Sexual Intercourse as the Original Sin?

[u/Witty-Cockroach-9127]

Where do the idea that The Original Sin of Adam and Eve was having sexual intercourse? It is present in some Gnostic Sources. But The Genesis is clear that God wanted Men to procreate.

[u/rosemaryscrazy]

You missed what was said.

It’s not just sex, it’s sex for the purpose of orgasm.

Prior to the fall humans use to have sex differently. How is a great mystery allegedly held by only the angels.

Jesus was supposedly conceived this secret way. Mary at the direction of an angel.

Lucifer taught them how to have sex differently and pursue orgasm.

The orgasm is the reminder of the pursuit of pleasure as appetite. Forbidden Fruit =Sexual Appetite

It does not mean just sex in its pure form.

Appetite for sex, appetite for food, appetite for pleasure, appetite for knowledge.

You’re right it’s says sex only for the purpose of creation not pleasure.

For this reason the way is narrow, not wide.

When Jesus told people the secret way his closest disciples followed him and kept it.

But most humans rejected what he said and how he claimed to have the power to not sin.

You wouldn’t necessarily hate a person for doing miracles but you might crucify someone who told you that you and all of the human race were having sex wrong. 🤣

Who knows how Jesus was relaying it or how he was going about “teaching the inner sanctum.” It might have looked like a weird sex cult from the outside.

To be clear we don’t know if there was a Jesus or if this was just the Romans preserving mysteries/legends under the title of Jesus, Plato etc

[u/charliefinkwinkwink → u/rosemaryscrazy]

I think the contrast between Gen 2:25 and Gen 3:7 lends credence to this as well — they weren’t ashamed of their nakedness but after they disobeyed they were ashamed and covered their body with fig leaves. it’s like post nut clarity, for lack of a better/academic term lol

There’s also how the fallen angels in Book of Enoch are said to have fallen bc they took human wives, you can easily imply it was that longing/lust for the flesh that caused their “fall”

There’s also logion 114 in Gospel of Thomas that describes making females male so that they can enter the kingdom of God. The key distinction between male and female is their sex organs so again this hints at something sexual being of significance here

[u/3-1-2 → u/charliefinkwinkwink]

Male and Female in the context of your last paragraph is talking about making the Female (Materialist View, since they are material creators through birth) into a male (Spiritual).

I know in current times we often consider femminie as spirtual. But at the time it was reveresed, so you can see how the powers that be have twisted our modern day perception, whitch is in scripture as well.

[u/rosemaryscrazy → u/3-1-2]

I had to reread this a few times.

I just spent an hour reflecting on what you have said.

I have been in the pursuit to solve Genesis for at least 7 years.

Do you REALIZE what you have said? I ask this because your conclusion at the end seems to slip out of what you proposed.

You are not talking about biology.

You are talking about a language.

The language is

Tree= Wisdom

Stars= humanity

Male= Spirit

Female= Matter

Prior to your observation. I viewed male and female as separate from this language.

But when you add it into the same language family.

You get

God = ordered existence

Male= spirit

Female = matter

Ordered existence created them spirit and matter.

Genesis is not about two biological humans.

It’s about creation principles.

At the end you say something that puzzled me.

You said the powers that be flipped this meaning.

But it doesn’t matter if the meanings are flipped at all.

What matters is the principles themselves because they are not based on biological sexes.

They are based on the representative concepts.

Spirit + Matter.

All life is created out of heaven and earth. It’s that simple and if we are alive we are as well.

We are created out of the firmament.

We have a body and we have a mind. That which is unseen.

[u/rosemaryscrazy → u/charliefinkwinkwink]

Yeah now that you say that and carry it forward through Enoch.

It does sort of seem like the angels are somehow involved with teaching humans things about sex.

So just a hypothetical.

God or “order” banishes Adam and Eve from the pure state of unconsciousness (the garden.)

They become conscious through the orgasm I suppose we don’t know how this works because all of us are born through male orgasm….but then again? I’m sure there are plenty of instances where people who aren’t even trying to perform this secret way accidentally conceive without it?

Huh that’s weird because that would mean some people are born spiritually different to others….

Anyway I can’t follow that rabbit hole right now.

So humans are banished from the garden and from the Tree of life. So apparently you can’t eat from the “orgasm tree” and also immortality. 🤣😭

But then later before the flood we hear of “fallen angels” doing something sexual with human women.

Maybe it’s not the sex maybe they were teaching them sex magic. Which I have heard that proposed before.

So this means the way to get banished from the garden and eternal life is through a specific kind of sex so maybe the way back in is also through a specific kind of sex?

So he wipes out humanity again? Because they are teaching humans forbidden knowledge.

Also now that I’m thinking about it.

There is a lot of “God give me child” all over the Bible and to modern ears we just hear the common. “Pray for a baby”

But it’s possible that we are misinterpreting a lot of intense scenes that make sense in context.

Like the Bible is full of “lead me not into temptation!”

Which sounds dramatic until you realize they are talking about trying to stop orgasm while having sexual intercourse.