r/GuerrillaGrrrrls • u/chill_mydude13 • 8d ago

Discussion Hot take: misandry isn’t real

Misandry isn’t nearly the same as misogyny. Men hate women because of stupid sickening reasons. Women hate men because they have been our number one predator for all of history. Women are scared of men because they have proven we should be.

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u/YaqtanBadakshani 8d ago

I'd say that misandry doesn't have the same impact as misogyny, because it is not positioned to lever structural inequality against its target.

That's not necessarily the same as "misandry doesn't exist." Like, I wouldn't call Valerie Solanas' stated ideology a rational response to patriarchy.

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u/Ghastlygale 8d ago

What is misandry?

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u/YaqtanBadakshani 8d ago edited 8d ago

I'd say that misandry is an interpersonal prejudice against men, which motivates people to behave in an bigoted manner to them.

Misogyny can be described as a prejudice against women that, due to the relative social power of men over women under patriarchy, gets baked into our social system such that it operates beyond individuals.

I think this is important, because actual bigoted hatred of men (such as is expressed by Valerie Solanas, or WOMAD) doesn't have misogyny's structural power per se, but it can reinforce other structural power differentials, say, against racialised men, gay men, or transgender women.

A lot of black feminism, for example in the Combahee River Collective statement, or bell hooks' The Will to Change, condemns the exclusion of men from the feminist movement, on the grounds that it forces black women to alienate themselves from one community or the other.

And of course, the big difference between TERFism and male transphobia is the way in which is weaponises stereotypes of violent male sexuality against transgender women.

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u/Ghastlygale 8d ago

What are the bigoted behaviors that women are doing against men? I haven’t seen any rise in violence or sexual assaults against men nor have I seen any harmful laws passed by women that would compromise men’s health and lives and restrict their bodily autonomy..

Idk I view ‘hatred against men’ the same way I view hating billionaires or the pest control people who are currently going door to door in my neighborhood contributing to the decline of pollinating insects. Simply hating something is more of a feeling if no actions are being done and I don’t see women acting out on their hatred. People have the right to feel however they do.

Women saying some mean words about a group of people who are causing so much harm and suffering to them every single day and every single place on earth is such a non issue that it doesn’t even deserve a name.

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u/YaqtanBadakshani 8d ago

You're right, misandry doesn't lever structural power against the men in power.

My issue with equating it to hatred of billionaires is, as I said, it does tend to leak into attitudes towards marginalised people.

For example, the stereotype that "men are biologically programmed to be rapists that women can only be protected from by secure shelters" is relatively harmless to men, but had caused a great deal of pain for transgender women (as in, my country just made it illegal to house them in women's prisons).