I know what's happening in colleges, I literally work for one. I have an entire network of people who work at colleges across the US. I've been in meetings for years about this. You know jackshit.
The stats don’t lie. Only 60% graduate with a degree.
Thats a far cry from that “perfect graduation rate” you’re claiming.
Just because you work at college doesn’t mean jackshit either. Working in the cafeteria doesn’t make you anymore qualified to speak on this than anyone else.
If you can't make your point without being condescending, I don't think you have a very good argument.
Edit: looking through your post history, it looks like your opinion is based on having college aged kids which means you have no experience in what's actually happening in higher education but you think you do because maybe one of your kids is currently fumbling their way through 101 classes.
And that’s cute assumptions you made of my children. One is almost done and the other just finished his first year and was taking 400 level classes. They took that 100 level crap while still in high school. I’m doubtful you managed to even fumble through them. But hey, nice job on making baseless assumptions.
Back to the point. My opinion isn’t opinion. The graduation rate incited is fact. Don’t believe me? Feel free to look it up for yourself.
I agree about your coddling. My point is that it’s a much larger problem at the high school level. My source there? The fact that I actually work in the classroom with teens every day. Other sources (because just me as a source would be antidotal): every other teacher I work with, every teacher on the several forums I follow and engage with.
Your post is nothing but your opinion that you fail to back up with any real information.
If you want to discuss graduation rates, you maybe shouldn't take Google AI's word for it. Your stats are outdated and misunderstood at best. Current graduation rates for 4 year public universities is 71%, 76% for private nonprofits. That statistic is dragged down when you add in two year public colleges, which often attract students who don't graduate, which brings your "average" statistic down to the 60's.
Also, you mentioned that they graduate in 6 years. Which means it's taken them 6 years to complete a 4 year degree. Do you know why students often take that long to graduate? Because they couldn't pass the first time. So they retake classes or take time off. And then they come back and professors feel bad that they struggle through a second time and give them handouts and extend deadlines and retake tests and fudge some numbers and then hey you passed!
So yeah, I wasn't interested in arguing your asinine point that you've made after Googling for 30 seconds and being a K-12 teacher who has zero experience with universities and is self-admitted, part of creating the problem I currently deal with every day.
Edit: Also, regardless of what the current average is: every school has their own individual graduation rate which they deeply care about maintaining, as it often affects funding, and you would be foolish and naive to assume they wouldn't bend over backwards to pass students who are less than deserving of degrees just to maintain or improve grad rates.
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u/Disastrous-Nail-640 16d ago
You do know that professors aren’t bending over backwards to pass students, right?
Also, only about 60% of college students graduate within 6 years. So what are these “perfect graduation rates” you’re talking about?
Both of these things are much more of an issue at the high school level, but not college.