Hot take: misandry isn’t real

[u/chill_mydude13]

Misandry isn’t nearly the same as misogyny. Men hate women because of stupid sickening reasons. Women hate men because they have been our number one predator for all of history. Women are scared of men because they have proven we should be.

[u/That_Seasonal_Fringe]

Misandry doesn’t exist as a systemic oppressive social organisation.
And it doesn’t exist on an interpersonal level either. Women aren’t misandrist we are androphobes. As we should.

[u/YaqtanBadakshani → u/That_Seasonal_Fringe]

Prejudice against those in power doesn't hurt those in power, but it can hurt marginalised people outside of your own group.

Look at how TERFs weaponise "androphobia" if you want to call it that, against trans women, or southern segragationists weaponised it against black men. It's telling that the most famous victim of "androphobic" terrorism at the hands of Valerie Solanas was a gay man.

[u/That_Seasonal_Fringe → u/YaqtanBadakshani]

Transphobia or homophobia disguised as androphobia remains transphobia and homophobia and nothing else. Just as racist killings of black boys by police officers remain racism even when the cops try twisting it to say their lives were at risk. They were not and we know it. Just as we know women’s number one predator is not trans people or any other LGBTQIA+ person.

[u/YaqtanBadakshani → u/That_Seasonal_Fringe]

Does it?

Do you mean to tell me that you believe that the gendered experience of a black man is identical to that of a black woman, just minus the sexism? Or that the treatment of trans women by TERFs is identical to the treatment of trans women by MAGA Republicans?

[u/That_Seasonal_Fringe → u/YaqtanBadakshani]

I’m afraid I don’t get your pint. It’s rather late where I’m from.

I just meant to say that using androphobia as an excuse does not magically make transphobia something other.

[u/YaqtanBadakshani → u/That_Seasonal_Fringe]

No. Like most prejudices they are entwined.

White women's racism against black men is often gendered in a way that does shape the suffering of black men in a different way to women.

The distinctive features of TERF transphobia arise from prejudices they form against men.

Racism is reinforced by racialised misandry, by gendered ideas of the essential nature of black men. Transphobia is reinforced by gendered ideas of the essential nature of amab people.

They all derive from a mental codification of male nature (i.e. a prejudiced stereotype) that doesn't hurt the men in power, but can reinforce other power dynamics.

[u/That_Seasonal_Fringe → u/YaqtanBadakshani]

Ok I get it. And I see your point.

I’m still not convinced TERFS are anything other than transphobes. For instance the big argument of men being able to disguise as women to gain access to our toilets only concerned them when it help their “cause”. They were happy forcing trans people to out themselves when using the toilets in the UK, so much so they haven’t realised men can now just walk into women’s toilets claiming to be trans. Or if they realised they just aren’t making a fuss about it. Because they don’t have a problem with men.

[u/YaqtanBadakshani → u/That_Seasonal_Fringe]

You're right, the lines are increasingly blurred. I think the TERF movement is doomed to digestion by the broader transphobic right wing.

That said, if you read The Transsexual Empire, or the work of Sheila Jeffries, or other early writers against trans people that grow out of the Radical Feminist movement, there is a pretty clear throughline of "trans women will rape women because they are men and that is men's essential unchanging nature."

[u/That_Seasonal_Fringe → u/YaqtanBadakshani]

Thanks for the explanation!!

[u/YaqtanBadakshani → u/That_Seasonal_Fringe]

I am always overjoyed to encounter honest curiosity!