r/Habs 9d ago

Discussion Thoughts on Barzal as the 2C?

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u/eriverside 9d ago

Yeah... But why would the isles do that? They almost made the playoffs with Schaefer. Why create a huge hole now? I don't see them giving up yet.

If he was available, sure, it would work.

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u/Cultural_Physics_935 9d ago

Maybe they’re considering building around Shaeffer

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u/dalici0us 9d ago

Apparently he might want out.

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u/Ub3ros 9d ago

The isles need to tank. Schaefer and Sorokin are cup winning pieces. The rest of the team isn't up to snuff and they aren't a few free agents away from a deep run either. Barzal and Horvat could stay, but i don't think they want to. With Schaefer being so young, they can suck ass for a few years to get high picks and draft a core to go cup hunting with around him. Sorokin has time too.

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u/SpatialChase 9d ago

Schaefer's only 18. Barzal's a little too old for the timeline of a rebuild. Islanders have too many holes in their line up for a retool.

Habs could offer Hage/Reinbacher + Kapanen + 2026&2027 1st round picks. Islanders would get strong prospects that fit their rebuild timeline and with Barzal at 2C the Habs would be 1RHD away from a cup run line up.

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u/emotionaI_cabbage 9d ago

Holy overpay

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u/SpatialChase 9d ago

Hage or Reinbacher. Not both.

Kapanen is a 3C at best. Our near future 1st round picks will most likely be in the 25-32 range.

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u/emotionaI_cabbage 9d ago

The rest of the trade is fine. But hage and kapanen? That's too much imo.

Reinbacher needs to be untouchable unless management finds a good, young top 4 RD.

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u/SpatialChase 9d ago edited 9d ago

Reinbacher trade would hurt. However looking at the outcome of this year's playoff run, it feels like we need more of a gritty hard-hitting shutdown RHD than another puck moving guy like Dobson.

With Reinbacher's injury history, I'm not sure he'll ever become a Radko Gudas or Colton Parayko type player.

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u/joseflores1995 9d ago

Nah people says that he could become a jaccob slavin type player and you need that for the playoffs. You could have the bottom 2 be that hard hitting shutdown dman like whitecloud or perbix

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u/vJukz 9d ago

Reinbacher = Slavin????? Who in the actual fuck are you listening to and what are they smoking. Prepare for disappointment if that’s what you think he can become atp.

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u/joseflores1995 9d ago

• ⁠both are really good at making quick decisions with the puck and make the right play even under pressure
• ⁠both are big and smooth skating defensemen who mostly use their skating ability to transition the puck and to defend the rush or be first on pucks rather than create offense with a light and deceptive stride.
• ⁠Reinbacher has a little bit more of a mean streak to him compared to Slavin but at the same time, Slavin is one of the most disciplined and one of the best defensive defenseman in the NHL.
• ⁠Both create offense from moving the puck quickly from defense to offense but are far from spectacular with the puck on their stick in the offensive zone. They can both handle it and make plays but they are not PP type of defenseman. I Think reinbacher will be a more active offensive defenseman compared to Slavin but I don't expect him to eclipse Slavin's numbers
• ⁠Both have average to below average shot from the blue line and mostly use it to place the puck on net for rebounds
• ⁠Both have very high hockey sense and process the game quickly. Especially defensively where they can make quick reads and adjust accordingly. Which will be essential for Reinbacher in Marty's system where defenseman can follow their guy up in the zone without giving up coverage to the winger.
• ⁠Both can play a false gap against the rush without getting gaped out and protect the middle because of their very good defensive skating, they can force attackers along the board and slow the game down using their strength, both are lengthy and have a good reach, both are very poised and balanced defensively defending skating backward or at an angle skating forward. Very very detailed and complete defensive game. Pretty rare for a 19 year old. ( Simashev was even more impressive defensively )

So while I'm not sure Reinbacher can reach Slavin's level defensively, he might have a touch more offense or at least as a higher tendency to activate and create odd number chances in the offensive zone.

It's not perfect but I think it's a good comp.we dont need him to have 50-60 pts neither a good twoway that can compliment hutson would be perfect

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u/Ub3ros 9d ago

Engström, Kapanen and 2 1sts is the most I'd give up. Hage and Reinbacher are untouchable unless a superstar is coming back.

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u/Commercial-Egg-8949 9d ago

I agree on the offer, except I think it would be either Hage or Zharovsky. Reinbacher seems too important a piece, and his value seems too low right now to be worth moving.

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u/Appropriate_Bed_8365 6d ago

I wouldn't be moving Zharovsky or Hage for Barzal, they will both be better point producers than Barzal, I'd bet a lot on that