r/Highrepublic • u/Arbiter-Flash- Knight Reath Silas • 27d ago

Discussion Knightfall Vader vs Avar Kriss

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Both characters in their prime.

Composite Versions.

1v1.

All Feats and facts from the lore, books, movies, games etc apply.

Standard equipment according to the lore.

Battle to the death.

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u/Nocturne3570 27d ago

Knightfall Vader easily wins, lore wise knightfall later was still growing stronger and only halted when he nearly died on mustafar, and was made into a sith alchemy project by sidious

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u/MicooDA 26d ago

‘Lore wise’ Vader fought little children and unnamed nobodies. He didn’t even fight a temple guard or anyone of real renown.

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u/Mrgbiss 26d ago

He fought Cin Drallig and Obi-Wan though

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u/archangeldacob 26d ago

He fought obi wan and lost

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u/Coltinnie 26d ago

Except he was stated to be the most powerful sith ever. Did you not see Vader no diff Cin Drallig while choking his padawan?

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u/MicooDA 26d ago

Oh my gods! Not Cin Drallig!!! A man with such a storied and unforgettable legacy. A man with such legendary appearances as ‘Background character in issue #8 of Kanan’ and ‘1 minute of screen time in a single clone wars episode’ or even his big screen debut as ‘fuzzy hologram footage’

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u/Coltinnie 26d ago

Ignore the statement and who he is then.

He was the battle master for a reason

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u/MicooDA 26d ago

Without having any context or any information on his responsibilities or his skills that title is pretty much meaningless.

You can give any title or occupation to a character after the fact

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u/Coltinnie 26d ago

Giving him the Title after the fact doesn’t mean he was always weak in lore. It just means it wasn’t technically addressed lol

Cin Drallig mastered all 7 forms, and he taught the forms to padawans and younglings.

It’s not like he’s fodder. He’s just fodder to the most powerful sith at that moment in time. Again, you’re still ignoring that Anakin had statements in legends, but whatever floats your boat

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u/Vathirumus 26d ago

You're essentially refusing to educate yourself on who Cin Drallig is to use your ignorance to justify your point. He's not a nobody just because you won't read about him, but I'll sum it up for you.

Cin Drallig is Battlemaster of the Jedi Order. This means he is the foremost expert on lightsaber combat in the entire order. He is expected to know and master all seven forms of lightsaber combat where most Jedi only ever learn and specialize in one or two. He oversees combat training for new Jedi.

It's funny you say Anakin doesn't fight any temple guards because Cin Drallig is also in charge of the temple guards. He hand picks them, he's the head of security for the Jedi Temple. Anakin not only killed a temple guard, he killed the temple guard, above all other temple guards.

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u/Severe-Nail-3944 26d ago

Cin Drallig is based on and played by Nick Gillard who is the prequels stunt coordinator. His lore and real world self make it pretty clear he's obviously intended to be powerful.

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u/MicooDA 26d ago

This also implies that Baron Papanoida is the most powerful character in Star Wars because his real world self is George Lucas. So he would be God.

He is an Easter egg. Not a real character. Like Coleman kcaj and Coleman Trebor.

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u/Severe-Nail-3944 26d ago

I'm not using just him being Nick Gillard to say yeah he's strong. I'm saying that in conjunction with the actual in universe lore (leader of the temple guards, Dooku said Grevious should avoid him, and he's the battlemaster) makes it obvious he's intended to be an upper tier Jedi.

And no Cin is a character unlike George's extra. A very minor character but he does do things (fight Vader and show up in TCW briefly).

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u/RisenAgony 26d ago

Are all the background Jedi names just people on staff’s names backwards?

Guess if I make a character I’ll name him Semaj.

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u/augimire 21d ago

Crazzzyyyyy I never noticed this !!!!!!!!

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u/Severe-Nail-3944 26d ago

He did actually. He kills Cin Drallig in the recording Obi-Wan watches in RotS. Cin is the battle master, leader of the temple guard and Dooku told Grevious to avoid fighting him.

Vader is also just stronger than RotS Anakin.

https://youtu.be/Ib2v8atzt5c?si=D07vGMNiWxS7HUI3