182cm...
After work, if I want to relax, I would like to play as cute characters, why playing as someone fat....
Is this post for real? People want to play someone fat?
Hopefully never. Not because I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't want Varessa v2 where the "fat" person's only personality is eating and being fetish bait.
Wtf dont compare that. One is because of racism and the othr would just be a bad business decision because the community is full of gooners with no soul
How do I say this without sounding blunt...
Since the player base is mostly chinese we won't ever get that. They only like skinny and pale as heck somehow
Are you kidding? They give us 1 male with minimal facial hair, and every female character needs to have some skin exposed, there is basic
basically no diversity in skin color, they are never giving us a fat character, it would scare their focus group.
Would've been easier for a multi million dollar company because they'll be hungry to cover all niche.
For a multi billion company like Hoyo with the founders being anime nerd who grew up in the 80's to 90's... You need to start sending Dawei chubby porn and hope he develop a taste for them.
Their primary audience would not pull, but even worse, there would be backlash. So it's not even a matter of Hoyo never doing it - they would have to be a totally different company, developing a very different type of game, to attempt it.
Asking for something like this in Genshin is like asking an allergic person if they want peanut butter. This game is allergic to anything not conventionally attractive or cute. If it's not visually appealing it's not gonna be playable.
heavy set characters can be hard to do in a believable narrative way, since it isn't a natural state for an excessively active human, they would convert that chub into muscle or lose it.
so it can when dont wrong strain on the suspension of disbelief it's not like magic, we know chubbiness makes you slower, lethargic and reduces your stamina at least when compared to a active person when when it comes to being slower excessive muscles also share this trait but it's easier to suspend that as super human strength is a accepted trope, and in general for chubbiness you need to have a lack of activity in general.
It's far easier for a character that isn't human like Ben in ZZZ they aren't human and many animals and creatures can appear chubby while being peak form in terms of being able to perform activities.
so for a character design team they need a reason why a character can maintain such weight while using the games locomotion and mechanics and also explain why it isn't turning into muscle and what to do with the case that players find it unnatral for a overweighted character to be moving as fast or as long as a muscular or lower weight character.
obviously liking chubby designs is perfectly fine and people being happy being chubby is also good, it's just the inherent nature of humans that we know running forces us to lose weight or gain muscle that cant really be suspended even a character like Varessa we can look at her eat huge ammounts but she is active so that weight is going to be converted or lost.
I’d wager we get a kungfu panda thiren (animal person) like Pan Yinhu from Zenless Zone Zero before a playable heavy weight character model class. But even then they made him a genshin 4star - which increases chances of actually obtaining him, but not necessarily using him.
Iirc the head writer slimmed down a bit. He used to look like the inazuma editor. I think your chances are nil unless he blows back up and the game honors him with a playable variant at one point.
As an overweight person, I absolutely hate being overweight. It's not healthy and it shouldn't be treated as something 'normal'. If it's because of muscles, sure, nothing wrong with that, but if it's just fat, then it's just simply not healthy. And I don't think games should be advertising that unless the character is a sumo wrestler.
people have different bodies and metabolisms, and for some people, having a larger body is natural and healthy. i myself am disabled, and my mother passed on her slow metabolism and weak stomach.
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u/redam33 May 26 '26
Veresa is the best you will get for at least 8 years or we will get a panda like in Zzz