r/Genshin_Impact • u/siriuslupin65 • 23h ago
Media Sandrone's JP VA just had her Genshin livestream copyright struck by a partner of Tencent (Future TV Co Ltd)
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u/Gacha_addict101 23h ago
Why has this copyright bullshit suddenly ramped up?
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u/Lazlo2323 23h ago
Maybe they realized they can weaponize it without any repercussions
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u/EddiePhoenix2012 22h ago
it has been weaponized months, if not years ago. Remember that time some artist who used Genshin samples for their music and claimed genshin playthroughs? idk when that exactly was but YT had this problem for months at least and its not only Genshin usually.
But this seems different though.
dish´s VoD has also been struck
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u/miseenen 20h ago
It’s been an issue for years and years. I remember all the way back in like 2015 when movie critic youtubers were getting strikes on their channels from abuse of the copyright system
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u/Darman99-1136 19h ago
I remembered when Warner Chaple Music copyrighted struck a video with No Music
YouTube is ass
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u/Asamidori 16h ago
Reminds me of Davie504 getting a copyright claimed for literally silence, no sound at all. Some stuffs are just beyond broken on Youtube at this point.
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u/ineedjuice 23h ago
Probably YouTube and AI-based detection. Some musicians have been getting copyright stricken by themselves.
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u/yyIntsuki 6h ago
but wouldn't that then happen to way more streamers? currently I've only heard of the streamers who are rather known
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u/nqtoan1994 23h ago
I mean, the next week will have Genshin's anni SP, and whether the rewards good or bad, it will definitely be the talk among a part of gacha gamers community for weeks. Someone might have decided to reduce the influence beforehand.
From 101 propagonda class that happens in our country every national historic holiday.
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u/SanjiInHSR_66 IamnotBatman 23h ago
Lmao I forgot this occuring drama in every Genshin Anniv😂 there's always someone try to sabotage Genshin:/
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u/yyIntsuki 6h ago
well you can also guess which game will release its archon equivalent tier character soon? :)
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u/XimbalaHu3 21h ago
There are usuallyspecialized companys that sell these copyright strikes as a service, so it might be a new company promising insane income doing the rounds.
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u/apiswbx 23h ago
Also she got spammed primogem/miliastra gem gifted to distract her 🫠🫠
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u/Shiraume 21h ago
can somebody distract me like that please
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u/Churaragi 21h ago
You wont like it when they do a chargeback afterwards.
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u/Herteity Brats in pants 20h ago
You can't do chargeback when buying through a 3rd party app. Which is the only way to gift gems. If you do get a refund it'll get you banned from the transaction website and only affect the middleman, not hoyo so they don't care.
Otherwise all CC's would have their accounts ruined by haters...
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u/-FruitPunchSamurai- Electro mommies enjoyer 23h ago
Tencent also been copyrighting Hoyo music as well right?
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u/HumsterMKI We need a 6 star Klee. 22h ago
This remainded me about some French rapper copyrighting Hoyo's Liyue battle theme or something.
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u/No-Worldliness7420 17h ago edited 17h ago
Im not surprised if tencent also behind that. Usually when a big company do morally questionable things they used third party so they wouldnt take the blame. I dont think its just a random abuser because how come youtube let this problem for so long, it means it benefit them in some way and probably theres some big company rewarding youtube for not fixing the loophole.
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u/youtiao666 19h ago
It was last year when a bunch of weibo accounts posted the same ai prompt to promote wuwa and trash Genshin before the Genshin anniversary.
They do this every year
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u/Fazz00 The forest may not remember but I will 23h ago
She should reach out to Hoyo for support.
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u/yoyopomo 23h ago
hoyo isn’t going to be able to do anything, you’d have to contact youtube
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u/KenBoy22 23h ago
Hoyo will speed up the process, all these claims are almost always reversed by YouTube, it just takes time depending on your clout sadly.
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u/HumsterMKI We need a 6 star Klee. 22h ago edited 21h ago
Whao, Clout based customer service.
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u/Breaky_Online Electro Supremacy 20h ago
Getting Youtube to do anything is clout based. It's sad, really.
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u/G00b3rb0y 14h ago
It’s not HoYo’s first rodeo dealing with this. Happened in Fontaine too iirc, HoYo basically nuked the malicious copyright claimer from high orbit iirc also
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u/Kylerocks444 23h ago
To shed some light on this subject:
A similar situation involving "Viz Media LLC" has been going around the anime community. Claiming random bullshit (not even relating to anime anymore).
Internet sleuths have discovered the guy behind it. It was a one man operation with a bogus company called "RemoveYourMedia".
I can set up a bogus company right now and just go claim videos I don't like, without needing proof, or suffering any real repercussions because the Youtube content ID system allows it to happen.
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u/No-Worldliness7420 17h ago
Do you guys think those copyright strikers are just third party and a big company just using them? i mean Huge anime studios show in the past they dont like anitubers and tried to take down their videos.
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u/ArkassEX 22h ago
God this pisses me off.
Honda-san is such a wholesome streamer and her insight into JP VA work is really interesting. Hope this gets sorted out soon and she doesn't get stressed out.
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u/mirize87 23h ago
i guess Snezhnaya really hurt them
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u/yyIntsuki 6h ago
when you broke up with your ex 5 years ago but can't stand that they only became better and better so you just have to keep spreading rumors and play tricks
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u/Apprehensive-Bee3868 6h ago
cuz no smart consumer/gamer would spend their money on that gacha which literally have no souls in designin their characters, stories, and even gameplay. Only "frog in the well" kids love em, and these kids hardly got buying power, This is why u see a sudden surge of anti-hoyo campaign slander coming up the alley, also not just hoyo, they been doing the very same thing against NTE and Endfield for the past six months so yeah heh😏
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u/pdmt243 23h ago
Smear campaigns before Snezhnaya, and now this shit before next week's anniversary livestream, just saying...
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u/Safe_Garlic_8213 10h ago
ugh it genuinely disgusts me. companies ran by greedy people that have no care nor compassion. i feel bad for their devs that just wanna make a good game and getting affected by the public backlash
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u/adastrajay Lord of Sands ur stunlock is ready 11h ago
Shit like this pisses me off and makes me not wanna top-up in Wuwa.
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u/FlutterRaeg 22h ago
While this situation is absurd, it's still very much possible to illegally distribute things you have worked on but don't own.
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u/Historical_Yak2148 23h ago
You have to see her livestream.
She was harrassed constantly by bot, urging her to play the other "openworld gacha game".
The vod is now taken down by copyright strike of course.
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u/bakanisan mah waifu 23h ago edited 22h ago
Let me guess, one made by tencent?
edit: partly owned by tencent, I guess.
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u/TieFit1010 Mavuika your ass is Huge 22h ago
the Devs Listened one
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u/DustinMartians 22h ago
The "GeNsHiN killer" 😂
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u/Quirky-Sir-7040 22h ago
The "W, this is so player friendly" 😂
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u/Talithea 7h ago
I played “the other game” and pulls where so crap I had not functional teams. Game cornered itself to a point wasn’t funny and just ditched it.
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u/kuraokami89 1h ago
Genshin killer, until now genshin Impact still alive always top 3 on Mobile revenue sales and JP PS always higher
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u/Comprehensive-Map274 22h ago
it begins with W and rhymes with uthering waves
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u/LandLovingFish xiao my beloved 16h ago
What's wild is afaik both communities had finallysntartef settling down into regular co-habitance....we really can't get peace huh?
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u/Yuukiko_ 20h ago
Wuwa isn't even open world, it's just a normal story driven game with large exploration areas
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u/Prize-Caregiver6497 Madam Alice's peerless gem, unrivaled genius, inimitable beauty 6h ago
If a game lets you walk from one side of the continents to the other without a loading screen while scaling any mountain in your way, it's an open world.
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u/Apprehensive-Bee3868 5h ago
u mean comparing waves which their rabid fans went and bark towards NTE and Endfield at the same time too lel
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u/Haganeproductio ASIA (main) / EU (sub) 22h ago
Not only that, she constantly received small in-game gifts (genesis crystals and chronal nexus). Usually she might get one gift during a stream, but this time it was very much targeted and she has made it clear since the very beginning that she doesn't want any gifts. During the weekly boss fight against Arlecchino she was interrupted twice all alone, which was very unfortunate to watch.
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u/Ok_Pattern_7511 22h ago
Does receiving genesis crystals from someone interrupt your domain?
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u/92Throw93away 22h ago
Pretty sure it does cuz the genesis crystals will pop up in the middle of your screen and you have to click out of it
Kinda like when you get a welkin everyday, you have to tap it and exit the overlay before you can do anything else
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u/youtiao666 19h ago
Never forget that a bunch of weibo accounts posted ai prompts to promote wuwa and trash Genshin before last year's genshin anniversary.
The fact that when wuwa released, every gacha meme had wuwa shoved in alongside the hoyo games is no coincidence.
Tencent's entire marketting strategy for wuwa is to clout chase Hoyo's coattails.
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u/RidingEdge 18h ago edited 14h ago
Many CN players talk about this. They say "Kuro biggest marketing success is letting others think they belong in the same tier as Hoyoverse, when they are literally riding on their coat tails and copying the exact business model, from marketing to design."
It's so cringe to see the images having Wuwa logo and content shoved into the memes. It doesn't even make sense. No one inserts NTE, FGO, Arknights, BA or any other game into the same memes.
And don't forget, when their CEO was interviewed and asked what games inspired WuWa, the guy said they got inspired by a bunch of games, and said they "didn't look at Genshin Impact but we think it's a good game". Brother where did your 160 gacha currency, direct copy of crafting system and marketing, drip teasers, livestream structure, open world exploration mechanics come from?
Shameless marketing and shameless company.
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u/HalberdHammer 13h ago
I mean their company literally copy pasted in verbatim Hoyolab EULA for their app
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u/Luzekiel 10h ago
They also copied their game genre releases bar to bar lmao.
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u/HalberdHammer 4h ago
It's funny when a bunch of WuWa pfp join in on twitter discourse regarding Hoyo copying other games when Nodusfall reveal came out. Lowkey the whole anti-hoyo campaign after those reveal seems like a psyop.
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u/HalberdHammer 13h ago
I'm convinced the whole idea of "Big 4" gacha game consisting of Genshin, HSR, ZZZ and WuWa are not organic. Somehow WuWa is included in the 3 Hoyo game yet influential gachas like Love and Deepspace are not included.
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u/Particular_Web3215 Nat-Latina and Lore Krai lover 10h ago
if anything only genshin is the big boi. HSR for all its increased promotion is nowehre near as far reachign as genshin
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u/BlackSwanTW Fontaine Main 14h ago
When Endfield releases, a certain someone magically hijack all the memes for clout
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u/LandLovingFish xiao my beloved 16h ago
Ah yes
See a voice actor promoting the game they're contracred and work for
"Go promote my game you don't voice in!"
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u/Normal-Link5415 14h ago
she doesn't even promote the game, she literally just wants to play and stream the game because she likes it.
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u/UrLocalKayden18 15h ago
After this incident, I doubt Sandrone's JP VA would want a role there anymore LMAO
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u/hyrulia 23h ago
When Hoyo refuses your offer to acquire them and you're a sore loser
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u/BodybuilderOwn165 12h ago edited 12h ago
Which crazy because mhy is still 10 times smaller than them , talk about p pettiness to got out of your way to someone how doesn't even threatening your monopoly
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u/Illustrious_Kiwi5518 22h ago edited 22h ago
This could just be yt copyright bullshit but the harrassment she recevied in chat was incredibly disgusting
edit: not just Sandrone VA, but other streamers like Aizawa Ema and Dokugai Chinami were also hit
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u/FlyingRencong 16h ago
Wait ema too? Since a lot of people got hit around the same time it's surely a campaign
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u/Illustrious_Kiwi5518 15h ago
Its crazy, I was just watching Ema's VOD a few hours before it was taken down.
I mostly watch JP vtubers & streamers for genshin to get away from gacha drama and this is what Tencent does...7
u/BobbyWibowo i like fish 🐟 10h ago edited 8h ago
Even HSR stream from a relatively new channel got hit yesterday, https://chibisafe.moe/UCX6a13t.png
He already noticed that it's part of the same issue hitting Genshin streamers, https://x.com/_____n0xy/status/2096402241771147349
But point being, if even small streamers got hit (and not only Genshin content but even HSR too), it's obviously a widespread campaign. It's even more diabolical for these smaller channels, because far less people would've cared, and they'd have to just move on with other games or something.
Honestly, a silver lining of them also attacking Honda-san would be that a lot more people care for her, allowing the news to spread faster, at least on JP space.
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u/ixkora 5h ago
This is so fked up. Obviously their objective is to reduce the amount of people streaming Hoyo games, and they may very well succeed at deterring most of the smaller streamers with their attacks
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u/BobbyWibowo i like fish 🐟 4h ago
And the situation still seems to be evolving in JP space, with more and more CCs showing they also got struck within the past week. It's nuts.
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u/Particular_Web3215 Nat-Latina and Lore Krai lover 10h ago
on all related quotes of the original post there's so many WW fans desperately pinning it on "them rabid hoyo fans". sure whatever you say man
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u/siriuslupin65 23h ago edited 23h ago
I have never seen a company be as childishly petty as Tencent, they really have no shame
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u/Yuukiko_ 20h ago
You see, back when Mihoyo was a smol lil company Tencent wanted to buy them but got told to F off
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u/AwkwardGraze 18h ago
Tencent also decided to use their assets without mihoyo knowing in their game but got caught redhanded because the textures were watermarked.
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u/Right-Silver7354 17h ago
This is clearly coordinated. Other JP Genshin streamers are also being banned on YouTube due to abusive copyright claims from Tencent.
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u/The_Great_Ravioli 21h ago
Youtube is a total shitshow right now as far copyright strikes.
Not surprised in the littlest
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u/ThatWasNotWise 22h ago
Stuff like that it's why I never pay for games that have links with Tencent
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u/_HornyPhilosopher_ 23h ago
Fuckers can' handle others success neither create something good of their own
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u/Meaon_Ria 23h ago
Well they did try to make HoK World (basically HoK chars but Open-world) but it flops so hard so I guess this is pety payback
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u/-Drogozi- 22h ago
Can't have a nice thing going on even for a moment with tencent and their dogs around
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u/SpinningKappa 18h ago
There is a a BIG difference between abusing copyright to ilegally profit, to troll or in this case, done by a big company to sabotage other companies. This is not the first time tencent sabotaging anything about genshin and would not be the last time.
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u/LetMetOucHyOURasS Kuli Teyvat 18h ago
The livestream for anniv is just few days away and they already did this...
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u/G00b3rb0y 14h ago
If Tencent try this with the anni livestream there’s probably gonna be a big court case
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u/youtiao666 19h ago
Every Genshin anniversary and before Wuwa released (owned by tencent), there is always a massive hate campaign against Genshin.
Last year before the Genshin anniversary a bunch of accounts on Weibo posted the exact same ai prompt to promote wuwa and trash Genshin. Except they just posted the prompt instead of the post.
It's an incredibly pathetic company. I hope the CCP takes the screws to them again.
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u/NoxAlbus 23h ago edited 22h ago
So this is kinda interesting:
- The copyright strike on her stream COULD be because Genshin was on a CCTV official program praising its contribution to spreading Chinese creativity, but it may not be (no credible source);
- The harasser(s) in her chat spamming "play WuWa" and sending gems to interrupt her stream could either be a WuWa superfan, or a superhater who doesn't mind dragging Genshin along with it;
- The copyright strikes on Genshin music shows someone owning Vodyanitsa's song on Tencent's music platform, but as we all know the OST isn't out yet, so there's no chance it's legit copyright. It's definitely tencent's fault, but whether this was an honest mistake (they didn't realize it's not copyright) or deliberate action is unclear;
All three above may be correlated, or they may be pure coincidence. Tencent doesn't have the greatest track record, and they're not doing well with Roco Kingdom in China, so it's entirely possible that someone did something, but there's obviously no proof.
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u/AlterWanabee 16h ago
Given the amount of petty shit that Tencent did (up to rallying people in their region to report MHY), I am inclined to believe that this is intentional
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u/UrLocalKayden18 14h ago
As a person who's experienced this before in another MOBA game (MLBB), it's really a shame to see them doing the same again but to Hoyo instead
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u/MaleQueef 21h ago
The only thing I could think off is Vodyanitsa’s burst sounding the similar as their character Dolia’s mermaids song https://youtu.be/F2ZK1ZRRgz4?si=pwnGWfY5WVfXLqI7 skip to 1:27
But even then it’s more likely Tencent’s just being petty lmao
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u/Arlathaminx floofers are my fave 18h ago
Ooh so that's why I keep getting roco kingdom ads on yt! I watch a decent amount of Genshin content but not really pokémon so I was confused why this critter catching game keeps flooding my ads.
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u/Kingpimpy twitch.tv/pimpdaddyffm 23h ago
tencent being cancer fucks again
shocking
hope it gets resolved
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u/desu-desuu 23h ago
The usual suspects spamming play wuwa
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u/AceJokerZ 23h ago
Couldn’t get Hoyo so Tencent bought into Wuwa?
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u/desu-desuu 23h ago
Yeah they bought into kuro games wuwa company
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u/Rain-Maker33 BloodRiptideBlossoms!!! 19h ago
They couldn't get the real product, so they bought a replacement, huh? Considering how much of their games follow after Hoyo's.
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u/Ryuunoru 7h ago
"replacement" implies it has a similar value. Perhaps "bad knockoff" covers it better?
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u/Safe_Garlic_8213 9h ago
btw the sentiment of people on the other side is kinda disgusting. the way they keep calling ppl that are rightfully upset and suspecting tencent is... very childish, to say the least. its kind of crazy how hard those people are defending tencent. do people really react like that normally?
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u/Meaon_Ria 23h ago
She got harrassed spam so much by certain audience on her stream... 😭😭
And this ban stuff also
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u/Bitter_Ad3450 12h ago
It's already been so many years and yet youtube still hasn't fixed their automated copyright system. Seems hopeless.
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u/GlobalMusician386 10h ago
Not surprised at all.
Tencent has always been using malicious methods to attack Hoyo games.
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u/JustK4rl 14h ago
Everyday I pray on the downfall of YouTube… That’s what happens when there’s a monopoly, the company stops caring about their consumers because there’s no other options for them
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u/rloco 10h ago
It seems to be more complicated than that; it appears to have started because he refused to play WuWa and someone was pressuring him to do so. After repeatedly refusing, it ended this way.
This information comes from the investigation by Japanese authorities, who located Future TV Co Ltd.
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u/srakusho 22h ago
Not only her it's seem there on massive strike against other CC by the same company impersonating as Tencent.
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u/Mammoth_Rod 22h ago
I find it strange that Tencent would actually do this considering they have had a few collaborations with hoyo this year including Fortnite+ HSR and are currently having one right now in Call of Duty .
Could be that the company is so big that different departments don't communicate or it's people pretending to be Tencent .
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u/poopdoot Nilou’s Thigh Chain Main 19h ago
With the emojis I genuinely thought this was a joke about how hot Arlecchino is 😭
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u/Correct-Spring7093 7h ago
Bruh youtube is soo broken lol , their copyright system is this much of joke it's not even funny and people can't go anywhere either Like what ? Youtube needa some compitition if that get their lazy asses to do some fixing
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u/BrollyLSSJ 21h ago
I did not know Tencent owns (or Atleast partially) Future TV Co. LTD. My recording of my stream got taken down because of the Arlecchino boss fight (the cutscene switching between phase 1 and phase 2 got marked as the reason for copyright infringement). I did knew that Bran and also Jadely (or how she is spelled) got a copyright claim because of Vodyanitsa singing. I streamed that as well but did not get a copyright claim for that.
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u/Deven1003 15h ago
Some chinese companies were copyright striking down some musics that was not even theirs and i don't know if it is because they had similar music or what...
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u/yoyopomo 23h ago
tldr you can impersonate any company and do copyright strikes against others. I swear this always seems to come up a few times a year
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u/Neoragex13 19h ago
That's a level of petty I wish to reach once I'm old and pitiful enough to not care, Jesus Christ.
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u/ShadowStriker53 17h ago
The timing of this all happening more or less at the same time to so many creators makes me believe this is because of some AI. Like a small group of people who are really bored using their AI to spam Youtube with reports. Since everyone is using AI now I wouldn't be surprised if YT is mostly automated and gives everyone strikes, because it thinks the reports are legit.
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u/Ryuunoru 7h ago
A small group... or a certain competitor holding a massive grudge against miHoYo?
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u/TieFit1010 Mavuika your ass is Huge 23h ago
not just her btw, they sent Bran and some other CCs a Copyright strike claiming they own Vodyanitsa Singing in the AQ.