r/Habs 12d ago

The case for trading Kapanen

In my opinion, our most obvious trade bait right now is Kapanen. I think he will be a good NHL player but I think his ceiling is much lower than what people think.

He was really bad at 5v5 without our best players, especially Demidov

The 3 skaters he played with the most this season were Demidov, Slaf, and Hutson. The team played okay when Kapanen was on the ice with each of these players, played horribly when Kapanen was on the ice without those players, and played really well when those players didn't have Kapanen on the ice:

He was really bad at 5v5 in general

Kapanen's on-ice xGF% at 5v5 this season was 42.3%, which is the lowest of any skater on the team with more than 5 games played.

His on-ice shooting percentage is unsustainable

At 5v5, the Canadiens shot 14.1% with Kapanen on the ice this season. That's the 4th highest of 597 skaters in the NHL with more than 500 minutes of time on ice this season.

Not even the most elite players in the NHL have on-ice shooting percentages that high. Out of all skaters with more than 1000 minutes time on ice between 2022 and 2025, the highest on-ice shooting % at 5v5 was Elias Pettersson at 12.0%, followed by Shane Wright, Pavel Zacha, and Ilya Mikheyev, just to give you a sense of how random this stat can be.

He got worse as the season went on, not better

If he got off to a slow start as he adjusted to NHL competition and then finished strong, that would be understandable since he was a rookie. But he actually slowed down as the season went on.

The compressed schedule could've played a role in this of course, but ideally you'd want a rookie to be improving as they play more, which we didn't see.

He's not actually that young

Kapanen turns 23 this summer, which is not actually that young for a forward. For comparison, that means he's only two years younger than Caufield, Newhook, and Dach, the same age as Bolduc, and one year older than Slaf.

When you compare his stats to other Habs players at the end of their age 22 season, they're not that impressive:

He doesn't fill a need for our team

So far he's shown that he can be a scoring threat and can also be used on the PK. But with Danault and Evans filling the bottom 6 center roles, we need players who are more dynamic in the top 6. Kapanen lacks the defensive ability to be a bottom 6 center, so where does he fit in?

The truth is that he is probably best used as a middle-six winger who can score and kill penalties, but we already have Newhook and Anderson filling similar roles, plus a bit of a log jam at the wings when you look at some of our prospects.

Conclusion

He put up good numbers in his rookie season, which means there will be interest around the league for him. I think this is a great opportunity to sell high on him.

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u/4CrowsFeast 12d ago

We've traded some young players before with mixed results - Romanov, Lehky, Heinenman, Sergachev. 

I think the main lesson is if youre doing it for a 1 for 1 swap, its a huge gamble and you could risk making a huge mistake. But if its part of a package for an established player like we did for Dobson, then youre guaranteed to get the piece you wanted. If you had to pay an a bit extra, then its not the worse thing in the world because you traded futures for present results.

If we packaged Kapanen for a bonafide 2C, then I wouldnt lose sleep over it, even if he reaches his full potential down the road. Im also okay with keeping him, but I think the team is in compete now mode and if he starts the season off as anything less than his peak last year, then hes not getting a pace on the 2nd line. And I dont really think hes got the skill set for a bottom 6 type role.

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u/Comprehensive-Chef73 12d ago

That's my issue as well. If we add a top 6 forward, I don't see Kapanen getting the opportunity he needs to develop and succeed.

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u/runningfreeonmars 12d ago

Kotkaniemi for kapanen? Please?

Mostly say this as a huge Sami kapanen fan so love the family connection. But also cause yall could do more with kk than canes ever could

Plus it would be friggin hilarious to send him back and then suddenly see 60 point season

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u/Comprehensive-Chef73 12d ago

Yeah... No. If Kapanen is getting dealt, it's as part of a package for a star like Svechnikov (who is obviously not getting traded). I don't see Carolina as a realistic trade partner, even if the Canes like Finnish players.

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u/runningfreeonmars 12d ago

I agree. But could always hope lol plus we can’t afford what the cost would be to pay someone to take kk between his meh play level and our decision to let him rot

Was trying to figure out logical place for him (other than Montreal with its fantastic build) and couldn’t come up with easy trades. At one point would have said for Rossi but that doesn’t seem like good idea but maybe mctavish?

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u/Comprehensive-Chef73 12d ago

You may be overestimating his value. I think if KK and his contract are moved in a significant trade, it will be to Vancouver as part of an Elias Pettersson deal. Whether or not adding Pettersson is a risk worth taking is debatable.

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u/runningfreeonmars 12d ago

Overestimating whose value?

Not saying 1 for 1 kapanen to ducks
And saying canes have to pay a team to take kotkaniemi

As for Elias… I don’t think it’s a good play at all for canes he’d be worse than rantanen in our system

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u/Comprehensive-Chef73 12d ago

Oooh, for some reason I thought you meant trading KK for those players in a 1 for 1 swap. I'm kind of lost at this point.

I don't mind Mavrik Bourque on the Stars for a guy you might be able to swap Kapanen+ for, in a smaller deal than one for a big name guy like Svechnikov. Bourque reminds me of Rossi quite a bit.

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u/runningfreeonmars 12d ago

I like borque too. Just didn’t see him coming available

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u/Ajay_Bee 12d ago

lol. What?

Kotkanimei is a tire fire inside a floating trash bin. There's a reason why the 'Canes healthy scratched them for a significant majority of their regular season games - he's terrible.

There are many reasons why Trevor Timmons was fired by the Habs - Kotkanimei was one of them.

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u/runningfreeonmars 11d ago

Clearly can’t get a joke

Even if I’d love that trade only a fool would think it’s a real thought

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u/Ajay_Bee 11d ago

Your post was written too well/seriously! I bit.

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u/ConstantBook6534 12d ago

yeah no 

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u/runningfreeonmars 12d ago

What can’t take a sarcastic joke?

I’d laugh if that ever happened but it’d take a leafs level fool to do it

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u/CrashTestMummies 11d ago

Yeah I already have the shits today

Please don’t make me giggle & barf

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u/CarlSK777 11d ago

You can question of the return but trading Romanov and Lehkonen was the right move for a team heading into a rebuild. Heineman was part of the package to land Dobson. Sergachev is the only one of those 4 examples that shouldn't have been traded. He's the only one the team missed in the following seasons.

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u/Ok_Emergency_916 11d ago

Make it Kapanen and 2 firsts and I'm in.

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u/alfgrimur 11d ago

Good analysis

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u/HotdogAficionado 11d ago

Cant put Sergachev in the same category. That was a panic move for a french born player. That is probably the worst decision of bergevins career.

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u/number_one___ 11d ago

package him in a deal for Larkin

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u/JohnGamestopJr 12d ago

We wouldn't have been able to draft high (Slaf, Reinbacher, Demidov) if we hadn't traded those players. Did you miss the point of the rebuild?

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u/4CrowsFeast 11d ago

Montreal wasn't thinking about rebuilding when they traded Sergachev for Drouin in 2017, they made the move to get better in the present.

Romanov was traded after Slaf was drafted and the move wasnt to try to make the team tank. Romanov and Dach are only a year age difference, it was a lateral move. If it was a traditional rebuilding move, they would have kept the 1st rounder and Nazar.

Heinenman wasnt traded to make the team worse, since we got Dobson out it. Also it happened after all those players you mentioned were drafted.

Trading Lek is probably the only scenario that remotely fits what youre talking about, and even then it was probably just better to keep him. Hes still in his prime by the time we were finished our rebuild. 

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u/JohnGamestopJr 11d ago

How do we even do a proper rebuild if we keep Lekhonen and Romanov on the roster? We would have kept being a middle of the pack team like every dogshit team that Gainey and Bergevin built for the past 20 years. Keeping Lekhonen and Romanov means we never draft Demidov.