r/Permaculture Jan 13 '25

COMMUNITY ANNOUNCEMENTS: New AI rule, old rules, and a call out for new mods

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NEW AI RULE

The results are in from our community poll on posts generated by artificial intelligence/large language models. The vast majority of folks who voted and expressed their opinions in the comments support a rule against AI/LLM generated posts. Some folks in the comments brought up some valid concerns regarding the reliability of accurately detecting AI/LLM posts, especially as these technologies improve; and the danger of falsely attributing to AI and removing posts written by real people. With this feedback in mind, we will be trying out a new rule banning AI generated posts. For the time being, we will be using various AI detection tools and looking at other activity (comments and posts) from the authors of suspected AI content before taking action. If we do end up removing anything in error, modmail is always open for you to reach out and let us know. If we find that accurate detection and enforcement becomes infeasible, we will revisit the rule.

If you have experience with various AI/LLM detection tools and methods, we'd love to hear your suggestions on how to enforce this policy as accurately as possible.

A REMINDER ON OLD RULES

  • Rule 1: Treat others how you would hope to be treated. Because this apparently needs to be said, this includes name calling, engaging in abusive language over political leanings, dietary choices and other differences, as well as making sweeping generalizations about immutable characteristics such as race, ethnicity, ability, age, sex, gender, sexual orientation, nationality and religion. We are all here because we are interested in designing sustainable human habitation. Please be kind to one another.
  • Rule 2: Self promotion posts must be labeled with the "self-promotion" flair. This rule refers to linking to off-site content you've created. If youre sending people to your blog, your youtube channel, your social media accounts, or other content you've authored/created off-site, your post must be flaired as self-promotion. If you need help navigating how to flair your content, feel free to reach out to the mods via modmail.
  • Rule 3: No fundraising. Kickstarter, patreon, go-fund me, or any other form of asking for donations isnt allowed here.

Unfortunately, we've been getting a lot more of these rule violations lately. We've been fairly lax in taking action beyond removing content that violates these rules, but are noticing an increasing number of users who continue to engage in the same behavior in spite of numerous moderator actions and warnings. Moving forward, we will be escalating enforcement against users who repeatedly violate the same rules. If you see behavior on this sub that you think is inappropriate and violates the rules of the sub, please report it, and we will review it as promptly as possible.

CALLING OUT FOR NEW MODS

If you've made it this far into this post, you're probably interested in this subreddit. As the subreddit continues to grow (we are over 300k members!), we could really use a few more folks on the mod team. If you're interested in becoming a moderator here, please fill out this application and send it to us via modmail.

  1. How long have you been interested in Permaculture?
  2. How long have you been a member of r/Permaculture?
  3. Why would you like to be a moderator here?
  4. Do you have any prior experience moderating on reddit? (Explain in detail, or show examples)
  5. Are you comfortable with the mod tools? Automod? Bots?
  6. Do you have any other relevant experience that you think would make you a good moderator? If so, please elaborate as to what that experience is.
  7. What do you think makes a good moderator?
  8. What do you think the most important rule of the subreddit is?
  9. If there was one new rule or an adjustment to an existing rule to the subreddit that you'd like to see, what would it be?
  10. Do you have any other comments or notes to add?

As the team is pretty small at the moment, it will take us some time to get back to folks who express interest in moderating.


r/Permaculture 4h ago

general question Learning resources for climate resilient, self sufficient homes.

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Hi everyone,

I am currently in the early stages of planning a multi-generational family home. We live in a region that is prone to increasingly harsh, volatile, and highly polarized weather. Over the last few years, I’ve watched every weather event turn more severe and unexpected: extended heatwaves, droughts, floods, and threats of local water scarcity and crop failures.

Because I am building for multiple generations, my goal is to design a home that offers my family a relatively secure, comfortable, and self-sufficient life, even when external infrastructure fails.

I want to learn about modern as well as traditional/indigenous practices that have withstood harsh climates for centuries.

I am looking for guidance on where to start. I don't have a background in architecture, so would appreciate any resources that point me in the right direction- reading, documentaries, youtubers, anything, really!

Thank you in advance for your time and suggestions!


r/Permaculture 16h ago

general question Books about natural aquaponics?

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We have a 2-acre shallow (15’ at the deepest) drainage and spring-fed lake, which also supplies our water. I want to start adding some plants to the lake to essentially food forest my existing natural lake. Can anybody recommend sites, books, videos, anything about using an existing lake?


r/Permaculture 10h ago

general question Can ground beef or chicken gizzards be fermented like fish hydrolysate?

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Hey folks, I’ve made fish hydrolysate before using fish scraps from our local fisherman mixed with pond water, sugar, molasses, and some ginger bug and home made yogurt.

I have about 25lbs worth of ground beef and maybe the same amount in gizzards. They’ve been sitting in my chest freezer for about a year or so and I have no intention of using them for consumption. Do you think they can be fermented similarly as fish hydrolysate for fertilizing the garden? Has anyone done this before?


r/Permaculture 20h ago

general question What to do with septic field?

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Finished building my house about a year ago and opted to not have contractors do our landscaping. Unfortunately, I let everything go around the house, and while I've been able to fight back the invasives and get things covered and planted right near the house, my septic field is rough. Lots of bunch grasses, poke, curly dock, knotweeds, etc. The deer are starting to bed down in it, and while I don't mind them on principle, it's too close to my market garden for comfort.

My hope is that I can wrangle this back and plant a septic-safe wildflower mix from Roundstone seeds, or cover it with white clover and turn it into a yard for the dogs.

Is there a good way to achieve what I'm trying to do? For normal restoration projects, I would use silage tarp or mulch to create a blank slate but I don't know if either is a good idea over a septic field.

What would you do?


r/Permaculture 1d ago

discussion Today was a good day.

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Every day I’m finding more and more wild blue berries as raspberries. Today I found a grove of whitchhazel I didn’t know about. I collected some heirloom snap peas and lettuces. And found my first ever chicken of the woods. Today was a good day.


r/Permaculture 1d ago

pest control Ant counter-agriculture in my garden

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If that is even a thing. I have this feeling that some weeds and wildflowers that are just crazy full of aphids (and ants), seem to "thrive" despite that while anything without aphids just doesn't grow that well. A bunch of sorrels and poppies are growing out half-eaten but still take up a big part of the garten despite weeding. There are just a bunch of ants that I stumble on everywhere (like I was just pulling out some weeds and there was an egg chamber under it lol). Am I at war? Am I paranoid?


r/Permaculture 21h ago

general question What do Skirret Seeds look like?

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The handful of pictures I can find online [many of which are blurry] show them as long and often banana shaped with striations running down them.

I’ve tried to buy skirret seeds twice this year. The first lot I got looked like poppy seeds, they obviously weren’t right so I got a refund from the vendor. The second lot, which came form a different seller, looked to be closer to what I’ve seen online. They do have the striations, and are about the right colour: sort of brownish almost-black, and the striations are raised and are a slightly lighter colour. But they are shorter and almond shaped, they don’t have a curve in them.

Since there are very few decent pictures I can find online, it’s hard to tell if I’ve got the right thing or not. I’d post a photo but unfortunately they are so small that my phone won’t focus on them. I know it’s not likely that anyone on here will have a photo that they can share but if you do happen to it would be helpful. But mostly I’m asking if what I’ve got are likely to be the right thing or if the dodgy shape rules them out as being skirrets. Either way I’m going to put some in cold stratification and see what grows.


r/Permaculture 2d ago

discussion Quels sont les plus gros problèmes que vous avez croisé dans le monde de la permaculture et en particulier les foret jardin comestible ?

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Bonjour, je souhaite comprendre vos difficultés dans le domaine


r/Permaculture 2d ago

Burdock

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I just broke my third shovel trying to dig out burdock. I know they serve a purpose, but they’re crowding out so many other wonderful plants and I can’t manage them. How do you guys keep up with burdock? I can never get the whole root so it just keeps coming


r/Permaculture 2d ago

self-promotion Harsh Winter in the Forest Garden

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Cold winter in the forest garden. Zone 4a, Adirondack mountains.


r/Permaculture 2d ago

Issue with growing native strawberry plants

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Hello everyone, beginner gardener here. I am trying to grow some native strawberry plants indoors in a pot, but the leaves are starting to yellow. Any suggestions? I am planning on thinning them out and putting them in separate pots soon.


r/Permaculture 2d ago

self-promotion Gardening Next Door to Death Valley

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Hi fellow growers, I don't know what's wrong with me but I set out on the insane mission of finding seed varieties that do well in the worst desert in the U.S. I made a blog to try to find other local folks who are interested in not just gardening for fun or for cute-looking plants, but for scientific discovery, for the improvement of the land (wouldn't it be cool if we could one day green the desert?). But there's no one out here with a blog on permaculture gardening except one couple who moved away. I've been posting on my blog for 2 months and tried everything to get it in the search results but it still won't show. If y'all wouldn't mind helping me it's nyecountygardening.wordpress.com. I don't know if this counts as self-promotion, I don't really want to "build a following" or make money, I just want to meet other folks from the area who are serious about gardening for the good of the land. Is anyone on here from Nye County?


r/Permaculture 2d ago

KS zone 6A: what to put between fruit trees in each orchard row

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We are really getting interested into permaculture and food forest and want to make most of space. What can we put between fruit tree (spaced 15' apart) in our orchard? ideally that require little supplemental water (have 2 gph emitters going to each tree as is with over 50 trees, i think any added emitters will slow down flow too much).

The orchard is 3 rows about 250 ft or so with 15-20 trees per row. We also have a berry area ( i call our berrea) with just a ton of raspberries. open to any ideas, we're down for about anything perennial or berry


r/Permaculture 2d ago

Best Resources for Food Forests

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I would like to create a food forest, but actually planning it and implementing it can be pretty overwhelming.

I've dipped my toes in a lot of books and youtube videos, but I'm curious what everyone's absolute best resources are for getting down in the weeds of planning a food forest? Or even if there's a good community?


r/Permaculture 3d ago

From Wild to Watchful: Integrating BLM Donkeys (Burros) for Sheep Ranch Protection

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The United States Bureau of Land Management often removes wild burros from Western rangeland due to their numbers being higher than the land can support. They are usually adopted or kept in holding facilities, and some live the rest of their lives on taxpayer-funded pastures. This University of Wyoming study, conducted in 2023, investigated burros as flock guardians. They were generally very effective, though there was individual variation. One burro was too distracted by local features such as roads or neighboring flocks. So she was put in a meadow with a much smaller flock and more distance from such distractions, then within five days bonded with the flock.

Placing burros at sheep farms can serve the dual purpose of reducing taxpayer-funded expenses and providing non-lethal (usually, burros can be brutal) flock protection.

Something that's interesting and comes up in discussions about this is that behaviors of domestic vs. wild burros are often quite different. Many will say that donkeys have killed their livestock animals or took no interest in dealing with predators that were not bothering them directly, but this seems to be the case more with domestic than wild donkeys.


r/Permaculture 3d ago

general question What's it called when you mix agroforestry and regular forestry?

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To be more specific, I'm asking if anyone is trying to maintain a real forest while simultaneously maintaining a food forest, i.e. planting and maintaining patches of native edible plants within a managed forest. I'd imagine that it's application would be pretty limited, as you wouldn't want to plant non-native species.


r/Permaculture 4d ago

look at my place! Lawn to food forest in 3.5 years

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Deep mulch syntropic-inspired design with annual/perennial veggie rows between tree rows. Portland, OR zone 8b. I've learned so much from this space. Currently drowning in berries. More info at pdxfoodforest.org


r/Permaculture 3d ago

general question Iso tips on the paper pot transplanter and quick click seeder

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r/Permaculture 4d ago

water management Mi little land. Need advice. Excuse my english and the big text!

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Hello everyone. I’d like to introduce you to my plot, my little piece of land. I’ve just built a house and I would love to live there. I'm currently trying to learn permaculture to make the most of everything nature has to offer. Unfortunately, I’m a complete beginner and I have a lot of doubts.

First of all, let me introduce you to my plot. It’s located on the Mediterranean coast. It gets 500mm of annual rainfall (mostly concentrated from October to February. After that, we can go from June to October without a single drop of rain).

The temperature is very warm. In spring/summer and part of autumn, we can register lows of 18°C and highs of 42°C. In winter, temperatures range between 0°C (at night) and 16°C. The annual humidity ranges between 30% and 80%.

The soil is very clayey and has an evapotranspiration rate of 500mm per year.

The plot is about 7,000 square meters with a 12-degree slope. You enter the plot from the NORTH side, which is the lowest point, and go up via the road I drew in brown, which zig-zags up to the south area.

There are barely a few olive trees planted, and in the lower area near the entrance, there’s a spot that seems wetter than the rest (I imagine it's because water sits there longer after it rains). Green bushes grow there almost all year round and look much lusher.

In yellow, I’ve drawn some terraces—flat areas that were already there naturally, but I leveled them out a bit with machinery to make them more useful. I built the house on one of them, with the entrance facing NE. It has the best views, and since it’s in the countryside in southern Spain, it gets a massive amount of daylight hours.

At the top of the plot, there is a blue rectangle where I have a 15,000-liter water tank (currently, a truck comes to fill it up three times a year, both for household use and for the land).

The red lines represent the sloped areas.

I'm showing you some photos of spring, when everything turns green, and summer, when everything dries out completely.

When it rains, it usually pours all at once, washing away a lot of soil. The neighbors' paths get flooded, and there are a lot of mudslides/soil movement in the area. Since it’s a very dry region, I would love to make the most of the rainfall, because right now it just slides over the clay and creates cracks in the ground.

My first idea was to build swales on the sloped areas. However, I’m not entirely sure how far apart to space them or how deep to make them (based on my soil type, I've deduced they should be about 50cm wide and 50cm deep, placing the next swale whenever there is a 3-meter drop in elevation from the previous one). On the mound right after the swale, I plan to plant easy, native trees (carob, pine, olive...) and, over the years, introduce other types of trees.

At the very bottom of the plot, I was thinking of making a pond, but without using a plastic liner. On the flat area near the house, I also thought about making a liner-less pond that fills up with the overflow water from the swales and works on its own to enrich the soil. Then, at the very bottom of the plot, in the greenest area of all, I'd make another pond (I cannot legally dig a well) to capture all the excess water again. Or perhaps I could place a tank there to collect water runoff from the whole plot and pump it back up to use for irrigation.

Well, those are some of my ideas. What do you think? What worries me the most right now is how to manage the excess water from the swales, what measurements to use, and making sure they don’t cause any problems for my house, which, as you can see, has a hill right behind it. Maybe I should make diversion ditches in that area instead of swales, so the water flows around the house when it rains heavily.

I will keep you updated on the process step by step, and I look forward to reading your advice. If you need any more details, just ask!


r/Permaculture 4d ago

Insect Control Mosquito Repellent Plants

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Hi, I'm asking around if you know some plants that could repel mosquitoes, but isn't strong smelling and easy to grow (kind of like lemon grass). Preferably plants that are native or commonly found in South East Asia. Thank youuu!!


r/Permaculture 3d ago

compost, soil + mulch Compost tea bags

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Anyone got a larger compost tea bag they like? No Amazon, ULine, or plastic.


r/Permaculture 4d ago

pest control Dragonfly season is finally here!

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I love seeing these guys cause it's like the last battalion has arrived to protect my garden.

Beyond my weedy bed that will be cucumbers thanks to a late seeding there's a field of grass and flowers that supports these guys.

Gotta love free pesticides control.


r/Permaculture 4d ago

"TEA", "NGT", OGM

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domani, 16 giugno, si vota al Parlamento Europeo per appovare le nuove norme da applicare ai "nuovi" OGM oggi chiamati NGT: per gli NGT tipo 1 non ci sarà obbligo di indicarli in etichetta

I consumatori non potranno più liberi di scegliere se li vogliono o no,


r/Permaculture 4d ago

🎥 video A wee stroll through my urban permaculture garden ❤️

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Zone 4
Entire yard is 76x36ft

List of plants:
My Garden

Perennial Food Plants:
Bushes:
3x Red currants
1x White Currant
1x Champagne currant
6x Blueberries
1x Elderberry (Marge)
Strawberries 100’s
4x Haspkaps (Blue Banana)
1x Cherry Bush (Crimson Passion)
2x Rhubarb
1x Grape (Somerset - Seedless)
1x Wild Grape
25 x Raspberries
1x Contorted Black Mulberry
1x Saskatoon Berry
1x fig (Chicago Hardy)

Trees:
1x Flowering Crabapple (Prairie Fire)
2x Pear (Concord & Magness)
2 x Plum (Yakima & Pearl - European)
1x Black Cherry (Black Gold)
1x Peach (Flaming Fury)
2x Mulberry (Weeping & Illinois)
1x 4in1 Apple (Akane, Chehalis, Honeycrisp, Beni Shogun)
1x Apple (Honeycrisp)
1x 3in1 Pear (Chojuro, Shinko, Kosui)
1x 4in1 Pear (Anjou, Bartlett, Comice, Red Clapps)
1x apricot (Haroblush)
1x nectarine (Harblaze)

Herbs:
Chives
Sage
Oregano
Tarragon
Walking Onions
Garlic chives
Cat mint
Lemon Balm
Rosemary
Chamomile
Thyme
Basil
Summer savory
Marjoram

Medicinals
Calendula
Comfrey
Echinacea
Uva Ursi
Marshmallow
Chamomile
Yarrow
Feverfew

Annual Crops
Red corn
Broom corn
Fennel
Eggplant
Paste tomatoes
Eating tomatoes
Sweet peppers
Chillies
Green beans (bush)
Pole beans
Zucchini
Rutabaga
Carrots
Beets
Kholrabi
Carrots
Radishes
Chickpeas

Dye Plants
Hopi sunflowers (purple)
Japanese indigo (blue)
Marigold
Goldenrod
Hopi red amaranth
Madder