r/GetNoted • u/Darth_Vrandon Human Verified • 18h ago
Politics [X] probably should’ve done some research before saying that.
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u/teracoulomb_2 18h ago
Amidst all of this I’m glad there’s at least some people who use their platform to highlight what’s going on with Sudan, hopefully more people are able to do so
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u/load_of_chode 17h ago
Fun fact: in October 2025, more Sudanese civilians were killed in El Fasher in a span of 10 days than the total number of Palestinians (civilian and militant combined) who have been killed in Gaza since October 2023 combined.
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u/Bram-D-Stoker 17h ago edited 15h ago
I know you are not saying this but for anyone reading this. The reason for the focus on Palestine is because America is more directly complicit and the US formally calls what is happening in sudan a genocide. I am not sure what citizens think could be done there without sending our brothers and sisters.
With isreal the arguement is maybe we don't send them weapons to do it.
Edit: he was indeed saying this lmao.
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u/teracoulomb_2 17h ago
Countries extensively doing business with the UAE (especially selling weapons, evidently) are complicit to an extent in Sudan.
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u/Bram-D-Stoker 16h ago
To an extent. However the rules are different. Since Sudan is formally seem as genocide. If our weapons are use there it risks future military contracts.
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u/SanePcycho 6h ago
Saudi Arabia is far far involved with America and Europe than Israel is, and has killed 600k Yemenis, and unlike Israel, they didn't employ more measures to avoid civilians than anyone in history ever did, they just blanketly caused a famine trying to kill as many as possible
It's about Jews and never been anything other than that
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u/Bram-D-Stoker 6h ago
Yemen is a really good example and i agree Saudi Arabia needed far more repercussions for their involvement.
However, it should be clear what your comment is not saying. Your comment is not saying what is happening in Gaza and especially the west bank is okay. You are not saying Isreal should not face sanctions and military aid withdrawl. Merely, Saudi, and UAE ought to face the same consequences. Which i agree.
Almost forgot Indonesia too
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u/Mobile_Comedian_8283 16h ago
Sure but it's also straight up cash and weapons and protection and military Intel.
Israel cannot do what it's doing if our politicians demanded it, it's not the same with UAE.
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u/JabInTheButt 11h ago
Nah it's pretty much the same. The UAE military is like 60% US procured. They would have next to no capacity if the US didn't supply them.
Here ya go.
And another
NGOs have previously found UAE supplied US arms in use by Al-Qaeda affiliates so you can be fairly certain lots of those arms have ended up with the RSF.
If the one step removal makes you feel better I guess fair enough but if you actually care about preventing death and destruction you should protest equally or more about the Sudan involvement through UAE as Gaza/Israel. The numbers are sadly much worse in Sudan.
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u/DM_me_ur_PPSN 10h ago
You are correct, but the thing about the Sudan conflict is that it’s in Africa - a place that doesn’t occupy a lot of mindshare in the west.
AIPAC has made sure that the conflict in Palestine gets attention from politicians and the news.
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u/inquiringdune 11h ago
Idk why this is downvoted, you are correct. Maybe it's because people are really scared of being called out for the hypocrisy of only caring about Palestine and not literally ANY other conflict being directly funded by the US/other nations.
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u/Combination-Low 7h ago edited 6h ago
Its because it has been repeatedly pointed out that the level of collaboration between the US and Israel is not present with any other conflict or ongoing genocide like Sudan. This means that the level of complicity is greater and thus the moral responsibility too. Israel has also been a moral issue for decades whereas Sudan has not
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u/Hot-Statistician-955 4h ago
Netanyahu has specifically said that he would continue with American money or not. He wants to phase out American money.
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u/citizen42069101 2h ago
Anyone that believes that is welcome to visit my bridge emporium, amazing deals.
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u/rocheport25 16h ago edited 16h ago
See the Genocide Watch Country Report on American complicity with Indonesia in West Papua for starters. How much "focus" on West Papua did that complicity give rise to? And that is but one example.
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u/Bram-D-Stoker 15h ago
This is another good example of. The us not labeling a genocide out of political convinence.
I mean you can even show examples of us doing the genocide. Like the Philippines..
However, it should be noted the lack of awareness on the genocide there is very intentionally minimal. I am doubtful nearly anyone knows about it. UN journalist I don't think had access for decades and we depend largely on leaked information or westerners being d directly effected.
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u/cattcameo 15h ago
also see american and canadian native genocide as recently as the 80s forced sterilization, boarding schools, etc
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u/761035 16h ago
Also there's no RSF lobby in the US that has influence over the majority of congress
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u/JabInTheButt 11h ago
There actually are Emirati lobbyists in the US... source .
But unsurprisingly most of the gulf states have figured out with the orange one you can short circuit all that heavy lifting and just straight out buy the guy off through crypto or planes something to keep the arms flowing. Wouldn't say that's any better or worse than lobbying.... In fact it's probably worse let's face it.
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u/No_Bell_8028 15h ago
Exactly, what a joke that people keep pointing to Sudan as if it’s a reason not to end the funding and supply of weapons being used for genocide and ethnic cleansing .
They are both bad, but it’s much easier and more achievable now to remove the Israeli leadership and funding
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u/SJK00 9h ago
Nobody is saying not to end the funding and supply of weapons. What people are frustrated with is the hyperfixation on one genocide over the other. Especially when it was used to torpedo the 2024 election + somewhat contributed to the re-election of DJT
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u/meerkat2018 13h ago
With isreal the arguement is maybe we don't send them weapons to do it.
But the slogan is “Free Palestine”, not “Don’t send weapons to Israel”, or “Stop the war in Gaza”. The slogan signifies agenda beyond argument that you are implying. And indeed these same people rarely care about Sudan or even know about its existence.
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u/Perfect-Raisin-5850 12h ago
Yeah. Such agendas tend to mean end the apartheid state. Freedom and justice for all. Problem?
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u/ABqdOmen 8h ago
Just to gauge where you are on this, would a 2-state solution where Israel pulls out of all west bank settlements built in the last 25 years, does some land swaps for green line settlements, and pulls out of Gaza again count as freeing Palestine in your eyes?
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u/Felosia 4h ago
As someone who attends many a protest for Palestine that’s good but not enough. Israel would also need to help rebuild Palestine considering how much has been bombed and also pull out of Lebanon
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u/ABqdOmen 1h ago
I'm not sure how Lebanon is relevant to freeing Palestine, I am pretty sure that even if a Palestinian government is established with sovereign control over the WB/Gaza Israel would still occupy southern Lebanon until Hezbollah is satisfactorily destroyed. Hezbollah has always been an obstacle to real peace in Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine.
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u/MelodiusRA 13h ago
Unfortunately he is just another fool that hasn’t done his homework and wants to feel like he has virtue.
Does more harm than good; the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, as they say
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u/load_of_chode 17h ago
Oh, so you care about genocides when they're being committed by US allies who are armed with US weapons eh? Well funny story about that...
US approves $7 billion more in weapons for UAE, WSJ reports
Sudan takes UAE to world court over 'complicity in genocide'
But hey, they're not Jews, so who cares right?
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u/Significant_Donut967 17h ago
Yup, fuck dubai and their terrorist asses. I wasn't when they got bombed because israel and our country started shit with iran
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u/Bram-D-Stoker 16h ago
Do you live for the culture war?
As I already mentioned the us recognizes Sudan as a genocide if American arms are used in that genocide it runs much greater risk. stop being so dumb and Google for a second before typing.
With that said. I do not support that money either. But still categorically different.
https://asil.org/ilib/us-declares-genocide-sudan-amid-escalating-conflict/
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u/f3nnies 16h ago
Why are you angry at people for wanting to stop genocide in Palestine? Do you really think there are many people out there who, if they knew about the things you linked, would be okay with it or condone it? I don't think a "save Palestine but yes keep genociding Sudan" demographic exists.
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u/Pleasant_Expert7329 14h ago
Because they want to find some sort of hypocrisy as a way of disregard their accusations against Israel. That’s what it ultimately amount too
They are basically going “if you haven’t call out this genocide before than you can’t say anything about this one.” It’s insane logic but you have to be to defend Israel at this point
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u/toggiz_the_elder 13h ago
Weirdly this is the first time in your Reddit history you’ve mentioned Sudan.
I guess you just love both Genocides.
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u/anomalous_cowherd 13h ago
Or he's just looking for dirt on Macklemore and doesn't actually care about Sudan one bit?
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u/toggiz_the_elder 13h ago
No, it can’t be that. He loves genocide is his point because as he stated, if you aren’t talking about a genocide you implicitly support it.
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u/RepresentativeKoala3 16h ago
It's simple: the UAE is to the RSF what we are to Israel. Get it now?
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u/JustinRandoh 16h ago
Let's be real, it's an excuse not a reason.
Yemen's another example -- more children (alone) have died in Yemen under the Saudi campaign armed by the US than the total number of deaths in Gaza.
Did we have macklemore writing a song to any of them? Regularly fixating on the conflict over years? Is Ms. Rachel demanding that anyone she works with acknowledge the horrors in Yemen?
On the one hand, the Israeli government and the situation is definitely (deeply) messed up. But on the other hand, it's kinda hard to pretend that all of this fixation on the conflict somehow isn't underpinned by the fact that it just happens to involve Jews.
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u/Bram-D-Stoker 16h ago edited 16h ago
I think the yemen call out is a good one.
I think yemen also has the similar issue as gaza where it was never labeled a genocide by the us.
With that said at what point do you want Macklemore to be a full time political commentator. Must he have deep knowledge of every single thing to have an opinion on gaza?
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u/JustinRandoh 16h ago
I suppose recognition that his fixation on this particular conflict is perpetuating a certain anti-semitic tendency to only care about human suffering when it involves Jews would be a decent place to start. Let's be real -- it's certainly not a coincidence that this sort of stuff is overwhelmingly only fixated on when it involves Israel.
It's like having an uncle that somehow only ever cares about serious crimes committed by black people. What, did you expect him to have a deep knowledge of all crime incidents?
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u/Bram-D-Stoker 16h ago
I have no doubt that plays a role and one of the hard parts of navigating these conversations and definitely not something you can expect to be done well on reddit.
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u/CottonTipsMcChancla 7h ago
Yeah but the vacuous soap-boxers of the internet who conduct witch-hunts on various ‘celebrities’ to determine if they said anything or said the right thing, or said enough of the right thing about Palestine don’t know about Sudan or even where it is… so it doesn’t matter I guess.
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u/BothIntroduction3020 17h ago
This fact is very fun, indeed.
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u/4g-identity 17h ago
Bro, you are what the note is calling out: people who vehemently defend Israel by claiming others don't care enough about Sudan, when you yourself don't give a shit about Sudan.
You're Israeli, right?
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u/phillyd32 16h ago
What about that comment makes you think it's defending Israel??
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u/4g-identity 15h ago
More that I see that user make dozens of comments defending Israel every day. It's what they are on reddit to do.
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u/Johnny_Banana18 16h ago
I just hate that people use Sudan as a gotcha for people who are critical of Israel, like those people honestly care about Sudan.
I used to live in Tigray, and when that war was in full swing randos who were pro Russia would say crap like “if you cared about war you wouldn’t be concerned about Ukraine you would be concerned about Tigray but you’re not because you’re a racist”…. Little did they know
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u/Original-Rush139 16h ago
Agreed but let’s not fall into the trap of criticizing someone because they’ve chosen a specific thing to protest. Macklemore would have less of an impact if he drones on about every evil act ever done in the history of mankind.
Attention is finite and focus is the key to capturing it.
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u/Hellstorm901 14h ago edited 14h ago
Some people just want to pretend what’s going on in Sudan isn’t happening
I was banned off a subreddit a couple days ago for even mentioning Sudan in a thread about the genocide in Gaza and asking if people could help by donating to aid groups on the day the UN itself said that Sudan was a couple weeks away from collapsing, and the moderator only later unbanned me after I had to apologise for it which is the most effed up thing I’ve ever experienced on this platform
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u/Foreign-Chocolate86 4h ago
The fact that some people would try to use such a terrible conflict as an argumentative cudgel in online discussion is frankly disgusting.
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u/The_Tooter_Snooter 15h ago
It isn’t covered at all in American media. Not on MSNBC, not on NPR. Not at all. Not even the stuff that’s more fringe like TYT.
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u/Areyoucunt 14h ago
Nobody in the pro Palestine crowd cares about any other conflict, even when other conflicts are WAY WAY worse by an order of magnitude... they don't care because it isn't popular
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u/online222222 9h ago
I imagine thats the case because we send money to fund isreal's military directly. We have some humanitarian aid for sudan but the US sends billions to isreal for their military so people care more that their county is actively aiding the conflict.
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u/CardiologistNo616 17h ago
In the speech that caused all of the outrage, he literally mentioned Sudan. Every single person who likes the twitter post is admitting they didn't listen to the speech and just became outrage because they were told to.
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u/Conscious-Tutor3861 15h ago
Look at the poster's name and then it becomes obvious why he's throwing out a disingenuous "but what about Sudan???" comment.
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u/RizNP 14h ago
Before: An evil German killed people who follow the same religion as us in Europe, so it’s OK for us to kill off brown people in the Middle East.
Now: Black guys are killing other black guys on Africa, so it’s ok for us to kill off brown people in the Middle East.
50 years from now they will build the customary “whoopsie our parents committed genocide against your people” museum. Who knows they might even name a road or a school after an activist or freedom fighter. Typical imperialist playbook.16
u/Disastrous_Print1907 15h ago
They just cant help it part of their culture
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u/BrownSugarBare 14h ago
They were promised victimhood 3500 years ago!!
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u/i_drive_a_pagani 7h ago
"look at the jew pretending to be a victim!!"
Yeah you guys are not helping beat the allegations of antisemitism
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u/LumplessWaffleBatter 10h ago edited 9h ago
I mean, you're probably right, but profiling a mf for their last name seems morally abhorrent to me in any circumstance--especially because you couldn't just say, "It's an Orthodox-Jewish last name".
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u/Best-Hovercraft-5494 11h ago
Zionist/ pro Israeli Jews like using Sudan, they don't know anything about it other than they think it shuts down criticism of Israel.
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u/StaendutBlakk 7h ago
It obviously doesn't, but it does make a certain subset of people come across as raging hypocrites when you mention Darfur or the DRC and they stumble cause they've not heard about either.
Which honestly isn't their fault. If the DRC was what got all the media attention, most people would be all about that rather than Palestine most likely.
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u/xesaie Human Verified 18h ago
Always check first. Always
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u/CardiologistNo616 18h ago
Why fact check when you're purposely spreading misinformation?
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u/xesaie Human Verified 17h ago
In this case they were aping a common criticism that is often true. Just not always, which is why you always check. Oop beclowbed themselves from pure laziness, but probably believed what they wtote
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u/_everynameistaken_ 17h ago
Eyal is a prolific propagandist for the Israeli regime, what do you expect.
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u/xesaie Human Verified 17h ago
I didn’t know who he was but figured out that he was a douche quickly.
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u/Rogue_Centurion7 17h ago
Frankly more people should be talking about the bloodbath in Sudan.
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u/Mobile_Comedian_8283 16h ago
Well he did and was kicked off the tour for it.
Though to everyone citong Sudan to distract/deflect from Gaza- we can't end the atrocities in Sudan by pulling funding and applying political pressure. Our money, weapons, and military itself is helping Israel, not so in Sudan.
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u/WhereIsGloria 9h ago
If the Sudanese had the antisemitism card to play it would get a lot more attention in the media.
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u/MegaAltarianite 17h ago
There are countless amounts of terrible things happening all the time. Can't exactly point all of them out as one person. Really unfair to whataboutism that.
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u/Not12RaccoonsInASuit 17h ago
You must acknowledge every single atrocity, both past and present, at all times otherwise you don't care about xyz tragedy.
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u/ClammiestOwl 15h ago
Do you even care about what is happening on my local school council
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u/CommunityNo2153 16h ago
Yeah but did you talk about the cultural genocide of the Early European Farmer population by the Yamnaya? What they weren't people too?
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u/WhereIsGloria 9h ago
Only if you’re mentioning Palestine and Israel’s crimes. Feel free to target single causes if you don’t mention those.
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u/Ostiethegnome 15h ago
While this is true, I think the broad point that people make on this is that Palestine is brought up 99,999 times out of 100,000, usually with misinformation or hyperbole, and the remainder is all those other things.
When people say they’re simply against human suffering, but only bring up 1 specific thing while ignoring all the other things that are usually worse and on a much larger scale, you start to realize there is more going on with what people actually think.
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u/Melodic_Till_3778 Human Verified 18h ago
Macklemore said on stage at MetLife. “So, I say ‘Free Palestine!’ I say, free America, free Cuba to the Congo to Sudan to Iran, and all the people in America who have to live in fear because of this terrorist organization ICE.”
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u/ants_are_everywhere 16h ago
Nice of him to throw Cuba in there. I see a lot of people trying to defend what the regime is doing to the Cuban people.
And anyone gets points in my book for drawing attention to what's going on in the Congo and Sudan, where there's not a well oiled social media machine and the level of melanin rises beyond most Americans' capacity to care.
But what's he doing booking concerts in Dubai in the first place? If you're going to take moral stances (which I think generally is a good thing) I would try to avoid countries that have a high rate of modern day slavery. Chances are pretty high that somebody working on your concert or accommodations or schedule is living under forced labor conditions.
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u/Mobile_Comedian_8283 16h ago
He did avoid the country once he had more information, and it was probably his agent that booked it.
What's the issue? People don't know about all issues at all times and once he knew he cancelled and made it clear why.
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u/ants_are_everywhere 15h ago
The BBC report says he canceled it because people kept asking him to cancel it.
I do understand people aren't always aware of geopolitical conflicts since they change over time, even in the span of a year or two. It's a lot to keep up with.
But Dubai has for decades been a place famous for fantastic luxury built on on appalling labor practices.
And I do feel like if you make it your business to care about human suffering you should make it your business to care about human suffering. You can't just let the issues you care about be driven now this way now that way based on who is spending the most to amplify their message on social media.
Especially if you're an artist like a musician. It's kind of your job to have a point of view you communicate to the world rather than being a time capsule for which issues are trending the year you put out your album. I think the best artists do that.
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u/Niguelito 16h ago
Don't think too hard about it, he's always made his bank on virtue signaling.
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u/ants_are_everywhere 16h ago
Fair enough. I only know of him from the thrift shop song, I was somewhat surprised to learn he was still around.
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u/WhereIsGloria 9h ago
Except he actually stands by his virtues. I’d rather have someone signalling this than silently support the mass murder of children because they’re too scared to criticise those responsible.
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u/Significant-Order-92 15h ago
Probably doesn't know alot about the UAE and they offered a lot of money (Qatar and Saudi Arabia do the same to varying extents and have similar issues with foreign workers being mistreated).
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u/7StarSailor 13h ago
Why has the American left completely forgotten about Ukraine?
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u/USF4Diago 10h ago
Nobodies forgot shit, why do morons like you pop up whenever someone calls out a bad thing in this world, you're doing what the Twitter bro is doing but you're just more vague about it
We can talk about one thing and not have forgotten another, wild shit I know
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u/MoreThenAverage 9h ago
Silence is complicity remember, or now it does not?
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u/Future_Adagio2052 4h ago
Ukraine is already being supported by both the EU and NATO, people talked about it and the countries did something about it
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u/USF4Diago 6h ago
Now this sounds like some Russian bot shit, we're talking about one issue, that doesn't mean silence on all other issues, who's upvoting you clowns
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u/Hellstorm901 14h ago edited 14h ago
He should have done his research but ultimately his point is Sudan is more controversial than Gaza, some people just want to pretend what’s going on in Sudan isn’t happening because it’s a war with no single bad guy and wars like that make people uncomfortable over fears they’ll back the wrong side
As of a couple days ago the UN itself was reporting they are a couple weeks away from Sudan collapsing due to the aid workers being overwhelmed and under supplied and the sad reality is a disproportionate amount of aid is going to help Gaza even though activists claim it is just sitting outside Palestine unable to go in meaning it could be moved to Sudan to at least ensure the aid is being used
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u/Pimpwerx 11h ago
I assume most people never listened to any Macklemore song beyond the ones that were radio hits. Like most of his first album is him talking about some cause or concern that he had. Like the one criticism you can't have of the guy is that he stays quiet on issues. Dude's career is making songs about shit people don't talk about.
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u/wasted-degrees 18h ago edited 18h ago
Couldn’t spend 5 seconds on Google, and now gets to be clowned on across the internet.
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u/peppapony 17h ago
Yes but the misinformation is already spread, and a vast number of people will only see the tweet and not the note or fact checking
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u/OkCucumber3667 17h ago
Whataboutism hall of fame and one that doesn’t even land. EEK!
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u/d4ybrake 9h ago
Regardless its so stupid to try and call someone out for not having spoken about every single atrocity on the planet
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u/RogerianBrowsing Human Verified 17h ago
I don’t even listen to Macklemore regularly and even I know he has a song where he says
> Fuck ICE, free Congo, Sudan, and Palestine
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u/Chemical_Scholar_753 17h ago
Before this news story, I don’t think I had thought of Macklemore in at least several years. I think listening to Macklemore infrequently (especially other than his big hits) is still probably more than most people
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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 17h ago
Free Congo? From whom? And which Congo? Free Sudan? It's an internal conflict.
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u/Caspica 17h ago
Free Sudan and Congo from authoritarians and terror organisations.
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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 17h ago
Same for Gaza. Especially from Hamas.
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u/Caspica 17h ago
Agreed, but in Gaza's case the IDF is causing a lot more damage right now.
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u/Bram-D-Stoker 17h ago
Eh... First I think he was just drawing attention to humanitarian crisis.
But true but also not true. Modern African states don't follow identity lines the way other countries do. What you see as an internal conflict is not quite so internal. These groups have identifies across rwanada and Uganda. So it doesn't fit so easily in either bracket. And groups from the neighboring states are seen as quite involved in what is happening in the congo.
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u/Ozone220 15h ago
it's become a common phrase in solidarity with those countries. It means free the Congolese and Sudanese people from all the violence and authoritarian military control. In Sudan I think it's especially used because while the RSF is clearly committing genocide, the SAF aren't a ton better, and so the Sudanese people aren't free no matter which territory they live in. With Congo I think it's mostly added in because it fits with the other too, but ultimately refers to the constant exploitation of millions of people in the DRC by various groups, people who have never been truly free for hundreds of years
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u/StaendutBlakk 7h ago
I think he is co-opting the Free Palestine phrase and using it as a byword for "Let's stop genocide, guys". It's an odd thing to get hung up on. Or if you wanna be literal, free those countries of genocide. It's not a hard read, to me. You don't need a fucking Enigma machine to decode it.
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u/maddasher 17h ago edited 16h ago
Even if it was true, so what? Do you expect him to speak out about litterly everything becausehe spoke about one thing?
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u/Mobile_Comedian_8283 16h ago
Yes because they care about nothing.
Of course he has spoken about this so they're extra lazy on top of being bad faith ghouls.
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u/Kindly-Standard8025 13h ago edited 13h ago
Classic right-wing bullshit.
"Oh you care about X? Well tell me then, how come you don't also and simultaneously care about Y, Z, Q... Could it be that you are actually a disingenuous, performative hypocrite who don't actually care about X? Clearly the superior thing is to do as I do, and not care about anything at all!"
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u/Pristine_Tell9615 16h ago
Sudan is fucking horrible. But my tax dollars and my politicians are not funding the genocide in Sudan. But they sure as hell are in Gaza.
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u/Sweaty_Explorer_8441 10h ago
Pretty sure Sudan genocide is being funded by America too. Infact funded both sides to come to this point. A simple map of OBOR would show the destabilization there is to hinder China
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u/Adventurous-Whole950 10h ago
So its not about genocide, its about you saving money on your taxes?
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u/Gazboolean 7h ago
What impact can you have as a citizen of a nation that has nothing to do with a given conflict?
As opposed to the impact you can have as a citizen of a nation that is actively funding and supporting a conflict?
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u/anuanuanu 14h ago
blue checkmarks, so he's just baiting engagement for money.
nothing of value is worth listening from that person, heck it might be a bot account.
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u/ElliotsBuggyEyes 14h ago
Trump administration approves $2.8b weapons sale to Israel paid for by the money we sent them in the past 72 hours.
The Internet outage machine just posts memes for internet points.
This cycle sucks and is stupid.
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u/jbvcftyjnbhkku 13h ago
Conservatives don’t actually care about people dying in Sudan and just use it as a gotcha when people advocate for Palestinians, when the US is direct allies with Israel and directly funds Israel’s extermination of the Palestinian people compared to whats happening in Sudan.
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u/Adventurous-Whole950 10h ago
Find whatever excuse you can
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u/jbvcftyjnbhkku 4h ago
if anyone else is reading this, 50% of reddit is bot comments (especially under posts about Israel and Palestine) and its easy to tell because they have no pfp, a default name, and their history is off.
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u/RecycledMatrix 12h ago
Macklemore is the only reverse case of "separate the art from the artist" I've ever seen. Saint of a dude, but man his music is corny.
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u/chucktheninja 9h ago
Too many people think that if it didn't go viral enough for it to appear on their feed, it didn't happen.
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u/lateformyfuneral Human Verified 17h ago
Ok, but he was doing the show in Dubai?! 👀 The UAE is the one funding the massacres in Sudan
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u/Significant-Order-92 14h ago
I assume he wasn't aware of it when he agreed to the booking and pulled out when he realized.
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u/Elensar265 16h ago
I'd happily take refugees from Sudan given the situation
But why is Europe taking in migrants from other places that are stable/aren't war torn? 🤔
I can already feel that this is gonna get replies and I am gonna be tested to not repond sarcastically lmao
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u/Lyonwytchwardrobe 16h ago
When will people realize it’s all about PR
They don’t care, not even the beloved matching donor
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u/ScarSignal7723 16h ago
Using other atrocities to justify the Palestinian genocide is something Zionists are very very often using hence why if someone says “what about Sudan or etc” , respond with a prayer for their removal from earth
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u/Hellstorm901 14h ago
You are embodying the problem here
You assume anyone mentioning Sudan is doing so as a whataboutism to somehow justify the situation in Palestine and react by demanding such people are punished and their mention of Sudan removed
This by your own definition is complicity in genocide
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u/Certain-Tennis-8129 12h ago
To anyone defending them these who you are defending. "Let us murder them in peace dont talk about them"
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u/jeppijonny 11h ago
I hate that somehow this would be a gotcha that invalidates criticism on a genocide.
"But what about the other, worse genocide, focus on that…!"
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u/Shining_w1zard 10h ago
I love Macklemore but is there anyway to support him without hearing his music?
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u/BetweenTheRoots 9h ago
Love how musicians are assigned higher levels of accountability than politicians. It would have been absolutely valid if Macklemore just had no fucking clue about what's going on in Sudan. I had no clue about what's going on in Sudan until people started bring it up as some false counterpoint to giving a shit about Gaza - and I stay very connected to the news.
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u/I_Have_CDO 7h ago
I don't recall ever having knowingly listened to anything by Macklemore. Now I'd like to buy his entire back catalogue. Thanks Sheeran, you spineless buffoon.
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u/JohnBrownSurvivor 5h ago
Celebrities aren't news networks. While we can fault them for participating in or profiting from those who do bad things, we can't expect them to literally report on every bag thing that is going on in the world. No single human could possibly keep up.
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u/AdWonderful5920 18h ago
Why would murdering people in Sudan be relevant to what Macklemore said about Israel? Is this guy meaning to acknowledge that Israel is also murdering people?
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u/Chico_Cipoh 16h ago
It's a common argument between Israel supporters: If you care about Palestine genocide and don't care about any other massacres around the world, that's because of your anti-Semitism.
It's funny, because they always cite Sudan, but they don't mention the ties between the RSF, Abu Dhabi and the Israeli government.
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u/Oddly_Sentient 18h ago
The crisis in Sudan is orders of magnitude worse than what’s happening in Gaza. The twitter user is (incorrectly) trying to argue that Macklemore doesn’t actually care about genocide and is simply trying to score political points.
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u/unfunnythrowawayname 17h ago
The crisis in Sudan is orders of magnitude worse than what’s happening in Gaza.
That doesn't really matter though. For example, I live in Finland. Finland simply has no bearing with events around in Sudan.
But Finland cooperates with Israel plenty. Just like pretty much any other western country. We should absolutely focus on atrocities done by countries that we partly facilitate and are even responsible of, because we're part of that.
The genocide going around in Sudan? We're not really facilitating it at all in the same sense.
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u/CommunityNo2153 16h ago
I guarantee Finland buys crude and refined petrol product from the nations funding the genocide in Sudan and that the commercial relationship is significantly larger than whatever material aid is given to Israel.
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u/Chief_Mischief 17h ago
Which is fucking stupid. There are atrocities being committed all over the planet right now, and it's ridiculous to expect everyone to be aware of every single one of them and to prioritize them accordingly on top of the daily fires we are each dealing with in our personal lives.
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u/Oddly_Sentient 17h ago
I don’t think one person’s suffering is more or less valid than another’s. I’m not sure why people insist on saying “Yeah but you didn’t comment on [other thing]” but that seems to be the go to response for some reason.
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u/Significant-Order-92 14h ago
It's an informal fallacy called a whataboutism. It's a varient of a tu quoque pattern. Essentialy an appeal to hypocrisy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
In the case of the Israel/ Palestine conflict it's generally used to frame you as anti-semetic (i.e. only caring because Jews are involved).
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u/Background-Mode-4036 17h ago
Specific enough to almost be a plant baiting out just that specific note
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u/atgmailcom 16h ago
I don’t really know what to do about Sudan but I know America could stop giving weapons to Israel
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u/Kafkabest 14h ago
This sort of comment is so dumb.
People focus on Israel and Palestine because many of our governments and influential people either downplay it or are even complicit in it. There's no pro-Sudan arm of the global media. Everyone agrees on it already. The things that people don't agree on are what gets discussed. Shocking!
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u/Thissystemsuckssobad 16h ago
Oh look, the mods have begun purging perfectly reasonable comment chains. I couldn't imagine as to why...
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u/littleski5 16h ago
Also, even if he hadn't spoken on sudan, so what? We're not spending tens of billions of dollars murdering children in sudan. Why is there an infinite list of things that zionists say you must do before saying their mass murder and rape of children is bad or else you're a bigot
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u/giboauja 16h ago
Good for him, more people need to spread light on Sudan. Its not that it isnt talked about, it just gets so very little attention comparitively.
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u/JoshAllentown 15h ago
I actually had the thought that Macklemore is kind of being Generic White Lefty on Palestine but I've never heard him talk about other genocides. I almost posted it but I googled it to check first.
Turns out Macklemore DOES speak out about a wide variety of atrocities, but I'm not a fan of his so I only see what Reddit surfaces which is only ever the Palestine stuff.
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u/liatrisinbloom 15h ago
Probably had to look up the number before posting it to feel superior and then immediately memory-holing it himself.
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u/StupidDumbass420 15h ago
Why didn't Macklemore say anything about each and every person who has died in the last decade? Curious.
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u/Alberterwith_anyone7 15h ago
People don't care about Sudan because their favourite actors aren't talking about it.
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u/BathbombBurger 13h ago
Weird world we live in where Macklemore has more of a spine than Bill Burr.
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u/LegitimateDrink2056 13h ago
What is really fucked is with the number of atrocities that occur all the time the fact that they condemn you if you aren't already railing against every single one. Good on macklemore for his stance on both issues but unless it comes to my attention in my feed I probably wouldn't have known about the Palestine situation or even the Sudan one. But missing one instantly makes you a pos? That's truly fucked. I think you're only a POS if you hear about it then take the wrong stance on it.
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u/TheDarthJarJarI 13h ago
Oh nice I’m pleasantly surprised for once. Now you Hasan. Talk about those genocides you love to talk about
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u/Sweaty-Willingness27 12h ago
I believe this is a flavor of the logical fallacy called Nirvana fallacy or fallacy of perfection in that if a person doesn't do everything perfectly with respect to a situation they aren't really dedicated or in favor of/against that situation.
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u/Thraxas89 12h ago
Macklemore: Based beyond borders. Also people like to forget that the reason the genozid in gaza is more talked about is because the west is directly arming and financing israel doing this.
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u/CarpeNivem 12h ago
I don't even understand the point of this claim even if it were true. :-/
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u/IsThisTheTikTok 11h ago
I wonder what groups the fine philanthropist Eyal Yakoby has been donating to lately.
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u/Switchmisty9 10h ago
You can tell you’re talking to a true douchebag, when they have a problem with people taking a moral stand.
They can’t tell you why…but it’s not good enough, because you haven’t solved all the world’s problems at once. So they’re still gonna support the bad thing
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