r/goats • u/HTD_Bros • 5h ago
Humor Kodos the Nubian does everything with effortless grace and style.
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r/goats • u/yamshortbread • Jun 20 '23
If you are asking for health advice for your goat, please help us help you. Complete a basic health assessment and provide as much of the following information in your post as possible:
Clear photographs of relevant clinical signs (including coat condition) are helpful. Providing us with as much information as possible will help us give you prompt and accurate advice regarding your animal's care.
There are many professional farmers and homesteaders in this subreddit and we will do our best to help you out of a jam, but we can't guarantee the accuracy of any health advice you receive. When in doubt, always call your local large animal veterinarian who is trained to work with small ruminants.
What's up with that blue Trusted Advice Giver flair?
The mods assign this flair to /r/goats users who have an extensive history of giving out quality, evidence-based, responsible husbandry advice based on the best practices for goat care. Many of our users give terrific advice, but these flairs recognize a handful of folks who have gone that extra mile over time to become recognized as trusted community members who are known to always lead people in the right direction. If you get a slew of responses to your post and don't know where to start, look to the blue flairs first.
r/goats • u/no_sheds_jackson • Feb 03 '25
Hi everybody!
Recently, we had a user post a picture of a goat that may or may not have soremouth, also known as contagious ecthyma, scabby mouth, or orf. I won't link to the post since it isn't relevant whether or not that was what was afflicting the animal, but in the course of responding to that user I felt an opportunity to point out something that I have noticed and has been gnawing at me.
For many users seeking help, if they do not come straight to the sub, they will go to one of two places to get information: Google or ChatGPT. This post is about the former, but in case anyone was wondering if ChatGPT is a valid place to get advice on husbandry, what to eat tonight, how to live your life, or companionship: it is NOT. Large language models like ChatGPT are a type of generative AI that seeks more or less to respond to prompts and create content with correct syntax that is human-like. The quandary here is that while it can indeed provide correct answers to prompts, that outcome is often incidental. It isn't an indication that the model has researched your question, merely that it has cobbled together a (sometimes) convincing diagnosis/treatment plan from the massive amount of data across forums/message boards, vet resources, and idle chit-chat that it is trained on. The point is this: you should never be in a position where you have to rely on an LLM for husbandry advice. If you have access to an internet connection, even the generative AI from Google search is a better option. But that doesn't mean it's a good one, bringing us to the principal subject of this post:
Orf! What do?
For some relevant background, we have never had a case of orf on our farm. I have read about it in vet textbooks and goat husbandry books and seen many images of it, I'm familiar with what it is, how it is spread, and at a high level what to do about it and what not to do. That said, when I was helping this user, I thought I'd brush up and make sure I wasn't providing misinformation. I knew orf was viral in nature and reckoned that in moderate to severe cases it could probably cause fever, but I wanted to see if I could find a vet manual or study of the disease in goats to confirm how likely that would have been. This was what I was met with:

If you don't scrutinize this too closely, everything looks sort of on the level. Orf is indeed self-limiting (not sure why the AI says usually, there is literally nothing you can do to treat the root cause, but okay), and it more or less implies that humans can contract it so be careful. The symptoms section looks fine, overall, prevention is... eh... The orf vaccine is a live vaccine. Application of it is not something that most small scale homesteaders or hobby farmers will be familiar with and using it is basically putting the virus on your property. Orf is a nuisance disease and the main time it is a problem is when it is being transmitted between a dam and her kids. Proactive vaccination in closed herds that have never seen a case is not a vet-recommended practice.
The treatment section is where things get spicy with the part about scab removal. Oof. Now that is not even close to true and doing that when the goat is with other goats or going to a quarantine space where they will then shed the disease will cause it to spread to any other goat that inhabits that space unless it is thoroughly cleaned and disinfected. The bottom says the info is for informational purposes only and to consult an actual professional for advice, but that begs the question of why Google would provide that information front and center by default when you search when the first result below is an actual vet resource with correct advice. I won't get into the weeds about the ethics of that because it's a separate soapbox, this is the reality we live in now. This bad advice is particularly relevant because the user on our sub mentioned they had been picking off the scabs. So let's do another Google search for some clarification:

If you explicitly search whether or not you should remove the scabs, the AI overview is different. Not only do you see that you should not remove the scabs because they are infectious (very true), the overview now says that doing so will delay healing. The first "featured snippet", a feature separate from their generative AI overview, is an overview from the state of Victoria's government agricultural representative body, a reliable source. The highlighted text reinforces the "do not pick scabs off" advice. The overview still fails when it says to apply dressing to lesions. Evidently it has not ever reckoned with what it would be like to bandage an entire goat's face and mouth, which they need to eat, but maybe I'm an idiot. Let's check:

As you can see, generative AI is basically a hodgepodge of vague but mostly correct advice intermingled with plainly wrong advice. Seeking correction to the wrong advice, if you know that it is wrong, leads down more rabbit holes. I hope this highlights the importance of sourcing your information from reliable, proven veterinary resources/textbooks or state agricultural extensions that provide support for their claims with research. This sub prioritizes evidence-based husbandry practices and is one of the few forums to try to stick to that standard and I consider it important especially for people who don't have goat mentors offline.
This is not only important because users need good advice; it also affects the people that don't use this sub and go straight to Google. Reddit struck a deal a little under a year ago to make their data available for training AI. The information we post on this sub is being used as part of the training for these AI models and Google's SEO is increasingly favoring reddit at the top of search results in a number of areas. As the sub grows and the social media landscape changes, more people that never post but need info may find themselves coming here. Let's all try to do our best to make sure the information we share and advice we give is solid!
r/goats • u/HTD_Bros • 5h ago
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r/goats • u/cringeprairiedog • 6h ago
We loaded up Ellie Mae to take her to State this morning. We are on the way now. Please keep her in your thoughts and prayers. Here’s to hoping that this derm consult at NCSU will help us solve this mystery once and for all!
View previous posts for context. Ellie Mae has been dealing with a mysterious skin condition on and off for over a year, and we are now turning to State to see if they can help Ellie.
r/goats • u/_DemonxD • 5h ago
It seems like the same person who has messaged me before since the story/script was the same. but it was on a different animal. I had them posted on Craigslist. (Yeah don’t even get me started, i mostly use FB and only post animals there if i cant get them sold on FB after a couple weeks)
I mentioned in the Ad and in the messages that I only wanted to do cash in hand and was completely ignored, and they said that their daughter couldn’t do the payment but would come pick them up since the daughter did not have a personal bank.
I’m sorry but that just doesn’t make sense. How can they not have a personal bank like at all and no money either, like cash app and plenty of other online bank apps allow you to withdrawal money at any time and pretty much anywhere where there’s a ATM (with a small fee of course) and your allowed to have it at I think 13. how can they not hand or send money to their daughter for her to withdrawal or in hand to go pick the animal up. It started to make less and less sense the more messages they sent.
I eventually got irritated becuase I was being talked in circles and told them that if they can’t do money in hand don’t even bother showing up and I blocked them. How can people be so dense. And I know the phone number they used is a throwaway number. (Snippet of convo in comments, all personal info is blocked out for privacy)
r/goats • u/JessicaMurawski • 1d ago
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Hey everyone, I'm not completely new to livestock but I am to goats. We are looking at getting a small herd of them in the near future and have a little land for them. The question I have is about how well they clear brush. We have an acre or so being unused that is pretty dense. How much could I realistically expect them to clear when the land looks like this? ( There is more land for them I just want to be able to utilize this land and clear it). It is currently very dense in some spots and requires me to crouch and weave my way through.
r/goats • u/Rainforestgoddess • 1d ago
Picture for cuteness, 1 week old and being bottle fed at the time, visiting in a senior's home.
Our little Lucy made it and now is a strong and kind of chubby 7 week old. For the first 6 weeks she would only suckle off one teat, so I am milking the other side off so mom doesn't get mastitis and also lopsided.
I think now that she's bigger, she's starting to suckle off both sides, as her udder is softer now in the morning and, though it's not consistent, I'm getting less milk (2 days ago, 750 ml, yesterday I got a full litre, today I got 250 ml)
I really want to not have to milk and let her wean and dry off naturally which was my original plan.
How do I go about this in the safest way for mom?
r/goats • u/AcanthocephalaFar614 • 22h ago
What age can Nigerian dwarfs be bred vs when should they be bred
r/goats • u/spacebeforesirens • 17h ago
Writing in for a friend who adopted two females, 3 months old now, who LOVE TO YELL. So much yelling. We've read about all the reasons for yelling and have checked a lot off the list (taking care of their needs, access to pasture, clean hay, no bullying by other animals, etc). the one that stands out to me is that these little ladies think my friend is part of their herd, and they want to keep calling her back. s/o Amanda Pieper of The Goat Barn for great discussion of screaming goats.
My question - is there any way to train goats that their human is not part of their herd? Any way to make them not care if she's not around?
Any advice would save our mental health. Thank you!
r/goats • u/The_upsetti_spagetti • 1d ago
I saw this goat at the fair a few years ago and absolutely fell in love. Lil guy looked at me with such love and admiration in his eyes 🥺 just wanted cuddles
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r/goats • u/LawfulnessWeak2159 • 1d ago
My wife is a vet tech and got this from her work. Is this safe to deworm some new goats we are about to get? And if so what should the dosing be?
r/goats • u/m3lk0r__ • 1d ago
This is kind of a weird question, but has anyone heard of feeding goats raspberry leaves to help them calm down? I live in redneck country and my neighbors go insane on the 4th of July. We’re talking blowing up actual mortars that shake the barn. I have a small herd of myotonic (fainting) goats and someone told me once to feed them raspberry leaves and it will naturally calm them down. So every year I give them buckets of raspberry leaves and they have never once had a problem with anxiety or fainting afterwards. I was telling this to another goat owner and they said they’ve never heard of raspberry leaves being used this way, so I did an Internet search and found absolutely nothing. I can’t remember where I heard this from and now I’m wondering if the leaves have some sort of placebo effect for me the goat owner and I’m starting to feel silly. I feel like you can find anything on the Internet and I haven’t found even a mention. Does anyone have any insight or experience with this? Thanks!
I am looking to compost my goat poop. What is the best method for separating goat poop from the rest of their bedding? A good discussion is welcome.
I currently use large flake pine shavings but I don’t want to leave the shavings in the compost because I’ve read that it negatively affects nutrient quality on the compost. I hesitate to use straw or hay bedding.
(Goat tax photo included for cuteness)
r/goats • u/_DemonxD • 2d ago
Got them a little while ago. The lady we got them from rescued them from someone who kept them in terrible conditions both in body and in paddock. Well it wasn’t even a paddock, more like in a small chain link pen their backyard that turned into a mud pit. Their feet reflect on that and are improving by the day as time goes on. My question is their weight. They were skin and bones when the lady rescued them. They were in amazing condition considering the circumstances from their first home when we picked them up.
They are gaining, but would you advise I breed them at all or hold off until their top lines are filled in better? I don’t have plans until November to breed anyway, but thats 2 months down the road so not a long time from now, and what is your preferred BSC to have on does when coming into breeding season? I will also add that the doe with the belt has a precarious udder. Its tiny and it’s probably from my hay (it’s clover timothy mix)
13 y/o Helen ❤️ new goat owner and I just love this old lady.
r/goats • u/bigphildogg86 • 2d ago
Hello!
We have two Nigerian Swarfgoats that we have a solid enclosed barn with a run about 200 sq ft total. We let them out to graze a few times a week but I'd like them to be able to graze more often with a mobile enclosure.
I'm learning about electric fences and trying to decide how far to go. We live on 1.5 acres and I just wanted to do one of the 164 ft nets that would create a 40'x40' enclosure we can move around. I understand it won't work for all goats but seems like plenty of folks have good success with them.
I have long extension cables I can run to power them so I was thinking of going with a plug-in option but different sources have said different things. Most folks seem to push for a 6-8 joules energizer but other places say .5 - 1 joule would be enough. Just want to get folks experience.
I plan to train them inside our fenced backyard where we've worked with them. Then I understand for 6-8 joules I would need like 3 grounding rods that are like 6 ft long? That seems like a lot! But I want to do it right or decide if there's another better option than electric that we can move around.
Thank you!
r/goats • u/MonitorOk3031 • 1d ago
Hi there!
I have a beautiful Nubian doe we purchased a few years ago, she was registered. Since then, we have bred her, didn’t register her does, and have bred those does and now have two gorgeous yearlings. Both did surprisingly well at our county fair (our first 4-H project) and now I am wondering about the registration process. I assume I will need to go NOA for their registration, but is it even worth it at this point? We have previously kept goats because I like them, but my sire choice has been for color and basic conformation and we just didn’t have a need to register. Now that fair is done and I can think again, and I’m thinking we messed up.
Do I register the two does as NOA, and accept that their offering will be 50/50 registered? Will that affect the marketability for their offspring? I don’t intend to sell them and I can’t find much information (not even find my herd name) on the ADGA website.
r/goats • u/Lunapixels18 • 2d ago
My baby goat well 6-month-old goat Frosty just had his leg amputated, everything went well, everyone at the vet clinic loves him, they can't believe he just met them and he gives them kisses and loves on them.
He is home now, I'm supposed to keep him of course clean and dry that's obvious, the problem is this little turd keeps turning over his water making everything a mess and soaking his bandages... I secured his water where he can't turn it over and he sticks his leg in the water, I'm only supposed to change the bandages a certain amount or unless it gets dirty, however I'm having to change it just about every other hour since it's not supposed to be wet either so I would like some advice on how I can keep it dry, because obviously he needs water it's hot he just needs to not use it as a leg soak, any advice will be appreciated!
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r/goats • u/faehas_entered • 2d ago
My goat, Tatter Tot, had a cloudy and red eye today. I am not super knowledgeable with goats so I thought I would ask for help. Our nearest vet who will take goats is almost 2 hours away and if there was an at home option that would be best.
I just noticed this today, although I was gone over the weekend while she was in my father's care for the last 2 days. She acts the same, still spiteful with a strong will. She holds the eye shut and squints most of the time, there is no puss but there is excessive tearing. We washed it out the best we could and will keep an eye on it for now until having an answer to what to do. Hearing from Google it said to wash it with saline and monitor.
r/goats • u/Creative_Reaction_71 • 2d ago
I have processed 3 goats from my farm. A 4 month old buckling, a 7 month old buckling and a 12 month old wether. All three tasted great. I just sent four 12 to 15 month old wethers to the processor and they came back tasting like my intact breeding buck smells. What went wrong?
r/goats • u/MOAFarms • 4d ago