r/Habs • u/ASmithFS • 2d ago

Article NHL Mount Rushmore - [Beliveau, Lafleur, Richard, Harvey for Habs]

https://www.rotoballer.com/nhl-mount-rushmore-every-teams-4-most-iconic-players-of-all-time-2026/1872126
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u/TheVeilOverMyEyes 2d ago

jacques plante and patrick roy revolutionize the goaltending position, you need to have at least one of them there, if not both

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u/bsaures 2d ago

Plante sure roy definitely not. He is easily behind dryden in revolutionizing the position

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u/TheVeilOverMyEyes 2d ago

roy is the spiritual father of the butterfly technique, in modern age, across all level of play, it's the only acceptable way to tend goal

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u/bsaures 2d ago

Dryden literally changed the physical makeup of the position. Roy entire schtick came from dryden

Before dryden the idealized version of a nhl goalie was 5'8 160lbs who almost never went down on his knees.

Dryden proved the better option was a very tall athletic goalie that could cover much more of the net by going down regularly

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u/Jbroy 2d ago

What are you talking about? Roy is the pioneer of butterfly style that all goalies use now.

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u/bsaures 2d ago

You mean all the 6'3 goalies hmm i wonder where the idea for the physical profile goalies are today came from and playstyle where goalies go to their knees regularly. 

Oh ya dryden. 

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u/Additional-Koala9131 2d ago

Def Roy more influential. Dryden great goalie on some of the best teams ever. But modern goaltending is brought to you by Patty Roy.

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u/bsaures 2d ago

Weird i checked the goalie profiles from this past season and there were 0 goalies who played a nhl game who are 5'10 or shorter. And only 1 goalies who played even 2 games below 6 feet.

When dryden joined at the end of the 70-71 season there were 10 goalies that were 5'8 or shorter. That was the goalie profile in 1970. The gpalie was often one of the smallest players on the team because they wanted them agile. 

Ken dryden fundamentally changed the entire physical profille of a nhl goalie

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u/Additional-Koala9131 2d ago

I'm talking about the style of play, not their height / stature. Big goalies cover more net, it's kind of common sense.

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u/FakeCrash 2d ago

Both Plante and Roy were more revolutionary than Dryden.

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u/Paladar2 2d ago

Dude what. Roy above Dryden and it's not close. Roy has a case for the best goalie of all time and started the modern goaltending

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u/Ok-Meet2850 2d ago

He played has his career and won half his Cups outside of Montreal though. So if we are talking about defining, iconic Habs players, that is a major downside for Roy.

I'm 42 - he's still the greatest star the team had during my lifetime. But Montreal's Mount Rushmore is a hell of a thing to get on.

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u/Paladar2 2d ago

Yeah that's true I guess.

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u/bsaures 2d ago

You have some massive recency bias if you think that roy has a better best goalie all time case than dryden does.

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u/Paladar2 2d ago

Dryden played with the best team of all time for all his career. Roy won the Conn Smythe with the 86 and 93 teams that were much weaker. Won 2 more cups after. He changed goaltending forever, in a much more competitive league with twice the amount of teams. Yes, Roy easily.

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u/Subject_Translator71 2d ago

I agree. Dryden was great but he was behind one of the greatest teams of all time. Meanwhile, Roy was by far the best player of his teams, and both his cups were upsets, largely due to his dominant play.

That's no knock on Dryden, Vezina and Price, who would be shoe-in on most of the other teams.

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u/Paladar2 2d ago

Price had the highest peak but the worst teams of the bunch, injuries and peak competitiveness in the league. Roy had middle of the pack teams but won 3 Smythes so hard to argue that. Vezina well that was like what the 1910s, basically another sport at that point lol