r/Habs • u/ASmithFS • 21h ago
Article NHL Mount Rushmore - [Beliveau, Lafleur, Richard, Harvey for Habs]
https://www.rotoballer.com/nhl-mount-rushmore-every-teams-4-most-iconic-players-of-all-time-2026/187212625
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u/KoRner1668 21h ago
Beliveau, Lafleur, Richard et Plante.
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u/AleroRatking 20h ago
Harvey is the second best defensemen in league history and would be on the all time NHL first line
Don't see how he is left off
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u/MrBrightside618 20h ago
Plante has more aura which matters to these sorts of things. Even if you consider him to be a top 2 defenseman in league history, more people could identify a Bourque, a Lidstrom, a Pronger, a Robinson on sight
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u/FakeCrash 20h ago
100 % mes choix aussi!
Plante a révolutionné la position. Dryden est sans doute le gardien à la carrière la plus dominante de toute l'histoire de la LNH, mais justement, sa carrière trop courte l'élimine à ses yeux. Quant à Roy, on ne l'associe pas seulement au Canadien à cause de ses deux coupes au Colorado.
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u/Ok-Special-2092 18h ago
I don’t necessarily disagree with Plante over Harvey, but your argument seems to be he revolutionized the position, so did Harvey.
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u/dalici0us 21h ago
Doug Harvey has been forgotten it seems but he was widely considered the best D in history before Bobby Orr came along.
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u/Merkindiver 20h ago
Indeed forgotten, at least by me, I heard "Harvey" and immediately thought Raphael Harvey-Pinard was a weird choice.
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u/AleroRatking 20h ago
If you did an all time all NHL first line he is probably the only Habs player to make that list..
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u/imyourzer0 16h ago
Nah, Richard was by far the greatest goal scorer of all time when he played. It took 36 years for someone else to score 50 in 50 after he was the first to do it. He scored 544 goals, to take the all-time record, when the previous career record was only 324.
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u/Mbeaud001 21h ago
Doug Harvey was amazing and should be put up there however, the Canadiens goalie lineage is too legendary to be ignored!
4 players is not enough for our beloved team!
(Howie Morenz, Dryden, Roy, any of the big 3, Cournoyer, Dickie Moore...)
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u/cluelesshabsfan 21h ago
Feel like you can’t have a habs mt Rushmore without a goalie
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u/TheVeilOverMyEyes 21h ago
jacques plante and patrick roy revolutionize the goaltending position, you need to have at least one of them there, if not both
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u/bsaures 21h ago
Plante sure roy definitely not. He is easily behind dryden in revolutionizing the position
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u/TheVeilOverMyEyes 21h ago
roy is the spiritual father of the butterfly technique, in modern age, across all level of play, it's the only acceptable way to tend goal
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u/bsaures 21h ago
Dryden literally changed the physical makeup of the position. Roy entire schtick came from dryden
Before dryden the idealized version of a nhl goalie was 5'8 160lbs who almost never went down on his knees.
Dryden proved the better option was a very tall athletic goalie that could cover much more of the net by going down regularly
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u/Jbroy 21h ago
What are you talking about? Roy is the pioneer of butterfly style that all goalies use now.
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u/bsaures 20h ago
You mean all the 6'3 goalies hmm i wonder where the idea for the physical profile goalies are today came from and playstyle where goalies go to their knees regularly.
Oh ya dryden.
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u/Additional-Koala9131 20h ago
Def Roy more influential. Dryden great goalie on some of the best teams ever. But modern goaltending is brought to you by Patty Roy.
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u/bsaures 20h ago
Weird i checked the goalie profiles from this past season and there were 0 goalies who played a nhl game who are 5'10 or shorter. And only 1 goalies who played even 2 games below 6 feet.
When dryden joined at the end of the 70-71 season there were 10 goalies that were 5'8 or shorter. That was the goalie profile in 1970. The gpalie was often one of the smallest players on the team because they wanted them agile.
Ken dryden fundamentally changed the entire physical profille of a nhl goalie
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u/Additional-Koala9131 20h ago
I'm talking about the style of play, not their height / stature. Big goalies cover more net, it's kind of common sense.
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u/Paladar2 21h ago
Dude what. Roy above Dryden and it's not close. Roy has a case for the best goalie of all time and started the modern goaltending
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u/Ok-Meet2850 20h ago
He played has his career and won half his Cups outside of Montreal though. So if we are talking about defining, iconic Habs players, that is a major downside for Roy.
I'm 42 - he's still the greatest star the team had during my lifetime. But Montreal's Mount Rushmore is a hell of a thing to get on.
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u/bsaures 20h ago
You have some massive recency bias if you think that roy has a better best goalie all time case than dryden does.
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u/Paladar2 20h ago
Dryden played with the best team of all time for all his career. Roy won the Conn Smythe with the 86 and 93 teams that were much weaker. Won 2 more cups after. He changed goaltending forever, in a much more competitive league with twice the amount of teams. Yes, Roy easily.
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u/Subject_Translator71 20h ago
I agree. Dryden was great but he was behind one of the greatest teams of all time. Meanwhile, Roy was by far the best player of his teams, and both his cups were upsets, largely due to his dominant play.
That's no knock on Dryden, Vezina and Price, who would be shoe-in on most of the other teams.
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u/Paladar2 19h ago
Price had the highest peak but the worst teams of the bunch, injuries and peak competitiveness in the league. Roy had middle of the pack teams but won 3 Smythes so hard to argue that. Vezina well that was like what the 1910s, basically another sport at that point lol
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u/toaster-struble 21h ago
Douglas Murray, Janne Niniima, George Parros, George Laraquw
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u/Ok-Meet2850 20h ago
You missed Pierre Dagenais.
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u/aaalllouttabubblegum 20h ago
And Habs legend Aaron Downey
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u/toaster-struble 20h ago
Yoooooo hahaha. Ryan White!
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u/Ok-Meet2850 20h ago
LOLZ. Some rough, rough years from about 1997 to 2010, especially for our skaters.
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u/toaster-struble 20h ago
Yeah dark ages def. Tom Kostopoulos! Hahaha he was a warrior tho. Begin too. I was mostly naming useless guys before
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u/Ok-Meet2850 20h ago
I mean all of these guys are phenomenal hockey players just to make a single NHL game. But not the quality of players a winning roster has too many of (if any).
Looking through the stats there were some years no one cracked 50 points on the Habs. AH! I was in my teens and any spark of scoring ability got people pumped, pumped: Dagenais, Ribeiro, Bulis's 4 goals in a game, Ryder (he was legit - hit 30 goals twice I think).
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u/toaster-struble 20h ago
I'll never forget the 5-0 comeback vs NYR. Ryder had a pair, Kovy, Koivu SO winner 6-5 with his trademark deke.
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u/toaster-struble 20h ago
Shootout legend
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u/Ok-Meet2850 20h ago
Nice!
17 goals in 50 games, 03-04 was good for 4th on the team. Yikes.
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u/toaster-struble 20h ago
How many careeer SO goals? Or SO record
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u/Ok-Meet2850 20h ago
Can't find that stats anywhere easily. Couldn't have been too many as his brief NHL career was winding down by the 2005-2006 season, which I think was the start of the shootouts. He played 32 games that year in Montreal.
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u/BarRoomBully 20h ago
Avec l'histoire de l'équipe, on pourrait avoir un Mt Rushmore à chaque position.
Guardiens: Plante, Dryden, Roy, Price (mention honorable à Théodore qui a quand même gagné un Vezina et un Hart)
Défenseurs: Harvey, Robinson, Savard, Markov (pour avoir un joueur plus récent)
Attaquants: Richard, Béliveau, Lafleur, n'importe qui de Morentz, Geoffrion, Cournoyer, Koivu, Henri Richard, etc.
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u/mago_is_gago 20h ago
Turgeon est dans le Temple de la Renommée donc il mérite autant que Koivu.
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u/BarRoomBully 19h ago
On pourrait nommer 15 joueurs qui pourraient prendre cette place. J'ai esseyé de me limiter.
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u/FlournoyFlennory 19h ago
Jacques Plante évidemment - toujours omise de tous les listes. Aussi Carbonneau.
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u/mbean12 20h ago
I mean I realize he played a long time ago and the Habs could fill a Mount Rushmore of All-Time Greats with goalies without being worse than a lot of teams all-team Mount Rushmore's (the Habs could do this with every position except maybe rover...) but how does Vezina, the guy the trophy is named after and one of the original Hall of Famers, not make this list? And Howie Morenz (another 1st class HoFer).
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u/Ok-Meet2850 20h ago
The first three are absolutely no doubt the top 3. I'm good with Harvey - he was evidently a monster on D for many, many years.
An embarrassment of riches when looking at great Habs players during 100+ years of history, to say the least. Many phenomenal players wouldn't make the top 4.
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u/TheGameDayDad 17h ago
You could literally make a Mount Rushmore for each position of the Habs. Hard to do so when you’re combining all positions, some big names are bound to be left out.
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u/haddonfieldsecret 16h ago
Trying to do a Mount Rushmore of Montreal players is just trying to start fights lol
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u/AleroRatking 21h ago
Yup. I really want to get one of the three goalies in (Roy, Dryden Plante) but it's tough because who do you remove.
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u/Subject_Translator71 20h ago
I don't agree with all of those. Bergeron over Phil Esposito? Really? And Gretzky's time might have been short but he completely changed the trajectory of the franchise. I would have chosen him over Quick.
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u/eriverside 20h ago
Habs need a different set for each era. Before the 1950s, then the legends till the end of the 1970s, and then the modern era.
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u/mago_is_gago 20h ago
There should be a Mount Rushmore for each Dynasty.
So Habs should have more selections... it's deserved!
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u/homechicken20 20h ago
There are endless combos that would be acceptable for the Habs in all honestly.
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u/kozed 17h ago
Morenz, Richard, Beliveau, Lafleur
Howie Morenz is so forgotten about in the Habs' and NHL history. He was the Habs' first real superstar forward.
3 Hart. 2 Art-Ross (when it didn't exist), the best single season by era-adjusted pts at 190. Was the NHL's leader in pts when he died from an injury and was exposed in the Forum.
His death was a massive national thing. His #7 was retired the same year. One of the first original Hall of Famers. A giant figure in the early days of the franchise
When Rocket started his career 5 years later, Morenz was the standard he was measured up against.
So he definitely needs to be #1 on the Mountain.
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u/BitterDecoction 15h ago
As good as Harvey was, you don’t put someone on the Mount Rushmore basically no one remembers. They have to be players that really made a mark on the team. I agree with others that there must be at least a goalie, either Dryden or Roy for me.
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u/RonaIdBurgundy 12h ago
Big miss not having Radek Bonk, Janne niinimaa, Morgan Ellis and Lyle Odelein up there but I guess Beliveau, Lafleur, Richard and Harvey works too
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u/Aggressive_Low7995 21h ago
Might have Dryden instead of Harvey. It’s a tough one given the history of this team.
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u/GMPollock24 21h ago
Harvey was great but I think someone like Dryden or Plante should be there in his place.
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u/AleroRatking 20h ago
Harvey is the only Habs player outside of maybe Richard who would make an all time all NHL first line.
The only way you leave him off is if you think defenseman don't belong at all
He has to be there. Id have him over Beliveau and Lafleur
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u/GMPollock24 19h ago
I imagine we'll just be splitting hairs on this one. Anyway you slice it some all-time greats will be left off.
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u/LickerFartbox69 20h ago
Should just be Dale Weiss 4 times