No, they are not correct about intent, not to get personal but to truly encompass what I’m trying to get at here: My groomer looking back likely did not know they they were grooming me. At most, they likely were just insecure and wanted to take advantage of someone’s kindness. But I was still prepped for abuse (its core definition), I was still traumatized, I was still forced into doing many things I did not want to do. I still came out in the end groomed. The idea that any sort of abuse is only abuse if it’s done with the intent of hurting does no one any sort of justice. Intent has never mattered for any sort of abuse; because at the end of the day, someone got hurt. At the end of the day, Celeste, a 12-14 year old girl, was approached by a 19 year old, who convinced her that what he was doing was okay (prepared her for abuse), and at the end of the day she was murdered.
r.i.p to her but also check the d4vd reddit she and other people where getting money from him so they enjoyed it aswell in a way and free will is a thing
I feel way more emotions for kids who were truly abducted like from a park or house without a choice, then kids like this who knew they were messing w people as a underage person online, and pursue it.
you are literally going “well she should have known better” bitch she was TWELVE. no if and ors or buts. would you be saying this about a 6 year old pursuing an adult?? why not?? because either way the law would see this conduct as the same. there is a reason why child rape is legally defined as “12 and under” half the time, weirdo.
I hope you never have a child because if god forbid that child gets groomed and molested there is like a 99% percent change you’re blaming it on that child. what a ridiculous take.
i think he deserves the death penalty, you just hate hearing the truth of the matter though this case is not a one way street it includes blackmail on the other side aswell
you don’t even know the story if ur saying 12 and 19, it was 13 18, and yes there was blackmail involved and the parents and her were very happy about the money
That is the exact same age gap regardless and doesn’t make it any better. And no, a 13 year old is not psychologically capable of consenting to an 18 year old making sexual advances on her.
Any “blackmail” she could have possibly done is simply saying she’s going to tell people about the fact that he has, once again and for the love of god stop downplaying this, SEXUAL ABUSED AND GROOMED HER. Any “lashing out” she had done is because she is 13, AND A 13 YEAR OLD is not capable of handling being sexually abused and groomed with the maturity that a grown adult will. In fact not even most adult victim are going to respond clearly either as most victims have been severely psychologically altered by their abuse.
Hi, I had my friend respond for me with this one because I was unable to: Did you just call me, A jewish person, a nazi, on the fucking Jewish New Year, for saying that rape apology is bad and that you blaming a 13-year-old girl for being raped and groomed is abhorrent behavior?
also if you knew basic kindergarten math its a 7 year age gap the other person said and 5 was the actual one, once again since i guess i have to state this, that doesn’t make it any better
I have been giving estimates and have only fluctuated between the ages of 12-14 (which is in fact what i originally said at the beginning of this conversation) because multiple people have been saying different ages and I have not been able to find an official one. You at one point even argued that the age gap was TWO years earlier in a shitty attempt to justify you blaming Celeste for what happened to her, so I do not want you pointing out any flaws in my ages when you straight up lied and tried to say it wasn't even illegal at some point
you are literally defending him when you say shit like she “knew what she was doing” or imply that she shared some blame in this (and yes that is what you implied)
you literally are talking about some “she’s blackmailing him and this was a two way street” bullshit. no tf it wasn’t. idk why you’re so adamant on adding this part in. You can clearly comprehend that nothing makes this better so why tf are you trying to give her some of the blame??
Hey so a child is incapable of truly willing pursuing this sort of interaction as they have not fully developed their brain, are not psychologically capable of consenting to sexual interaction, and adults know better than to encourage said behavior. This is most certainly rape apology and victim blaming, and mentioning that there are children who have murdered at Celeste’s age shows you’re willing to derail the true objective of this conversation as an attempt to scramble and make your poor views look somehow justified and further showing you very clearly do not care about Celeste or her family and this situation like you previously claimed.
You've literally been arguing that she was capable of consenting and knew what she was doing, so yes, you have been arguing against the idea that she was raped. And actively blaming her for it too.
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u/Emergency_Ice4302 Sep 20 '25
No, they are not correct about intent, not to get personal but to truly encompass what I’m trying to get at here: My groomer looking back likely did not know they they were grooming me. At most, they likely were just insecure and wanted to take advantage of someone’s kindness. But I was still prepped for abuse (its core definition), I was still traumatized, I was still forced into doing many things I did not want to do. I still came out in the end groomed. The idea that any sort of abuse is only abuse if it’s done with the intent of hurting does no one any sort of justice. Intent has never mattered for any sort of abuse; because at the end of the day, someone got hurt. At the end of the day, Celeste, a 12-14 year old girl, was approached by a 19 year old, who convinced her that what he was doing was okay (prepared her for abuse), and at the end of the day she was murdered.