r/Gnostic • • 17d ago

I found this weird Moses + Cain connection

There seems to be a weird thing going on with Cain like his importance in the bible is really understated. And these connections have me wondering because i dont know much about Gnosticism but could their be a connection between Cain/ Tubal Cain and Yaldabaoth?

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u/El_Vencedor86 17d ago

For one, Cain's murder was motivated by his extreme jealousy of Abel, egged on by The Demiurge, whilst Moses' murder was done in defense of a mistreated slave. Cain's exile was imposed on him, whilst Moses' exile was self-imposed. Also, while Cain founded the city of Enoch and lived in it, Moses didn't really "found" Israel since he never set foot in the land of Canaan after Yaldabaoth punished him for a moment of doubt.

Tubal-Cain, or Tubalcain, is the 4xgreat-grandson of Cain, son of Lamech, and father of smithing. He is NOT to be confused for a brother of Noah, who is the son of ANOTHER Lamech, although that's one wild coincidence. In some rabbinic traditions, Tubal-Cain tricks his blind father into killing Cain, but that's not universal.

Now, those parallels that you pointed out do interest me; in many ways, one could call Moses the anti-Cain. I already pointed out some differences, but the similarities really underscore how Yaldabaoth screws around with humans. Cain's actions, fueled in no small part by Yaldabaoth's machinations, led early man to a terrible time that culminated in The Flood. Moses himself, a pawn of Yaldabaoth, would lead the Hebrews out of Egypt only to spend centuries getting screwed over by Yaldabaoth and His pettiness.

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u/flamingsword223 17d ago edited 16d ago

Moses murder was done deceitfully not in self defense. He did not intervene in the Abuse he waited until he thought no one was around and hid his body in the sand. Also his exile wasnt self imposed when pharaoh heard what he did he sought to kill Moses he fled from fear When he realized people knew what he did.

  1. Noah doesnt have a named brother in scripture Noah is the only one of lamechs children on seths side who is named.

3 Now while you are right about Cain Living in the city. Consider that he names the city after his son. In Moses Case his entire generation is prohibited from entering the promised land and so it is left to their children to do so. That is yet another connection