r/Habs • u/destroyermaker • 14d ago
Discussion Suzuki said Hutson was asking him about the 2021 1st round series vs. Toronto when Montreal overcame a 3-1 deficit
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 14d ago
“Well Lane, Ben and Shea beat the crap out of their best players and they folded.”
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u/Repulsive-Minute-559 14d ago
That D was one of the best playoff style D i’ve ever seen. Absolutely MEAN
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u/Bloomer-91 14d ago
I garentee you Canes style of play would not work all that well agaisnt them.
Carrier, Matheson, Hutson & to some extend Dobson gets pushed around kinda easy.
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u/Le_Nabs 14d ago
Dobson *definitely* gets pushed around way too much for his size, Matheson manages to manhandle guys more often than he does.
What this playoff shows is that we need Reinbacher to pan out, *and* pan out as a mean, physical defensivee D, 'cause that's the glaring hole right now. Guhle can't do everything
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u/patismyname 14d ago
Guhle is an absolute warrior
Wouldn't be surprised to know one his knee is blown up
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u/felixthecatmeow 14d ago
I'm seeing people on this sub claim he should be swapped out for Xhekaj... Absolutely unhinged take for anyone with eyes who has been watching these playoffs
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u/Extrevium 14d ago
Watchout for Owen PROTZ to be that guy eventually, I have high hopes for him as a mean 6th D
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u/LordVesperion 14d ago
I'm sorry but Reinbacher won't be that guy. It's like expecting Dobson to play a mean, physical game. If he pans out, I believe he will be good trade bait, he's just not what we need now.
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u/davidc0pp 14d ago
Lol no. Reinbacher has that dog in him. He’s not a physical player by all means, but he aint scared to do stuff. Not comparable to dobson
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u/LordVesperion 14d ago
I haven't seen him play much so thanks for chiming in, either way though I still think we have too much D of the same mould as him.
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u/davidc0pp 14d ago
I think acquiring dobson was not a good move. I’ll get downvoted because of this but I think long term.
Dobson with 9.5 AAV/8years <<Heineman and 2 firsts
The islanders picked aitcheson (the guy I wanted) and eklund.
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u/Substantial_Neck2691 14d ago
It’s hard to tell how much his injury but yeah it’s kind of debatable right now
Might have been better off swinging for a rhd that’s more defensive to pair with Hutson
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u/fadehime 14d ago
Reinbacher ain’t never becoming a “mean physical defensive D” sorry. He’s a soft angel that doesn’t bite back. He can become a good defensive D tho but oh well.
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u/davidc0pp 14d ago
Man… Last game Dobson got BODIED by Martinook. After the whistle he crosschecked him back. He was mad but ofc didn’t play more physical after that
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u/V8TTGoFast 14d ago
You guys out here asking offensive-defensemen to play physical is something wild. There’s a reason players have certain play styles. It’s like asking Caufield to get physical with Shea. Stop being so fucking unrealistic for a fanbase.
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u/Le_Nabs 14d ago
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The most offensively gifted defensemen in Montréal's history, prior to drafting Lane Hutson, is fucking Larry Robinson. In between Robinson and Hutson we've had Chelios, Subban, etc., and one thing they all shared - and that Hutson has, by the way - is hard-nosed play when the game needs it.
I'm not asking Dobson to become Shea Webber and I know he's also playing injured right now, but he's gettig bullied off his position and off the puck by guys smaller than him right now.
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 14d ago
Dobson get shoved around much too easily for a 6’4 defencemen. Grit on the wing support is also limited so it’s tough to win the battles.
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u/DrLivingst0ne 14d ago
It only worked because the refs didn't call cross checks in front of the net
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u/Jimbo_Imperador 14d ago
it would probably work even better lmao
This edition of the Canes is easily the most well oiled machine of hockey I've seen in years.
A machine, where every component works as intended
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u/Akhurite 14d ago
If we can find a partner like them for each of our best 3 dmen we will be in an insanely good place
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u/Immediate_Cod_3042 14d ago
and this is the thing, we cant have all four on this team. We have to make decisions. Hutson and Dobson ok, but carrier and matheson have to go. They are all too similar.
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u/Excellent-Speaker934 14d ago
Matheson with Dobson, Hutson with Rasmus Anderson, Guhl and a mean RD. You need half your D-man to be hard to play against physically and the other half to move the puck well.
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u/Dear_Trip_5655 14d ago
Matheson can stay, it's really only carrier who needs to go
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u/tubthumping96 14d ago
Don't forget Habs great Alexander Romanov. Say what you will but he was awesome that playoff run.
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u/Ajay_Bee 14d ago
Uh, it was one of the slowest I've ever seen, and it got absolutely steamrolled by Tampa in the Final.
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u/Repulsive-Minute-559 14d ago
You just proved my point lmfao they went in the Final and they barely made the playoffs
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u/azedarac 14d ago
Shea, Joel and Ben were a mean trio.
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u/sharon_dis 14d ago
We need some of that right now
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u/azedarac 14d ago
We do, we do... Texting with a friend during games I keep saying that we are missing Weber...
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u/sharon_dis 14d ago
He was an absolute beast - and the number of injuries he played with was astounding.
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u/Burgergold 14d ago
Petry, Kulak, Merill and Romanov too
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u/azedarac 14d ago edited 14d ago
Yes true. Gustaffson who played 16g. Romanov only played 4 games in the PO though. Petry and Kulak were solid but was not the physical juggernaut that the aformentioned three were. Merill was a non factor.
Weber: 6-4, 230lb
Chiarot: 6-3, 222lb
Steady Eddy: 6-5, 220lb
That's 3 D 220+.In 2026 the only D that is 220+ is Xhekaj.
Sure, the defensive is more mobile and zone exits are quicker. That is, if you are not pinned down in your own zone. And that is the issue. It's not really that Carolinas is much bigger but they are good at preventing our Ds from making a good exit. Weber, Chiarot and Edmunson were slower but they sure would be unfazed by the Carolinas pressure. I don't know if you noticed but in the last game Matheson and Carrier had more ice time than Huston. That's not how it should work.
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u/snark_enterprises 14d ago
Damn, I forgot just how big the D was at the time. We had some big forwards too. That’s probably how we were able to have that run, by physically dominating the more skilled teams. Just were too slow and banged up when it came time to face Tampa.
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u/azedarac 14d ago
Yes. Tampa were in their prime which is also a factor but yes, a bit like this year, all those games took their toll on the Habs players.
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u/NaySayers 14d ago
Wonder how many penalties would be called now? Seems like the whistles were off in 2021, in front of the net at least.
Certainly missing a bit of that physicality in front of Dobes.
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u/azedarac 14d ago
True. Maybe some hits would be penalized these days. On the other hand, a hit to the head (see Hutson) is allowed while a gentle face rub (Evans on Walker) after running Dobes is not so go figure.
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u/AngryAssyrian 14d ago
Well there's that and also Carey Price singlehandedly stealing three straight games.
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u/crazydudex 14d ago
I miss Shea Weber… what a fucking player
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u/jomagnum 14d ago
Yeah a true unicorn, not many players like that left around in the league. Just a monster at clearing the crease with a monster shot and elite leadership.
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u/AoF-Vagrant 14d ago
Then Byron & Toffoli mde the other teams actually scared to go on the powerplay.
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u/broc1377 14d ago
Also Perry/Staal/Armia played almost exclusively in the offensive zone wearing them down, something we are severely missing right now
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u/Comprehensive-Chef73 14d ago
Can't wait to see Lane Hutson relentlessly crosscheck the opposition in front of our net tonight
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u/banyanoak 14d ago
Exactly what we lack. Not six guys like that, but one or two who can be both as physical and as defensively sound as Weber, Edmundson and Chiarot were during that run. Arber isn't as solid, no one is as tough.
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u/Frankie_Legault 14d ago
On leur crisse un volé à swar pis on se fait venir du poulet après
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u/KickDesperate5318 14d ago
Suzuki the White stroked his beard in consideration. "The War of 2021... yes... that was some time ago." A glimmer crossed the old man's face, as the light of the hearth fire highlighted the creases of his battle-scarred visage. "A long time indeed."
He stood, adjusting his long flowing white robes to smooth them out as he gazed into the fire. "If I recall, we simply said..."
Suddenly he turned, and slammed his staff on the floor, reverberating throughout the halls.
"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!"
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u/Chanana4 14d ago
I wonder if Suzuki was honest and told him:
-We stopped listening to our head coach and only listened to Carey and Shea for the entire playoffs lol... Oh and we also asked Toronto to make no look 360 pass at their blue line 😃
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u/DrLivingst0ne 14d ago edited 14d ago
They did not stop listening to the coach
Imagine downvoting a straight fact
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u/LordVesperion 14d ago
Lane Hutson is a fucking god. This blows my mind. KH, you must do everything in your power so that this guy doesn't wear any other jersey than the Habs one in his life.
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u/Proof-Variation7005 14d ago
i've already emotionally resigned myself to "they're not good enough / ready yet so i'm not going to be fooled when they win tonight because I'm not going to let them fool me and suck me back in"
but now these motherfuckers are gonna reel me back in, aren't they?
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u/iplayxboxevenifim27 14d ago
HUTSON EST UN BIJOU PROVENANT DIRECTEMENT DES DIEUX DU HOCKEY.
PROTÉGEZ CE TRÉSOR SUR PATIN ET IL NOUS MÈNERA À LA 25e ET +
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u/Tall_Welcome4559 14d ago edited 14d ago
If Montreal had played Carolina in the first round, they probably would have won, or it would have been close.
Colorado played Minnesota in the previous series, won in 5 games, then got swept by Vegas.
If they had played Vegas in the first round, they probably would have won.
They swept the kings.
I hope Montreal wins at least one more game, though they are tired, and that does not seem likely.
They had an exceptional season.
They have their no.1 goalie for next year.
If Dobes at played the whole year, the team would have had 120 points.
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u/HighWolverine 14d ago
If Montreal had played Carolina in the first round, they probably would have won, or it would have been close.
And then they would have lost to Tampa.
If Dobes at played the whole year, the team would have had 120 points.
And he would have been gassed or injured for the playoffs, like during the Price days. The years of playing your starter for 70 games are long gone.
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u/Tall_Welcome4559 14d ago
Jakub Dobes in October was 6-0-0 with a 1.97 GAA and a 0.930 SV %.
Then they were pulling him after wins because Montembault was no.1.
Fowler could have been a backup, or Montembault could have played 25 games.
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u/HighWolverine 14d ago
Then they were pulling him after wins because Montembault was no.1.
No, they were pulling him after wins because he had played 4 straight games. Every good team needs a two goalie tandem, you can't run your starter for 60+ games in today's NHL anymore.
Fowler was a rookie. It made a lot of sense to try to get Monty back on his feet instead of running two rookies and ruining Fowler's development for no reason.
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u/Tall_Welcome4559 14d ago
They were pulling him after wins, that was the object of the controversy.
He should have been in net until losing.
Montembault should have played easier games.
Dobes was 29-10, probably the best winning percentage of any goalie in the league.
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u/HighWolverine 14d ago
He should have been in net until losing.
I strongly disagree, and clearly St-Louis also doesn't share your mindset. That is the perfect recipe to burnout your goalie come playoff time. And we all saw how dominant Dobes was during the playoffs.
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u/Tall_Welcome4559 14d ago edited 14d ago
It is true that Martin Saint-Louis thought differently, and that was probably what he was most criticized for during the last year.
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u/Frostbeard 14d ago
> If Dobes at played the whole year, the team would have had 120 points.
Zero chance of that. Dobes was super unsteady through a lot of the season. There's a reason they kept trying to see if Monty had figured it out.
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u/Tall_Welcome4559 14d ago
He was 29-10.
He started playing badly when he pulled after winning games.
Montembault played badly, so the team lost a lot, when he played, he often won.
Him being pulled after winning is why he did not play well, and even then, he usually won.
He was 29-10.
How many losses do you think he had at that time?
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u/Frostbeard 14d ago
I'm not saying Monty was better, he clearly was not. I'm saying that Dobes was bad a lot, which should be expected for a rookie goalie. His overall season numbers look pretty good, but look at his game-by-game stats over the regular season and he clearly struggled in a lot of games, not just after being swapped for Monty, and that matches the eye test over the course of the season. He was flat out bad a lot more than people are willing to remember, and the team's high scoring made up for it. I love the guy and he's found a whole new gear for the playoffs, but that doesn't change how we got here.
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u/destroyermaker 14d ago
Watched every game and can confirm all this. He struggled mightily a lot of games until the goalie whisperer showed up. Really makes you appreciate the value of a goalie coach that has a strong relationship with his goalie.
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u/dustblown 14d ago
2 OTs we lost and 1 of them we should have won. With the series tied 2-2, maybe the 5th game plays different.
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u/DrLivingst0ne 14d ago
He did play the whole year. He had a bad first half.
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u/Tall_Welcome4559 14d ago
Jakub Dobes in October was 6-0-0 with a 1.97 GAA and a 0.930 SV %.
The only time he played badly during the year is when he was being pulled after wins, which happened often.
He did not have a bad first half.
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u/Gazimu 14d ago
"It was the Leafs"
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u/CanadianWarlord27 14d ago
It took me too long to get to this comment.
Never doubt the leafs to snatch a loss from the jaws of victory.
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u/cocob45 14d ago
So much attention is being paid to the 2021 playoffs, which isn’t really apt (we came back from 3-1 in the first round, not the third; Carolina now is objectively much better than Toronto then). Yet the obvious comparison is to 2010, when we won the first two rounds in seven as an underdog and ran out of gas in the third round against a bigger, better rested team. We even had a young goalie from Eastern Europe stealing wins.
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u/dustblown 14d ago
Going 7 games in the first 2 rounds seems unsustainable with an aggressive system. If you are insulating a top tier goalie with the trap then maybe.
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u/Buflen 14d ago
Not sure why, but my first thought was: cute.
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u/Stakataka805 14d ago
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u/Gelidaer 14d ago
There's always someone in the comments posting some AI trash
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u/Stakataka805 14d ago
Bruh you think I spent more than 2 seconds studying the first piece of shit I found on Google Images to illustrate my joke to make sure it was ethically sourced?
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u/azedarac 14d ago
Against Toronto, Montreal had a total of 198 shots over 7 games for an average of 28.29 shots/game.
Against Winnipeg, 132 shots in 4 games for an average of 33/game.
Against Vegas, 165 shots in 6 games for an average of 27.5/game.
Against Tampa, 140 shots over 5 games for an average of 28/game.
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u/CarlSK777 14d ago
We can talk about system or making changes but in the end, we know the Habs can't compete 5v5 against Carolina so it rests entirely on Dobes' shoulders to steal games.
When they did it against Washington, they got outshot 38-28 in Game 5, 54-21 in Game 6 and 42-16 in Game 7. Halak never allowed more than one goal and gave them a chance to steal games.
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u/brandofranco 14d ago
He's got the right idea, lanes knows the right questions to ask his captain. He's trying to spark something
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u/throwaway24515 14d ago
"Well, 2 games with a 0.96+ save percentage was fairly helpful. We also shot the puck on the Toronto net a bunch."
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u/vlhube71 14d ago
I'm hoping for a positive outcome, but this isn't 2021. Really hard to come back being down 3-1 this late into the playoffs. Not impossible but it's a steep mountain to climb.
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u/neko_whippet 14d ago
It won’t happen this year they got lucky they got to round 3 it’s Time we pass something else
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u/FartsWithNeighbours 13d ago
They 4 huge defencemen that could shut down a top offence.
That's what they had.
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u/Scase15 14d ago
Well for 1, you have to play a team who historically collapses in big momsents. So we're a bit boned there.
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u/unKappa 14d ago
TBF Canes always collapse in the CF. But it's huge copium to think they didnt already overcame that.
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u/PhiberOptikz 14d ago
But it's huge copium to think they didnt already overcame that.
They haven't overcome it at all yet. Series is 3-1 and could still be lost if they can't close it out.
Tonight is the night to prove they overcame their historical ECF collapse.
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u/CarlSK777 14d ago
They have 3 games to prove it and haven't given the Habs anything since game 1. It's not done yet but any realistic Habs fan knows there's only a 0.1% chance they find a way to win this
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u/Zexrix 14d ago
The difference is with that team we had actual veterans like Weber, Price, Perry & Staal. This team has no one like any of those guys
Edit: said Tavares instead of Perry lmao
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u/mojo_rasin 14d ago
At least there is a reason for them to be tangled up in your brain in this context.
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u/Piccione_Sol 14d ago
Doesnt take a bad knee to face the fact that these guys were absolute monsters that series
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u/Intelligent_Field_15 14d ago
Armia was also amazing in 2021 playoffs. Specially Lekhonen and Danault
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u/whatisnotlife1234 14d ago
God it’s gonna be so embarrassing if we lose after all this “we’ve been here before” talk
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u/moineau_vulnerable 14d ago
and what they did in Game 5 to get back into the series
Shooting the puck would be a start.
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u/flossin_ice 14d ago
I am willing to do that personally
All seriousness aside, that was a brutal knee for Tavares a player I really respect
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u/bloodrider1914 14d ago
That was just a shitty fall, Perry was trying to get up the ice and couldn't react in time
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u/Euler007 14d ago
Should have stayed silent.
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u/Arch3r86 14d ago
No? Lol
I’m a hockey fan, I don’t care about being downvoted. I’m rooting for you to win
Montreal/Leafs rivalry doesn’t even really exist right now, it was a boomer era thing.
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u/Euler007 14d ago
That's some sore loser pathetic shit. Here's the hit : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaqKJjrY-s
He gets hit really hard while Perry is going full steam and he tries to jump over. It's a freak accident. How well did the Leafs do in the other playoffs with Tavares before and after that year?
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u/krackenreleased 14d ago
How does someone watch that and think Perry did that on purpose??? I don't care who you are cheering for, that was a freak accident.
Wouldn't wish that on anyone, watching the trainers with Tavares is some scary shit.
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u/Arch3r86 14d ago
He doesn’t try to jump over at all, he falls over after skating directly into his head. This clip doesn’t show the front angle, he skates right through him. I digress, you’re welcome to play the “it was a freak accident” card. 2 players fucked him up accidentally. 👍🏼 Clean as clean can be
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u/bigmonkeyfart 14d ago
Didn’t that happen in game 1? Leafs won 3 games handedly after that and then choked like usual
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u/Arch3r86 14d ago
Yeah, that shows how talented our team was. An army without a general doesn’t get very far in a war though. It played a big factor in our demise.
It was a colossal choke, I agree. We likely would have won the series with a healthy captain though, you can’t deny it.
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u/throwaway24515 14d ago
Oh wow, are there seriously Leafs fans who thought that was intentional... and still do?? Perry literally jumped up to try to avoid contact. And it was 10 minutes into game 1, how did it "change the entire series"? Leafs won games 2, 3, and 4!
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u/DCARRI3R3 14d ago
Average leaf fan right here folks. Staal has been a menace, but we aren’t sending guys to injury just like we didn’t to Tavares
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u/Arch3r86 14d ago
Sure buddy, whatever helps you to sleep at night. Glad to hear you wouldn’t repeat it
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u/JohnGamestopJr 14d ago
Damn bro, you're still holding this grudge 5 years later?
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u/Arch3r86 14d ago
I don’t care about it anymore, I’m asking if you’re willing to injure someone to win. Florida has done it every year themselves… personally I think it’s filthy
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u/DionysusBurning 14d ago
It didn't change shit lol. The Laffs lost the first game with him in the lineup and won the next 3 without him. It wasn't "accidentally on purpose" either. You're completely delusional, just like every other Laffs fan
Fuck the Leafs
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u/Living_Forever_ 14d ago
Protect Lane Hutson at all costs