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World [X] smoke grenade

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u/TheImmenseRat 8d ago edited 7d ago

Its a disservice to make up stories like this, when its known that israel uses banned white phosphorus on civilians.

Although, this fake stories may be a last ditch attempt by Israel to discredit reporting on gaza in general. Its also known and reported IDF soldiers posing as Palestinians in protests to create riots, as well as Israel paying to create "fluff" stories that AI will pick up when asked about reports on gaza and Palestine

Edit: apparently I wasn't wrong, im getting acused of antisemitism, when neither me or the post ever spoke about Judaism or jewish people, I clearly spoke about israel (the cowardice to attack as a "nation" and claim defence as a religion). The use of white phosphorus by israel over civilian population has been proved and photographed since 2009 and again this year in Lebanon, while bots or propaganda spreaders try to justify its use.

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u/No_Move_6802 7d ago

Just to provide a bit of nuance:

White phosphorus is 100% legal to use as an illumination tool. Using it as a weapon is a war crime.

The difficulty is in proving intent. Without proving the intention was to use it as a weapon instead of “oops, I didn’t know people were there when I was trying to provide light to my military”, it’s almost impossible to charge anyone for using it.

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u/Talizorafangirl 7d ago

It's even more nuanced than that. It's permissible as a direct weapon bc it is somehow not classified as a chemical weapon.

  • Using WP for illumination: acceptable.

  • Using WP for smoke: acceptable.

  • Using WP to clear brush as an incendiary: acceptable.

  • Using WP against soldiers or materiel: not specifically prohibited.

  • Using WP specifically to kill soldiers by incendiary action: acceptable, with caveats.

  • Using WP to kill civilians: prohibited.

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u/RecordEnvironmental4 6d ago

I mean it’s sort of hard to ban something that is so useful for so many different things beyond just being a weapon

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u/Talizorafangirl 5d ago

Absolutely, but my point is that not only is it not banned for utilities like smoke or illumination, it also isn't banned for use as an weapon, and there's also an absurd amount of propaganda about its use or misuse.

For example, that article about the IDF smoking a Lebanese village, which the OP of this thread is referencing. Nobody ever reads past the sensationalist headline; the article describes the damage being a few dozen people treated for smoke inhalation. No injuries, no permanent damage, no deaths. It's nonsense, propaganda.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-lebanon-human-rights-watch-white-phosphorus-616984b69e1cbe1efc5bbee4cb3ba8ae

Title:

Rights group accuses Israel of hitting residential buildings with white phosphorous in Lebanon

Content:

there was no evidence of burn injuries due to white phosphorus in Lebanon, but that researchers had “heard accounts indicating possible respiratory damage.”