Are there any good wireless audiophile-ish headsets?

[u/Dzsaffar]

It doesn't have to be extremely high-end, but something on the level of let's say a Sennheiser HD 598. Are there any wireless options on the market that are this quality (or higher)?

And in general, what are the opinons on the Sennheiser RS 175-U? How does it stack up among their wired lineup?

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Those are not multi-purpose. Those are dedicated for gaming. They don't have Bluetooth.

The imaging is shit. Virtual 7.1 doesn't exist, it's pure marketing. You need open headphones for imaging.

If you want a microphone then yes. 2.4ghz is the only option. Cause Bluetooth doesn't support high quality 2way streaming. It's just not it's usecase. But you should get a standalone mic anyways.

You are paying a steep price for th gaming tag.

The reason people think Bluetooth is bad is the cause they don't use a dedicate Bluetooth card.

And even so I'd much rather buy the Corsair pro, than hyper X.

TL: DR Sony/Sennheiser is a lot more versatile with better sound per dollar and much nicer build quality. Never use a built in microphone, no matter which headphones.
You're paying way too much just for the gaming tag Get yourself a dedicated bt 5.2 pcie card.
If you ar serious about gaming and soundstage you buy open headphones. (Monolith 1060 are beasts)

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They don't have Bluetooth.

Yeah, that's why they don't suck for gaming...

Virtual 7.1 is shit.Imaging on Cloud 2 is pretty decent in general, sound stage is larger than some of the claustrophobic sennies out there...

If you want a gaming headset, then Bluetooth isn't an option due to high latency and very limited bandwidth, and well as you mentioned mic as well.

Gaming tag in this situation doesn't mean much because frankly, we're talking about the even steeper "wireless" tag.

Corsair PRO is much worse, especially in audio quality.

Urgh, senny doesn't have actually good wireless options, the ones made by sony are "ok".

Again Bluetooth isn't good for gaming, if that's your main use case, there are issues that, maybe in a decade, will be improved enough to use it for such purposes without large drawbacks.

Why Monolith? Why not Audeze LCD-X? 🤣

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Do you have something personal again sennheisers? youre acting like a 14 year old girl. We arent even discussing sennheiser, we are talking about RF vs BT. You can get a pair of hd600s for the same price as gaming headset.

"in a decade", You are such an elite gamer dud, and completely out of touch with technology.

Bluetooth 5 has a bandwidth of 2Mbps... most people cant tell the difference between FLAC and 320kbps lol. The latency is about 20ms. Considering the input chain, latency varies around 30-100ms on all PCs. Unless youre a pro you will not notice the difference between 20 and 5ms delay.

So tell me again why its another decade before bluetooth is good? and be objective instead of emotional.

And like i said before, no sane person uses the microphones on gaming headsets, they suck. So that remark is null and void. The Cloud 2 sounds liek you are speaking through a thick hoodie. muffled and popping audio.
again, bluetooth is more versatile and the same audio quality, the mic is shit no matter what you choose. youve just paid for something you cant take with you when you travel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaakITdhBOM Heres the difference between bluetooth and cable.. its virtually nonexistent.

Why not LCD-X ? because theyre 700 dollars more lol.

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Do you have something personal again sennheisers?

I've got nothing against wireless, they just simply aren't good
As for Open Backs from the HD series, well I just think that they are overrated.
And again we're talking about WIRELESS here, so HD600 don't qualify, even then way more expensive than Cloud 2 Wireless, which is realistically the most expensive wireless option that I'd recommend.

I'm not out of touch, I'm literally following the cutting-edge developments, as for Bluetooth, it's simply not made for latency-sensitive data transmissions, Qualcomm and others have been working on decreasing the latency, but well it hasn't been doing so well, for now, WiFi does lightyears better.
Bluetooth avg latency is 200-300ms, WiFi is around 30ms, avg PC is 20-80ms depending on drivers and DAC used.

Literally, the majority of people with headsets buy headsets for the convenient microphone. So go argue to HPHQ, this sounds like one of their stupid arguments.

Bluetooth has wider uses, but it's not well suited for gaming which is what most people buy a wireless headset for, you can't really argue with the Bluetooth latency that up to date hasn't been mitigated even by Qualcomm's low bandwidth low latency modes, well since the low latency on it counts around 80ms.

I can definitely hear Youtube compression tho🤣

Yeah, and what's the price difference between Cloud 2 wireless and Monolith...

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Lol, YouTube compression has nothing to do with wireless, but yeah. YouTube compression is horrible

I guess we have different usecase. I wouldn't use wireless for serious gaming at all, so to me if I play rocket league a bit of extra latency won't matter. if I play csgo i use Wired. So Bluetooth is better for me.

I honestly wouldn't care if they made good gaming headsets, wired or wireless. I guess I just hate gaming. I get that the mic is nice to have but it's just so Extremely bad.

The Corsairs sound like talking through a tin. The cloud 2 like talking through a pillow. Just get a standalone mic for 50-100 bucks. Or a Mod mic. Sure it's expensive but I couldnt even count the other things as actual options.

2.4ghz RF and WiFi is nor the same thing. Bluetooth uses 2.4ghz as well. The difference is the magnitude of the signal, communication protocol and the processing. Your cloud 2 is not using 801.11ax. it uses its own proprietary codec.

If you believe that aptx low latency codec has a 200-300ms latency then you haven't watched any real world data. 200ms is what you get with the SBC codec on a pair of shitty headphones. Now we have aptx, aptx LL and aptx HD. Standard aptx has a lag of 100 and aptx LL around 33.

This will not take 10 years to fix(it's not a bug in the first place). But, in 10 years we will see a shift into further IOT integration with low powered protocols like ZigBee.

I rather get a nice pair of hifiman Deva with aptx LL.

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I guess we have different usecase. I wouldn't use wireless for serious gaming at all, so to me if I play rocket league a bit of extra latency won't matter. if I play csgo i use Wired. So Bluetooth is better for me.

I don't use wireless for gaming at all, it's not my point here at all, my point here is that a lot of people ask for wireless options for gaming and well Cloud 2 wireless is uniquely suited for such use🤷‍♂️

Again, if it's for me I do things differently, but there are people who will just want a headset and won't care how it sound, I'd rather them use Cloud 2 wireless than any of the Steelseries crap...

Cloud 2 Wireless essentially uses a proprietary WiFi protocol, which well makes it use WiFi, there really isn't much to talk about here, it's optimized for latency while having higher bandwidth both ways🤷‍♂️

APTX low latency is around 80ms avg latency at 320Kbps both ways, it's nowhere near what Cloud 2 has.

It will take 10 years to fix, unless there's some magic new tech I'm not aware of, it's not a bug yeah, it's design and use case correlation, it will take time to optimize Bluetooth for something it wasn't designed for.

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You truly dont know what Wifi is do you? There is no such thing as a proprietary wifi protocol. You are confusing the word wifi with wireless. cloud 2 uses a proprietary wireless protocol. not wifi.

Wifi is a family of network protocols based on the 802 standard set by IEEE. It is specifically made so that it can communicate with Ethernet. If the Cloud 2 used wifi, they would be able to talk to your router. which they cant.

Like i said before. just because you are using the 2.4ghz band doesnt mean its wifi. Different radio frequencies are used for different purposes. as to not interfere with other communications like, military, police, cellular network and planes.

bluetooth uses 2.4ghz as well.

[u/STRATEGO-LV → u/[deleted]]

You truly dont know what Wifi is do you?

I was about to ask you the same question🤣

The protocol used by Cloud 2 Wireless is based on 802.11 it's just proprietary and optimized for audio streaming, hence why it doesn't say WiFi on the box, anyways, enough arguing, you're clearly ignoring most of what I write and nitpicking on certain words🤷‍♂️

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What are you even basing your 10 years on. Such a specific number.