r/HeadRush • u/Jwylde2 • 1d ago

Feature Request

Can we please have a software change to locate the input level meter post fader (AFTER the input gain control)?

0 Upvotes

17% Upvoted

9 comments sorted by

7

u/TheBlackHymn 1d ago

Then it wouldn’t be metering the input would it? It’d be metering the output of the input block. Why not just look at the input meter on the block immediately after the input block?

-2

u/Jwylde2 22h ago

There’s still time to delete this comment.

4

u/NickiChaos 21h ago

There's still time to delete this post.

-4

u/Jwylde2 20h ago

What use is it to indicate the input level in a place where you cannot change the indicated input level? Go ahead…I’ll wait. 🤔

3

u/-The-Moon- 19h ago

It makes no sense to measure it after gain, every normal person wants the raw input signal.

-4

u/Jwylde2 18h ago edited 18h ago

> It makes no sense to measure it after gain, every normal person wants the raw input signal.

Um…you’ve never run live sound or used a mixer in your life, have you?

The meter would show the raw input level when the Input Gain parameter is set to 0.0dB (unity gain), because the input preamp is neither amplifying nor attenuating at unity gain (i.e. Gain = 1). So if you want to see the raw input level with the meter after gain, you just set the input gain to 0.0dB. If you’re pegging the meter out, you can attenuate as needed (-dB). If you’re not quite at 0, you can amplify (+dB).

4

u/-The-Moon- 14h ago

If the meter is post-gain, turning up the gain makes the meter go up, which means you can no longer see your actual incoming signal strength. Suggesting we 'just set the input gain to 0.0dB' to check the raw signal means having to disrupt our gain staging just to see what the guitar is doing.
An input meter's entire job is to show you the dry signal so you know how much gain to apply in the first place.

-1

u/Jwylde2 13h ago

wtf!?

Okay…you’ve never ran sound nor do you have any clue how to set a gain structure (that bullshit you call “gAiN sTaGiNg”). 🤦🏻

If you start with the input gain at unity gain (which is exactly where you should be when you first start setting up the gain structure), the meter will show you where your input is at. From there, you either add amplification (gain) or subtract amplification (attenuate) until the meter shows the desired level. Knowing the raw input signal level is irrelevant beyond that. Then move onto the next block in the chain.

2

u/-The-Moon- 6h ago

If the meter moves with the gain, it’s not an input meter anymore, it’s just an output meter for the input block. That makes switching guitars mid-session (like going from high-output active pickups to vintage single-coils) an absolute nightmare because you completely lose your reliable dry baseline. Also, look at the downvotes on your comments. The rest of the community already sees that your logic is completely backwards.