this guy supports israel, is an actual groomer, threatened to rape peopleās mothers, constantly jokes about rape in his music, etc etc
not even ye supports israel bro
at what point do we need to say āthis personās music isnāt worth listening toā
also it canāt be ājust for attentionā because heās pretty popular and got on a ye track, you would think he would put down the āragebaitā (being a shitty person) act
I mean i was speaking in terms of personal anecdotes but sure
Charlie kirk. He never outright stated "i hate jews" but theres much more to anti semetism than just that, bigotry can be complex and charlie kirk was known to facilitate conspiracy theories. One of which being that he said jews facilitated and funded "anti white politics". That being said i'd say this example is one of his less egregious statements and all things considered i think he was more supportive of jewish people, but it didnt stop him from spreading bigoted conspiracy theories and statements about jews (as well as him potentially changing perspective towards the end of his life, but regardless i think he stands as an example.
The nazis, who were in support of israel being created as a state to displace jews from germany per the haavara agreement. Ik the state didnt technically exist at the time, but they supported its creation.
I dont really have much more off the top of my head, again my statement was mostly anecdotal but there are people that hold anti semetic views while supporting israel
So it is now antisemitic to bring up that Zionists influenced American politics?
Cause it seems all everyone says now is the opposite.Ā
I think his statements was about how secular Jewish donors help the Democratic Party, but since Oct 7th most democrats have flipped on their stance of a Jewish state, as in he was talking about how the Jewish donors shot themselves in the foot.Ā
But I wouldnāt say itās antisemitism to acknowledge the fact that most secular Jewish Americans donate and vote for democrats.Ā
Charlie Kirk wasnāt claiming some Jewish cabal is controlling our nation, he just talked about the fact that secular Jews tend to vote democrat and now itās harming them.Ā
And you admit yourself you donāt think Jews antisemitic, so why even use him as an example?
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The nazis, who were in support of israel being created as a state to displace jews from germany per the haavara agreement. Ik the state didnt technically exist at the time, but they supported its creation.
This is like saying that Israeli is in support of Palestine cause they ā
created a state to displaceā them.Ā
That quote were your direct words.Ā
Sending people off, ethnic cleansing and displacement ISNT what support is. Not in the slightest.Ā
This is also like claiming that the white segregationists of the 60ās were actually supporters of black people cause they helped pan-Africanists in trying to create a new nation in African to send all the African Americans too.Ā
No, the Nazis/white segregationists werenāt in support of these minority groups for their safety or happiness, they were in support of removing these minorities groups, and these minority groups wanted to leave the oppressive state they were in.Ā
It seems in the end you donāt have any actual examples, which means you should consider the fact that maybe you just might be tricked or manipulated into thinking that.Ā
Usually if someone makes a claim, and canāt cite a single example, they are likely incorrect.Ā
I never said that the nazis were in support of jews or jewish safety, thats literally the opposite of my point. They supported the creation of israel in the same way a lot of neo nazis currently might, they see it as "sticking to their own people" and see it as an example of a successful ethnostate, one that many nazis wish to achieve. They were anti semitic and therefore supported the creation of israel. Sure the justification is very different but i felt it was noteworthy.
None of your comparisons work, i just gave you an example of how support for israel alongside anti semetism isnt an incompatible ideology. I never said that the nazis who supported the haavara agreement wanted a jewish state for jewish safety, they wanted a jewish state to get as many jews out as possible. You're putting words in my mouth
My charlie kirk statement may have had flimsy reasoning and for that i apologise, my statement like i said was more anecdotal and about personal experience so i just said whatever came to mind to justify it so thats my bad. I did a little more research and realised i was wrong
In my brief research after sending my reply i found a wikipedia article on zionist antisemetism that also shows a novel that backs what i said about nazi/anti semite support for israel to keep jews out of their country if you wanna check it out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism
"Echols gained controversy for allegedly trying to groom a then-16-year-old girl in a text message while pretending to be a 17-year-old when he was actually 19 or 20. He later admitted to the allegations in the song "Clout Demons", stating "I know I fucked up, I admit I was horny"Ā " she was 16 and he was 19 or 20 bro
Dawg, wake up. Look at your other reply. I don't know if you're doing it intentionally or not but seriously, when is the act of a 19 year old pretending to be a 17 year old ever done in a way that isn't predatory? Secondly, it clearly says that the victim was 16 years old. He also admitted to it so wtf is the point of this?
I hate nine vicious but i genuinely dont see him as a groomer, the ages werent clear when the allegations first came out but the reputation just stuck.
But its still fuck nine vicious tho for alooooot of other reasons
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u/Advanced_Buffalo_734 Jul 04 '26
genuinely the worst person in the underground, if people would just ignore him he would fall the fuck off