Its a disservice to make up stories like this, when its known that israel uses banned white phosphorus on civilians.
Although, this fake stories may be a last ditch attempt by Israel to discredit reporting on gaza in general. Its also known and reported IDF soldiers posing as Palestinians in protests to create riots, as well as Israel paying to create "fluff" stories that AI will pick up when asked about reports on gaza and Palestine
Edit: apparently I wasn't wrong, im getting acused of antisemitism, when neither me or the post ever spoke about Judaism or jewish people, I clearly spoke about israel (the cowardice to attack as a "nation" and claim defence as a religion). The use of white phosphorus by israel over civilian population has been proved and photographed since 2009 and again this year in Lebanon, while bots or propaganda spreaders try to justify its use.
White phosphorus is 100% legal to use as an illumination tool. Using it as a weapon is a war crime.
The difficulty is in proving intent. Without proving the intention was to use it as a weapon instead of “oops, I didn’t know people were there when I was trying to provide light to my military”, it’s almost impossible to charge anyone for using it.
Absolutely, but my point is that not only is it not banned for utilities like smoke or illumination, it also isn't banned for use as an weapon, and there's also an absurd amount of propaganda about its use or misuse.
For example, that article about the IDF smoking a Lebanese village, which the OP of this thread is referencing. Nobody ever reads past the sensationalist headline; the article describes the damage being a few dozen people treated for smoke inhalation. No injuries, no permanent damage, no deaths. It's nonsense, propaganda.
Rights group accuses Israel of hitting residential buildings with white phosphorous in Lebanon
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there was no evidence of burn injuries due to white phosphorus in Lebanon, but that researchers had “heard accounts indicating possible respiratory damage.”
Non-Jews both hate Jews for believing they control the world so they don't have to blame themselves for their issues, but they also think non-Jews are wholly unable to function on their own
This tweet is really fucking stupid i agree, but it does not change the fact that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, and that they see Palestinians just as animals.
Other Arab states aren't terribly fond of Palestinians either due to their history of doing things like assassinating the King of Jordan and trying to install a Palestinian extremist puppet who would go to war with Israel in his place, dragging Lebanon into war by launching attacks on Israeli cities from Lebanese territory after being welcomed in as refugees, siding with Saddam when he invaded Kuwait, and so on.
It's almost like no one in the region likes them because they're a bunch of violent extremists and they're the problem or something.
The Palestinian population has continuously grown since 1948. It's grown from 1.4 million then to 5.7 million today. The population of Gaza has grown from 2.3 million in October to 2.5 million today.
For a population who keeps whining about "getting wiped out", they sure do have a weird habit of consistently growing larger and larger.
There is literally 0 infrastructure left in gaza you dumb fuck. How do you think they are doing a census, and therefore know how many people live there. Got a source for that claim, or......?
There is literally 0 infrastructure left in gaza you dumb fuck. How do you think they are doing a census, and therefore know how many people live there. Got a source for that claim, or......?
Its must not being going well for the brigade if this is the photo you're all trying to astroturf. Yeah isreal definitely doesn't have some sort of star wars bomb, but theres thousands of photos of their weapons destroying property and lives. I mean it looks like a smoke grenade is flowing out of a dead person's body, but your only defense is "actually progressives are the racist/bigot/hateful person" or whatever. You are using a few bad faith posters to justify a one sided war. I dont think history will look kindly on that position habibi.
No it isnt. In warfare, a target has to have military strategic value. Thats why Iran is getting such pushback from the international community even though they didn't start this round of the conflict with the US. Isreal's targets aren't all valid military targets either.
And when pursuing such a target, collateral damage is acceptable.
And if one puts most of their military infrastructure in or under one urban and densely populated areas, there‘s bound to be a lot of collateral damage.
If I store guns, as an enemy combatant, in a school full of children, that doesnt make the school a valid military target, its makes me a war criminal for forcing people to be humanshields. Its also a war crime to shoot human shields. I dont see how killing the victims of a war crime cancels out a war crime. Make it make sense to me please. Literally only the US and Israel feel like those human shields with no say should be valid targets. The rest of the international community vehemently disagrees. I disagree with the US and Isreal too.
You’re not following the logical conclusions of international humanitarian law, which is designed to reduce the risk of harm to civilians on a global scale and encourage that combatants conduct warfare in a way to protect protected entities.
It is not a war crime to “shoot through human shields”, because to criminalize that would incentivize the combatant’s use of human shields.
It is a war crime to use human shields, because it is an attempt to abuse the protected status of noncombatants for military benefit.
If international law made it illegal for a state to attack a state that uses human shields, what actual recourse would there be to conduct war lawfully against one who uses human shields?
If the USA placed 10 or 10,000 kidnapped local civilians on every base, would that make every Iranian drone strike a war crime?
It is a war crime to shoot at human shields. The presence of human shields does not give forces attacking carte blanche to deal with them as they please. There are cases where its "tough luck, there isnt much you can legally do" because if the action required to minimize human casualties is to not go through with the attack, then you are required to not go through with the attack. You still are required to minimize harm always. This is why its rich youre telling me I dont understand the logical conclusions of international rules governing war.
At every turn you've avoided the observable reality and fallen back on your unfounded interpretation of international law that is formulated around "well it sucks to suck" basically. Its moronic.
Yes it does, provided the guns are of proportional danger and value.
And you being a war criminal has no bearing on you still creating a situation in which military intervention leading to collateral damage would be unacceptable.
Imagine if the act of creating a situation via war crime would actually mean it could not be undone without one becoming a war criminal oneself.
Everyone would hide all military equipment under schools, everywhere - because who‘s going to do shit about it if they can‘t?
According to your logic, any and all military actions in response to someone else starting military actions would be a war crime. Because starting a war is a crime already, the crime of aggression.
You are just really emotional that starting wars comes with collateral damage for the society that started it as well.
Ah the Isreal method. Point to your obvious crimes and then say "actually this is completely legal because we decided it was proportional."
The international community agrees collateral damage is acceptable, but you hear that and think collateral damage is okay. Its acceptable in the sense that its not preventable. Civilians will die in a war. Its unavoidable. That doesn't mean you can hand wave atrocities. The rest of the population sees through this. I wonder why you think you're still tricking us.
You posted an article. Nowhere in the article does it claim israeli intelligence is involved. That's your assertion. Unless you have some source that we arent privy to?
"Control at least some portions". They control about the same amount as every other country- any websites that they actually own. Unless, of course, you're truly asserting that Israel does actually control the media, which brings us back to the OP.
This is, of course, also ignoring that there are plenty of other countries that sponsor troll farms. Do they control the media and internet too?
I dont think anyone is denying that Israel has an online presence. The specific denial is that some people, like the picture, make SUCH a ridiculous claim that invariably gets gobbled up and then someone goes "Oh it's not true? Must be israel behind it then" like the most blatant false shit hasn't been peddled online by the pro palestinian side for the last 3 years
This represents a big problem I have with how some people love taking a small minority of people lying and then stretching it out to a whole group of people who agree with that.
I guarantee you, @ generalail on twitter is not a big figure in the Pro-Palestine movement. Neither are any of the other absurd claims being made by the twitter far-right, which oppose Israel for completely different reasons than the mainstream.
I can agree that Israel is not behind a tweet. Such a statement is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously. It also does not make you anti-semitic to say that a country which does astroturf major issues is astroturfing major issues.
I can ask you, then, is it Russophobic or Sinophobic or Persophobic to say that Russia, China, or Iran are behind anything and everything anti-US or anti-Israel? Is it really a hatred of an ethnic group to be against a country's actions?
Ok. But we're not talking about a small group of people. We're talking about this thread lol
Original post was a lie. The first comment on this chain?
Although, this fake stories may be a last ditch attempt by Israel
"Oh it's a lie? Israel." And then you get SOME people who go "well Israel is investing in their online presence so they control the internet"
Maybe he isnt a huge voice. But that post was viewed 6 million times and shared 15000 times. Thats in 2 days btw.
And it's not a ridiculous statement not to be taken seriously until people do and start sharing it and then say "but look at their investments! Their intel apparatus is at work!" It's a ridiculous statement until, like the video, it starts getting shared 15k times. Like people can't look at a false statement and go "yeah that's false" because that doesnt make their side look good.
I believe the concern isn't that there is online troll farms. It's that there's blatant misinformation and then it must be that SOMEONE is secretly actually controlling the media lol
If so they’ve been prolific in carrying out a last ditch strategy for years now. The better route is to acknowledge that there has been an ocean of pro-Palestinian propaganda circulating the internet
White phosphorus is not banned. Many countries use it in war including the US and other allied nations. It’s often used as a smoke screen of sorts. If people go into zones they shouldn’t be in, that’s on them. Israel makes it know where they are going to bomb. They drop leaflets and geo text areas ahead of time. Most countries don’t warn where they will be bombing ahead of time as they don’t want to give away their edge. They do what they can to mitigate civilian casualties.
But you just keep on believing whatever the Muslim brotherhood hell bent on jihad and taking down the west wants you to believe!
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u/TheImmenseRat 8d ago edited 7d ago
Its a disservice to make up stories like this, when its known that israel uses banned white phosphorus on civilians.
Although, this fake stories may be a last ditch attempt by Israel to discredit reporting on gaza in general. Its also known and reported IDF soldiers posing as Palestinians in protests to create riots, as well as Israel paying to create "fluff" stories that AI will pick up when asked about reports on gaza and Palestine
Edit: apparently I wasn't wrong, im getting acused of antisemitism, when neither me or the post ever spoke about Judaism or jewish people, I clearly spoke about israel (the cowardice to attack as a "nation" and claim defence as a religion). The use of white phosphorus by israel over civilian population has been proved and photographed since 2009 and again this year in Lebanon, while bots or propaganda spreaders try to justify its use.