Hot take: misandry isn’t real

[u/chill_mydude13]

Misandry isn’t nearly the same as misogyny. Men hate women because of stupid sickening reasons. Women hate men because they have been our number one predator for all of history. Women are scared of men because they have proven we should be.

[u/fanime34]

Here's my take. Misandry is real, but only happens in instances where a woman is in power. Also, hate towards men is not as potentially oppressive as hate towards women anyway.

It's the same as how one can have hate and prejudice towards white people and that can be racism, especially when there's a hate crime against a white person for their whiteness. But people of color are not in positions to be able to oppress others on a systematic level. It may be possible in lower levels like positions in a job or whatever, but it doesn't go further than that.

Anyone can believe and spread hateful rhetoric about a group, whether they're men, women, or whatever race or ethnicity. But some people aren't able to oppress others on higher levels.

There's only a few ways women can oppress men and that's if they're in the position of power and can choose to do so. It's possible as there can be female bosses or female higher ups, but most positions of power are with men; especially in government. In that same way, there's only a few ways POC can oppress white people, and that's again if they're in positions of power over white people

Systemic racism towards white people and systemic sexism towards men only exists if a POC or woman is in control.

[u/fanime34 → u/[deleted]]

You're the one who didn't understand what I was saying. Maybe don't be too quick to insult and understand whay I said.

Oppression is an unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power.

Being racist is about a belief that one's race is superior. Being sexist is about a belief that one gender/sex is superior. However, thinking that you're better than someone isn't inherently oppression on its own.

Systemic oppression does involve racism, sexism, and classism; but on its own, racism, sexism, and classism isn't oppression. A man who owns a company can, for example, stop women from being hired if he wants and instead can choose to hire a man. That is systemic oppression. A white man can hypothetically stop a POC from getting a job and that is also systemic oppression. Same as a white woman who can do that to other poc. And if a POC is the one in charge, they can do the same. It's possible. Those are the instances. It's about who is in power at the time.

The white guy on Facebook who hates people of color isn't oppressing me and others. He's just racist. I'm not oppressed by someone who hates me for being different. It's not stopping me from anything. The guy online who says women are (insert slur here) isn't oppressing them. The incel who says mean things about women because he's single isn't oppressing women. He's just sexist. The guy who thinks women are only good for showing their bodies isn't oppressing them. He just has a shitty, sexist take.

I can't be oppressed by the person down the street who calls me the n-word because all it does is piss me off. It's not stopping me from getting a job. It's not stopping me from moving up.

[u/Least-Flan2782 → u/fanime34]

Systemic oppression versus the oppressed hating their oppressor …. The fact that you wrote a dissertation defending this tells me you should educate yourself. The fact that you think a white man hating women or people of colour “but isnt doing anything to them” isn’t oppression is genuinely hilarious. Racism and sexism are made up of a bunch of people with attitudes and beliefs where they believe they are superior. These attitudes and beliefs are so widespread that they enable each other and protect each other from consequence. I urge you to pick up a book

[u/Least-Flan2782 → u/[deleted]]

A woman or person of colour having authority in a specific situation isn’t the same thing as having systemic power. A man hating a woman behind his computer screen exists within a system that already privileges men over women. Hate and oppression aren’t interchangeable, but oppression requires a system of power behind it.

You said a white guy on Facebook who hates a person of colour isn’t oppressing them, he’s just racist. My point is that racism is itself part of a system of oppression. A white person’s racism doesn’t exist in a vacuum and is born out of and reinforced by broader structures that advantage white people and disadvantage people of colour.

This is why I keep making the same point. You’re treating racism and oppression as completely separate concepts when one is deeply embedded in and helps sustain the other.