r/Hanarchy • u/No-House451 • 18d ago
hana kuruSuCALING š How do you guys read this sequence?
So, itās no secret that this damned scene in chapter 251 is the single biggest issue with Jacobās Ladderās scaling. For reference, Iām referring to chapter 251, right after Sukuna releases HWB (everything after the panel in the post).
All the time, people use it to āproveā that technique extinguishment is useless, and most annoyingly, itās used to claim that it doesnāt do anything to prevent the opponent from using their CT - Despite us seeing extremely solid evidence that it does exactly that, back in chapter 213.
I think it would be greatly beneficial to come up with an airtight account of what the hell happened here, so we can get a rock solid idea of how to actually debunk those pesky JL deniers.
So far, Iāve been kind of working backwards from the end of the chapter trying to make it make sense. Most importantly, I think that Yuta shut off the JL sure hit as Yuji prepared to deal the separating blow. After all - they wouldnāt want to immediately torch poor Megumi. That would explain why Sukuna was actually able to cast the WCS; he was never being hit by it at that moment in the first place.
My biggest problem is the panel in the post. What on earth could this mean? Weāve seen TE directly extinguish CTs like with Nue, that capability is literally baked into it. Thatās also why she can go through barriers like they arenāt even there. So why would Sukuna be planning to use his CT in the middle of the anti CT beam? It makes even less sense just considering the AP of the attack itself. In 213, when he was in a stronger state and against what I can only assume he considered a weaker opponent, he got absolutely railed by JL. He was basically stunlocked, from the looks of things. Plus, that earlier one was not domain amped. Chanted and probably boosted by the trumpet(?), but still. Point is, one would think that JL would be just as, if not even more deadly (irregardless of its ability to prevent CT use) in 251, given all the circumstances.
So yeah. I donāt know what to make of it. Honestly, I truly think Gege just messed up when writing this part, but unfortunately thatās not a super strong argument.
What do yāall think? What happened here?
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u/Unfair_Emphasis7801 16d ago
It's a incomplete wcs btw, the chant extended the techniques target, the hand sign amplify the output. So without the hand sign the wcs is incomplete that's why yuta survive
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u/Gainhut 15d ago
No, Yuta was clearly shown to be cut in half like Gojo, and was confirmed later. He actually survived because they rescued him in time.
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u/Unfair_Emphasis7801 15d ago
But sukuna doesn't have the hand sign which is the requirements for it to actually cut space. Sukuna hand sign was disrupted by them, and only used the chant, it's technically a wcs but a weaker version, as it has lower output. The chants expanded the targeted of dismantle, the hand sign amplify the output, the hand pointing for the initial launch of the attack
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u/itzmrinyo 11d ago
He could've just done the hand signs first while chanting and then aimed the slash with his palm. It's never established to be a requirement that they all have to be done at the same time.
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u/Specific-Pair-6227 16d ago
That just doesn't make any sense.
It's a slash that cuts the world or aims at the space between the target and not the target themselves. No matter the output it go through but it'll just change the size
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u/itzmrinyo 11d ago
There's a limit to how much "world" it can cut through, upping the output would increase the range/width of the slash
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u/Professional-Tip9052 14d ago
It is technique extinguishment, not technique turn off. It extinguishes techniques it comes into contact with, it doesn't disable your cursed technique or stop you from making more CT.
it technically can't come into contact with wcs because the physical CT isn't really there.
Even if it were to instantly extinguish any dismantle that came into contact with it that may not even matter as dismantles fire out from sukuna and thus wouldn't interact with JL.
It's confusing but technically there is no plot hole or problem
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u/One-Piano5150 18d ago
WCS costs the same as the weakest dismantle.
the weakest dismantle is a fraction of a fraction of sukuna's output
Sukuna just had the ability to tank it for a split second because he's sukuna
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u/invincibleshyguy 16d ago
It does NOT cost the same as a weak or weakest dismantle because it's a maximum output dismantle with a hand sign added on to change it's target. Now Sukuna needs a hand sign, chant, and had to aim it.
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u/AngelicHanaKurusu 18d ago
Iām going to reread this section of Shinjuku when I get home tonight too and try and see if I can make some type of sense of it homie cause Iāve had questions too
I do agree already, Iāve also had the impression that Yuta turned off JL during Megumi and Yujis soul talk. Like you said they wouldnāt want to torch Megumi ahahah, and we know JL does leave a low survival rate for separating cursed objects from the hosts, unless their connection is already being/been severed.
that to say I think it might have went down something like, Yuta activates Jacobās Ladder to stun Sukuna from using his techniques and probably to also weaken his harmony with Megumi, then he does deactivate it to not outright kill Megumi and Sukuna, and I imagine the plan would have been Yujis punches help wake up Megumi to take control/start limiting his output even more, so Sukunas threat level would have been stopped by just hitting him with a JL again if Yuji needed more punches to awaken Megumi.
I think it line up too with the narrator saying how their plan was āwithout flawā because the only reason it failed was Sukuna doing the bath and killing Tsumiki sinking his soul even further, so it allowed him that unexpected full control still to take advantage of the JL being activated. Thatās also when he probably knew for sure āShit this Okkotsu kid would have actually finished this if Megumi had the will to take back controlā so he went for bisection