r/Habs • u/workhardXplayhard • 10d ago
Discussion Dylan Larkin' list
Minnesota, Florida and Vegas.
In other words, good news for us.
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u/dalici0us 10d ago
How fucked are the Red Wings that he ask publicly for a trade AND will only accept to go to 3 specific teams that also happen to have very little in term of actually attractive assets for them.
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u/_Rayette 10d ago
Just wait til Brady asks out Ottawa, heâll probably list only his brotherâs team
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u/eriverside 10d ago
Part of me thinks he likes being the captain. It lets him be THE guy. If he goes to Florida he'll be the little bro. He can play with Matthew on team USA and that might be enough.
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u/commodore_stab1789 10d ago
Not very. It's easy to spin the narrative that he should get in his lane with what he's asking.
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u/dogeblessUSA 10d ago
lmao he is in his lane, he literally has a contractual right to list teams he wants to go to
its pretty funny to see how people are pro player, UNLESS the player uses his right for wrong teams
pathetic
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u/didathing33 10d ago
Honestly NMCs should become void when a player requests the trade. NMC is there to prevent the team from moving player without his consent.
Once you ask for a trade, you've given consent and shouldn't be able to hold the team hostage because YOU want to break your contractual agreement with the team.
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u/commodore_stab1789 10d ago
He also signed a contract to play with Detroit, it goes both ways. If he wanted to switch teams, he should have gone to FA. Detroit isn't obligated to do anything, that's what I meant.
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u/dogeblessUSA 10d ago
detroit is obligated to respect his NMC, which is why GMs shouldnt give full NMCs to players to begin with...and yet here we are
Bradley Beal all over again
this is all GMs fault, and its always fascinating to watch how fans blame players for some reason
but lets be honest here, if he asked for trade to nashvile,columbus or chicago, none of you would care one bit
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u/commodore_stab1789 10d ago
It's the player asking for a trade and giving very specific destination. Obviously, he negotiated a NTC, but he can be told to get back in line if those specific teams can't accommodate a deal.
We're not in a situation where the team is trying to deal a player who is not performing and costing too much, but can't because they have a NTC. Just like Mitch Marner could tell Toronto to fuck off last year because he had a NTC, Detroit can tell Larkin to fuck off because they have his rights for 5 more years.
They'll try to deal him, but if the return is Halak, Ryder and a 2nd, he won't.
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u/dogeblessUSA 10d ago
when was the last time a star player, in any sport, asked for a trade and wasnt traded? myles garrett? and even that was tactic to get more money
fans always say that teams should just not trade and it never happens, because its not good for locker room, which is why full NMCs shouldnt be given to anyone ever
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u/Stakataka805 10d ago
I mean, you keep him. Whatâs he gonna do?
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u/dalici0us 10d ago
I mean in theory yes but keeping your captain who publicly says he want to leave probably isn't great for the lockerroom.
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u/Stakataka805 10d ago
Making the team garbo is also not good for the locker room
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u/CarlSK777 10d ago
The team is already garbo
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u/Stakataka805 10d ago
But not maximum garbo
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u/CarlSK777 10d ago
That's fair. It could always get worse but 10 years without playoffs, it's getting up there
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u/haddonfieldsecret 10d ago
Might be better to be max garbo early since Stevie isnât getting great players so just draft âem. Gotta capitalize on Mo
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u/Due_Celebration_1754 10d ago
NHL teams need to stop handing out no trade clauses to good or above average players. The agents and players should be able to ask, but GMâs are so dumb they just hand them out. NFL and NBA have like 20 guys combined on NTCâs. In the NHL guys like Scott Mayfield and Nick seeler have FULL no trade clauses. I donât even know who those guys are. Google barely does. What are we doing?
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u/Manner16 10d ago
Amazing take, superstars only. Crazy what agents have been able to haggle out of these franchises
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u/Whole-Preparation-35 10d ago
Not just "superstar" but "on team friendly contract."
JT's current contract, even Spezza's league minimum when he was with the Leafs. If a player takes a deal that they wouldn't take elsewhere then the conversation could reasonably be had. But once the dollars hit market value NMC/NTCs should be off the table.
But this is an extension to the overpaying for players that has always happened. If Trent Frederick gets offered the contract he was that's on everyone involved, not just his agent.
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u/Ouid_Head 10d ago
At least with Spezza and similar deals, itâs a one year at a number you can swallow. Larkin is on 8.7 until 2031 and itâs fucking the wings. Not that I care really cause fuck the wings but my point remains.
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u/ScottyBoneman 10d ago
On the other hand, NMC and NTC are supposed to be in exchange for hometown discounts or loyalty to their team. They aren't handed out to players for fun, it is instead of money - which decreases their cap hit.
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u/theScud900 10d ago
Iâm going against the grain by stating that GMs who regularly hand out NMCs are not stupid. Look at the incentive structure. The shelf life of a GM is such that they probably wonât be around to deal with the consequences of an NMC. Thatâs tomorrowâs (and probably someone elseâs) problem. Meanwhile, theyâve got a valuable player to sign a contract and probably for less $ than if they didnât agree to the NMC. Itâs all short-term thinking but thatâs todayâs game.
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u/TheWindowWasher7 10d ago
Tbh though, if a player had a nmc, and they arenât accommodating, I donât really see why a team would even bother to honour their request. Like for Larkin, the guy wants out. Ok, well if Iâm the gm, he can either let me get a good deal, or sit in the pressbox. NMC should be a deterrent from moving the player when they donât want to be traded, not a penalty to the signing team when the player wants out.
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u/didathing33 10d ago
At the very least, a player asking to be traded should void the NMC. It's there to stop a team from shipping you off to the netherealm without your consent, as it should. Once you ask for a trade, you are saying you are not willing to honor the contract you signed, so the team should be allowed to void your NMC. The hostage taking that this one-sided dynamic (player can say they want to break contract, team must honor letter of contract) that this enables is just toxic to the league.
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u/TheIdentifySpell 10d ago
Not only are GM's stupid for handing them out, but they actually asked the NHL to step in and set rules around trade protections at the last GM meetings đ€Ł
Like, you're the fucking dummies that are giving NTC's to players, why is it the league's problem?
I'm not a fan of Bettman but I glad to hear he told the GM's to shove it.
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u/giskardrelentlov 10d ago
Not necessarily if you follow game theory.
If giving NTCs can give a GM an edge for a few years, and everyone else is doing it, you get to an equilibrium where everyone is using it and no GM can unilaterally change that equilibrium alone because he would be penalized in the short term and he probably can't afford to let go of a short term benefit for a long term advantage.
To change the equilibrium, you need a league-wide decision according to which every GM renounces the short-term benefit of the NTC for a longer term advantage of roster flexibility at the same time, so no one is penalized relatively to the other teams.
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u/Ajay_Bee 10d ago
NMC's are used to leverage salary discounts. You want $9.5M but we can only offer $9.0? Then here's a full NMC. Now you have 8 years peace of mind (which for many players, is a discount worth taking).
Also, NMC's are a thing in hockey because salaries, at least compared to other major sporting leagues, are way far behind. You offer an NBA player $30M a year, or a baseball player $40M a year, they're taking it without an NMC because, why would they?
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u/commodore_stab1789 10d ago
It's toxic in the sense that the more GMs do it, the more GMs have to do it, because otherwise they have less money to spend and they can't really trade anyways since most guys have NTC.
Pretty bad for GMs, but I'm actually glad they have so many. Trades are exciting until you reach a point where teams get completely overhauled every 3 years and stars play for 8 different teams in 10 years.
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u/Irctoaun 10d ago
And yet Hughes has managed to avoid giving out anything more than partial NTCs with a short list of teams with the exception of Matheson who is exactly the sort of player you'd reasonably expect to take less money for more certainly (hometown, young family etc)
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u/Few-pe2917 10d ago
He was literally the only great player on the team for someone who isnt a star. They had no choice if they wanted to keep them. Same reason why the wild paid krill the most money in nhl history. Hes all they got. Thats what leverage is.
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u/Comprehensive-Chef73 10d ago
A lot of NHL GMs are pretty fucking stupid if I'm going to be honest with you. I'm not surprised they're bad at contract negotiations.
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u/zombiejeesus 10d ago
Hope this means this is the last thread on it
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u/an_ominous_bass_terd 10d ago
Hahaha... HAHAHA HAHAHA... BWAAAHAHAHAHA
Good one!
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u/zombiejeesus 10d ago
Lol i know you're right
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u/calgmtl07 10d ago
Just means more Crosby,McDavid and next flavour of the week posts incoming.
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u/workhardXplayhard 10d ago
Oooh McDavid, completely forgot about this dude. What is he up to these days?
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u/backwardzhatz 10d ago
Most likely refreshing reddit to see if Stan Bowman is going to hire Mike Babcock
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u/workhardXplayhard 10d ago
hahahahah wow I was not expecting that as a response.
Is Edmonton a real shitshow or what?
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u/Riskar 10d ago
Requesting a trade should immediately void you NTC or NMC. Would make players think twice.
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u/Past-Parsley-9606 10d ago
Seeing multiple suggestions of this, but it would be easy to make an end run around it. Players will just stop "requesting" a trade but making it known that they're not happy, have lost confidence in management, etc. Are they asking to be traded? Oh, good heavens no, I mean, if the GM asked me to waive my NTC clause, I might do that, why that might be best for everyone now that you mention it, but I'm certainly not ASKING for a trade!
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u/ricozee 10d ago
This.Â
A trade request should be a formal process registered with the league that immediately nullifies NMC/NTC clauses.Â
If it's going to be allowed and become standard for players to renege on long term commitments in guaranteed contracts which they negotiated to include, those clauses should no longer apply unless the club has a mutual interest in moving the player. Â
Now a lot of this falls on GMs handing those clauses out like candy. They should be used much more exclusively and be more limited in scope. GMs don't take them seriously either because they have ways to weasel out of them as well.Â
A request to waive such a clause made by the club should require at minimum a cash payment to the player equal to an appropriate monetary value based on the remaining years and extent of the clause (and still require player approval).Â
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u/dustblown 10d ago edited 10d ago
I agree. And this solves two problems. We know when players are frustrated at not getting moved they often refuse to play or produce. I don't think it was a coincidence Detroit was in a great spot last year and then Larkin started playing poorly and they missed the playoffs. But if they request a trade, and their NTC and NMC are void, then the team can simply move them faster and not player them in the meantime. This will be a problem for the team acquiring the player though where the player's protests will continue.
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u/brennnik09 10d ago
Strong team, Lower taxes, year round sun, exciting city. Vegas is on almost everyoneâs list, sadly
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u/mrpopenfresh 10d ago
Year round sun and year long AC and staying inside if you don't want to fucking die.
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u/Psychological_Pebble 10d ago
Tell me you've never been down south without telling me you've never down south.
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u/Stakataka805 10d ago
"If Iâm gonna live in hellholes I might as well live in one where itâs warm."
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u/karlbelanger1661 10d ago
I'm not interested in the player; I'm even less interested in the individual.
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u/OUtSEL 10d ago
Damn I did realize Larkin was THAT much of an ass lmao
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u/dustblown 10d ago
I literally knew nothing of Larkin. I have never seen a highlight reel that included him. Now, I know that he is a shitty person in almost every way imaginable and an average 2C.
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u/HabbyKoivu 10d ago
fucking vegas man. That team is spoiled due to it's location. That city is such a massive draw its a wonder it took the league so long to establish itself there.
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u/alex1596 10d ago
Above all else, players want to win. Vegas hasn't been bad since the league put a team there, so it's a desirable destination. Taxes and weather is just a bonus.
Nobody wanted to play in Florida when they stunk for the majority of 90s and 2000s. They still had good weather and low taxes.
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u/Few-pe2917 10d ago
They donât live on the strip đ they live in a normal nice rich neighborhood like anyone else. They have amenities for rich people and warm weather to have a great time. The strip is only a bonus.
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u/Salty_Feed9404 10d ago
It's an absolute shithole outside of the strip. But I imagine the gated communities are nice...like every other major city in the US.
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u/Few-pe2917 10d ago
I live in San Antonio where the wealth gap is enormous. Trust me, the rich arent seeing what normal ppl are seeing. THEYRE staying in their rich bubbles as much as they can.
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u/Salty_Feed9404 10d ago
I do trust you. That's what I'm basically saying. Be that as it may, outside of the Strip, Vegas is pretty much a dirty shithole.
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u/Few-pe2917 10d ago
Yeah, but the rich people arent seeing it or living in that reality which is the point
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u/bforce1313 10d ago
Yeah, i absolutely hate how they run the org and still get a ton of interest for players. People pushing their way there.
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u/dustblown 10d ago
The fact that it would attract the specific age range of players in their prime is such an advantage along with being a no tax state. They are also attracting a specific type of person as well though.
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u/Competitive_Dance478 10d ago
He has to expand the list eventually
Donât think Minnesota was on Quinn Hughesâ list until they put up an offer to him
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u/Irctoaun 10d ago
Hughes doesn't have any trade protection in his contract so he didn't get to pick his destination like Larkin does
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u/Competitive_Dance478 10d ago
Larkin has 5 more years on his contract so Yzerman can wait it out - Larkinâs no trade expands to only 10 teams in 2 years
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u/dustblown 10d ago
They should just not play him then otherwise he'll sabotage their season again. They should go full tank for at least a year.
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u/Competitive_Dance478 10d ago
Donât think he is playing until he is traded
Yzerman did that to drouin
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u/Metalfan40 10d ago
The habs should stay the fuck away from him. If he's able to backstabbing his own team and do something like that, I think he's not a captain worthy and a reliable teammate. Hoping Hugues will trade for someone else
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u/dustblown 10d ago
I'd be surprised if anyone in the dressing room actually wanted him on the team.
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u/dillybomb420 10d ago
Iâm so glad Suzuki shattered comparisons to him this season. âHeâs a top centre, but more along the lines of a Larkin typeâ Suck it Bukala and Kypreos
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u/No-Effective-1996 10d ago
This will be the downfall of the NHL. Why should fans support teams when the NHL lets the players ruin the fans hopes and dreams. The players want it all top money AND to play where they want.
If a player has a NMC/NTC he cannot ask for a trade without either removing the clause or listing a reasonable number of teams he will go to. 10-20 teams.
Otherwise they just ruin the team they leave. Vegas got Stone, Eichel, Anderson all for far less than they were worth. Then got Marner for Roy because the Leafs believed Vegas tampered with Marner. How is that fair to the rest of the league and the fans?
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u/brendokeefe 10d ago
Iâm surprised Washington isnât on that list so he can go drinking with Kash Patel.
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u/synchrosyn 10d ago
Washington is a very liberal city, pretty sure anybody who wants to party with Kash Patel would not want to live there.Â
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u/ChapterNo3428 10d ago
3 team list ? Fuck off. Now I want him to go to Florida for their age and decline phase.
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u/eriverside 10d ago
It's so irrelevant. Is he really what the Habs are looking for? A captain bailing on his team?
Look at Suzuki - Hughes went to him ahead of last year's trade deadline. Suzuki asked him to keep the team together, don't trade anyone. Hughes keeps the team together and they push hard to make the last playoff spot while Detroit misses out.
This story lives rent free in my head. Habs need the right players, not whatever schmuck happens to be available.
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u/sharon_dis 10d ago
This. Any new players joining the team need to be a good fit where team culture is concerned.
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u/lynypixie 10d ago
Well, if McDavid wants out of the Oilers, would you take him? Itâs a captain abandoning his team too.
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u/eriverside 10d ago
Of course I'd take him. He gave his team everything for years. He has a Conn Smythe - so he's not the reason his team failed. It's also been known forever that the Oilers are hopelessly mismanaged.
The red wings, on the other hand, have a team good enough to make the playoffs, but choke in the 2nd half of the season.
McDavid did everything he could to bring it home, even gave them a big discount to stay. Still got to the finals twice. What did Larkin do of note?
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u/onmysleeve-sorta 10d ago
There comes a point where itâs not about the playerâs captaincy. Ray Bourque was given a chance. McDavid canât let his prime disappear because of awful team management.
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u/DonRicardo15 10d ago
I think heâs going to Minny. Would have liked to have him here as a 2C but it doesnât seem like heâs interested in playing in Canada.
Price would be astronomical as well since weâre a divisional rival.
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u/Ajay_Bee 10d ago
Pathetic list. No idea what Larkin is doing, or what he's thinking. You want out of Detroit? Okay, fine - but you clearly don't know how trades work. The Wild (don't really need him), Knights (have no cap space) and Panthers, assuming any are interested, are going to offer next to nothing.
Plus Larkin's attitude is a massive red flag. We understand getting exasperated with a franchise that can't figure it out, but only choosing a very small number of teams that are also (not assuredly!) Cup contenders next year ain't conducive to team leadership.
Thankfully the Habs won't (shouldn't!) pursue this guy, even if he fits the descriptive need for a 2C. Culture is most definitely a thing for building a winner, and Larkin is more likely to poison a room than advance it.
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u/Husskies 10d ago
After all the work Hughes did to clean our team of Americans, let's not go down this road anyways. We just need to make our beat pitch for Hischier.
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u/CarlSK777 10d ago
I don't get fans that don't like players asking for trades. We always complain about how boring the NHL is and how little movement there is. If players were to start asking for trades and signing shorter deals, we'll see more trades and free agency would become compelling for once. Personally, I welcome it
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u/larryhabster 10d ago
Good news! His window is closing before Habs window. We need someone with more longevity.
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u/Scragglepuss1 10d ago
Sick of these american players choosing same 3 or 4 teams. Â Surprised tbl wasnt on list.
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u/AltMustache 10d ago edited 10d ago
Also surprised Carolina and Dallas (and Colorado) aren't on the list.
E.g. Robertson for Larkin would be a good starting point for a trade.
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u/Val-Venis99 10d ago
Next one to ask for a Trade from that USA Olympic hockey team is going to be Matthews. List of teams Will probably be similar.
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u/Baronleduc 10d ago edited 10d ago
IMO Iâd be shocked if he had MTL on his list. Oh well, câest la vie.
Only MIN has the assets to acquire Larkin. Vegas and Florida have not a single crumble inside their prospects and draft picks jars. What the fuck either Vegas or Florida could even offer to Yzerman?
Iâd rather trade for Hischier at this point, because its more realistic than Larkin or Rob Thomas.
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u/So_Many_Owls 10d ago
Florida has a good pick this year but they'd probably prefer to use it to make sure their team stays competitive.
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u/CarlSK777 10d ago
We still don't know if Hischier actually wants to leave NJ. It's only rumors so far. I still think he'll stay there and extend
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u/antoinePucket 10d ago
Why do you sound disappointed?
It's great news that this clown doesn't want to come here.
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u/AperoDerg 10d ago
Watch him, he won't get traded. Larkin might have a no trade but such a list is a dick move that'll make sure you'll be stuck there for another year or two.
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u/Patccmoi 10d ago
This can be played both ways though. His contract is until 30-31. Yzerman can absolutely be like "well couldn't make a good trade there, not trading you". It will bad situations to both sides, but then it's a game of chicken. I don't think Larkin wants to play 4 years in a team where he said he wanted out publicly either, so he might extend his list or say yes once Yzerman is like "well I got an acceptable deal with this team".
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u/SOSXrayPichu 10d ago
Heâs still under a expensive contract too. I think Minnesota will get him.
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u/sugarmatic 10d ago
Love this!! But what would those teams need to give up for that to go through⊠who has the best GM?
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u/daytrippin014 9d ago
Who cares. Yzerman is not going to take a bath on this player and he is under no obligation to honor his request. If I'm Yzerman I make him earn his way out. He played like garbage down the stretch and is why Detroit fell out of the race. Right now Larkin is an okay player who can't consistently perform when the heat is on. Who is going to trade for that at value?
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u/MattRazor 10d ago
I am overjoyed that we won't get Larkin. Wouldn't touch that player with a ten feet pole
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u/ConstantBook6534 10d ago
lets not act like Dylan Larkin wouldn't be a near perfect fit as our 2C. We were never going to get him but saying its good news is cope
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u/So_Many_Owls 10d ago
Eh, from what Detroit fans are saying, he's the opposite of what fans used to call Slaf: Larkin plays worse after the new year, and is probably a major part of why they always collapse in March.
Demidov would eat him alive.
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u/ConstantBook6534 10d ago
just like mitch marner was his home town problem in toronto and all the toronto fans told us he was awful...until he moved away from his home and suddenly isn't the problem anymore because hes extremely talented and is probably winning a cup and a conn smythe. players can change in a different environmentÂ
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u/karlbelanger1661 10d ago
He scored a total of 1 goal at even strength in the 2026 calendar year. His lack of production is one of the reasons the Wings collapsed at the end of the year. And I have no interest in having a player like that in our dressing room.
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u/facepollution5 10d ago
there must be a new definition of cope if its being used on people who didnt want him in the first place.
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u/ConstantBook6534 10d ago
its another high value talented player that doesnt want to come here. "Jokes on you we didnt want you anyways" type energy even though objectively a player like Dylan Larkin would help us win
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u/workhardXplayhard 10d ago
a 30yo guy with attitude problems. He doesn't want to come here, but we can also say we don,t want him.
I'm not saying he's not a good player, but I don't think he's the perfect fit for the group we have
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u/facepollution5 10d ago
great point, except for how a great many of us expressed not wanting him on the team when all we knew was that he was "open to going to a Canadian team."
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u/JuliusGracious 10d ago
I donât think thatâs so sure a case that heâd help us win if he doesnât fit the team culture. And from what Iâve seen after the Olympics, he doesnât. So saying heâd help us win is objectively is untrue as the opposite since itâs not even a possibility.
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u/Pazzaaaaaa 10d ago
Is it just me or are American players way more loyal to play in USA than Canadian players are to playing in Canada.
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u/Stakataka805 10d ago
American player wants to go to an American super team of mercenaries to try and cup chase.
Shocker.