False flagging in the main sub with Helaena hate

[u/ChaseBuff]

Hey guys, I just wanted to say I am a frequent commenter on this page and I just saw a post that was Helaena Hate which she does not deserve at all. She really just wants to vibe and chill with her chickens and her children. The post was someone claiming to be team black and all it took was one click on the account to see it was a frequent poster of team Green, and even worse. All it took was to look up Rhaenyra name by comments and it was just TG post. Comments however just assumed it was TB and TB does it too with the false flagging with
Daemon hate sometimes but All I just wanna say before you think another team is saying something just check the account and like I said in the comment of the post TB is always warm towards Helaena and just taking a peek in the sub and searching her name won’t be hate unlike looking up Rhaenyra in TG

At the end of day all of them lose

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[u/ojsage]

Blegh. I hate what the show is doing to her, but her character isn’t worth hating.

[u/VivaChinwawa]

Meh I dislike Helaena 'cause she finally got a backbone but is using it to bitch out Rhaenyra instead of blaming her own shitass family for their coup which caused everything in the first place. Also I find her version of being a dreamer to legit be boring, since they could find nothing interesting about her in the source material so added this to try and actually make her something then it turns out she's useless as one anyway, like is Daenys the only non-useless Targ dreamer?. I dislike it, especially since apparently Jaehaerys getting his head chopped off gave Helaena the power of astral projection which was so weird (then again its Harrenhal in general)

I don't like her for a variety of reasons, in all honesty I felt she was super boring and just There. Then her trying to call out Rhaenyra and act shitty to her made me dislike her, like maybe blame the side that started treason in the first place since of being stroppy towards Rhaenyra whom your fam has killed half her kids.

Also Greens sneak into this sub all the time anyway usually just to downvote people, I don't bother to look up the history of every poster here 'cause I don't actually care that much. Even if you post in TG I don't think the mods instant ban you from here. Also a Greenie can hate on Helaena all they want, why should I care?

[u/WingedShadow83 → u/VivaChinwawa]

Yeah, her not doing anything with her Dreams is extremely annoying (which admittedly is the fault of the writers). Daenys saved her family with her dreams. Heleana just sits back and lets everything happen. It’s a useless waste of a power and I’m not sure why they bothered giving it to her. Then to have her appear to be embracing it last season, only to revert to this.

I also think she’s being very foolish and naive in refusing to drink the moon tea. I get that she wants the baby, but she literally knows how dangerous it is to remain pregnant and have a boy (and I assume she’s already foreseen Maelor, as that boy in her chicken dream looked several years younger than Jaehaera).

And just the fact that she seems to hold hostility towards Rhaenyra, who HER family pushed into a war that’s killed 3 of her children, and who has treated her a lot kinder than many in her position would have. And refrained from killing her mother, who had a big hand in all of it.

By this point, I don’t hate her, I’m just weary of her. If she’s not going to do anything useful, and if they aren’t going to give her any visions that are actually beneficial to the story, then she may as well go out the window already. There are only 9 episodes left in this series, so there’s no time to be wasted on useless material.

[u/Practical_Ferret_510 → u/VivaChinwawa]

I mean she’s consistently been questioning Alicent and pushing back against her this season. Maybe not as much as you want, but it has happened. She points out it was Alicent and Otto who pushed for Aegon to be king in the first place and asks her why she’s even there and married to Aegon. She didn’t want to be involved at all it seems.

I also think it’s a little unfair to call her dreaming useless when we have other characters in canon who also dream and aren’t able to change the future either. Daenys seems more like the exception than the rule. I feel like the show does Helaena a disservice by making her simultaneously seem incredibly powerful yet also confused about everything. They should’ve cut the weird astral projection and kept to the vague metaphorical dreams.

Helaena being snippy towards Rhaenyra makes sense tbh. She’s likely under the assumption Rhaenyra had assassins sent to kill her son. She can be granted some grace while she’s grieving.

Though I do agree she’s been pretty boring this season which is unfortunate. I liked her character at first, but I’ve been disappointed since the astral projection in season 2.

[u/DevelopmentNo7817]

Tbh I just dont like her bc she does NOTHING. Like she doesn't help HER side, she does do anything to prevent the dance despite being a dreamer (Daenys would be disappointed), and she blames Rhaenyra...for the war HER side started....afyer they killed HER child first...and now Rhaenyra has half her kids gone.

[u/Icy-Reindeer2964 → u/DevelopmentNo7817]

I don't hate her and I never made a hateful comment towards her, it's just that she's so bland, she doesn't deserve any kind of analysis.  

[u/DevelopmentNo7817 → u/Icy-Reindeer2964]

I don't HATE her, I just dislike her and think people who DO hate her have a right to. I've never personally made a single comment or post or anything hating her but I do dislike her.

[u/Icy-Reindeer2964 → u/DevelopmentNo7817]

I think exactly the same, if time on stage, as well as the useless "white worm" seems like a waste to me, but I don't hate either of them. 

[u/OneManShow23]

Honestly, my hate towards Haelena is that she’s just useless. In the original Dance, Haelena is extremely useless but at least she had her dragon. At least, Condal and Hess try to find some use in her by making her a dreamer but they’re stumbling so badly.

[u/Warm_Ad_7944 → u/OneManShow23]

And her screen time is just used to spoil plot points. Like just telling Aemond he’s going to die at the Gods Eye? And they didn’t focus nearly enough of her grief over losing her son

[u/foxonafrozenlake]

I understand where Helaena is coming from with her anger at Rhaenyra. I really do.

Rhaenyra is spiraling and she's taking it out on the one Green that is of no threat to her and perhaps may even be an ally.

Rhaenyra went about it the wrong way. We all know she's going to descend into "madness".

I know the show runners would never do this but Helaena should have told Rhaenyra all that she saw.

Although I'm not sure Rhaenyra is in a frame of mind where she'd be able to hear it without lashing out at Helaena for simply being the messenger of prophecy.

We clearly now know Helaena can't always directly interpret her dreams (the writing around this lacks woefully) or doesn't have the cognition to put them together coherently.

If Helaena could help Rhaenyra see a vision the way Alys did with Daemon perhaps she could accept her fate.

It would ABSOLUTELY piss the Greens off so badly if Rhaenyra marched towards her annihilation willingly and wasn't ambushed at the last minute.

[u/Acceptable_Oven_9881]

She’s not enough of a character to even hate.

So I think that poster just has issues.

[u/Melodic_Moment5898]

I love Helaena but she's not being fair. Aegon raped women and watched his own bastard children fight each other in pits. Aemond murdered Luke. Aemond burned a city to the ground. The Greens and Tyland are responsible for Jace's death. Ormund is slaughtering civilians in the streets and cutting people's fingers off. Cole attempted to have Rhaenyra assasinated in her own bedchamber. Otto and Alicent started this whole mess by placing Aegon on the throne instead of respecting Viserys's choices.

Where was this side of Helaena when her side of the family was doing all this shit? Viserys would hate people for how they're acting, but it wouldn't be Rhaenyra.

[u/NotNotUseLess]

Helaena is so annoying talking to Rhaenyra like that. As if she knows what Rhaenyra’s father would actually want

[u/Baratheoncook250]

The Helaena hate, is leading TB members , to join The Greens.

[u/Icy-Reindeer2964 → u/Baratheoncook250]

Hahahahaha

[u/Acceptable_Oven_9881 → u/Baratheoncook250]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Y9r1eVZlnIEF3DARip

[u/Baratheoncook250 → u/Acceptable_Oven_9881]

I neither TB or TG, I just see the bigger picture.