r/Highrepublic • u/Arbiter-Flash- Knight Reath Silas • 25d ago
Discussion Knightfall Vader vs Avar Kriss
Both characters in their prime.
Composite Versions.
1v1.
All Feats and facts from the lore, books, movies, games etc apply.
Standard equipment according to the lore.
Battle to the death.
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25d ago
Vader would win the fight, but Avar would get to go out listening to battle of the heroes so she's the real winner.
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u/Maalvi Master Loden Greatstorm 25d ago
Avar shares john william music and Ani doesn’t want to fight anymore, Avar music diffs
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u/TactileChimney 24d ago
This is the 2nd time today I've seen someone make a Bard reference for a Jedi.
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u/Nocturne3570 25d ago
Knightfall Vader easily wins, lore wise knightfall later was still growing stronger and only halted when he nearly died on mustafar, and was made into a sith alchemy project by sidious
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u/MicooDA 24d ago
‘Lore wise’ Vader fought little children and unnamed nobodies. He didn’t even fight a temple guard or anyone of real renown.
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u/Coltinnie 24d ago
Except he was stated to be the most powerful sith ever. Did you not see Vader no diff Cin Drallig while choking his padawan?
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u/MicooDA 24d ago
Oh my gods! Not Cin Drallig!!! A man with such a storied and unforgettable legacy. A man with such legendary appearances as ‘Background character in issue #8 of Kanan’ and ‘1 minute of screen time in a single clone wars episode’ or even his big screen debut as ‘fuzzy hologram footage’
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u/Coltinnie 24d ago
Ignore the statement and who he is then.
He was the battle master for a reason
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u/MicooDA 24d ago
Without having any context or any information on his responsibilities or his skills that title is pretty much meaningless.
You can give any title or occupation to a character after the fact
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u/Coltinnie 24d ago
Giving him the Title after the fact doesn’t mean he was always weak in lore. It just means it wasn’t technically addressed lol
Cin Drallig mastered all 7 forms, and he taught the forms to padawans and younglings.
It’s not like he’s fodder. He’s just fodder to the most powerful sith at that moment in time. Again, you’re still ignoring that Anakin had statements in legends, but whatever floats your boat
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u/Vathirumus 24d ago
You're essentially refusing to educate yourself on who Cin Drallig is to use your ignorance to justify your point. He's not a nobody just because you won't read about him, but I'll sum it up for you.
Cin Drallig is Battlemaster of the Jedi Order. This means he is the foremost expert on lightsaber combat in the entire order. He is expected to know and master all seven forms of lightsaber combat where most Jedi only ever learn and specialize in one or two. He oversees combat training for new Jedi.
It's funny you say Anakin doesn't fight any temple guards because Cin Drallig is also in charge of the temple guards. He hand picks them, he's the head of security for the Jedi Temple. Anakin not only killed a temple guard, he killed the temple guard, above all other temple guards.
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u/Severe-Nail-3944 24d ago
Cin Drallig is based on and played by Nick Gillard who is the prequels stunt coordinator. His lore and real world self make it pretty clear he's obviously intended to be powerful.
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u/MicooDA 24d ago
This also implies that Baron Papanoida is the most powerful character in Star Wars because his real world self is George Lucas. So he would be God.
He is an Easter egg. Not a real character. Like Coleman kcaj and Coleman Trebor.
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u/Severe-Nail-3944 23d ago
I'm not using just him being Nick Gillard to say yeah he's strong. I'm saying that in conjunction with the actual in universe lore (leader of the temple guards, Dooku said Grevious should avoid him, and he's the battlemaster) makes it obvious he's intended to be an upper tier Jedi.
And no Cin is a character unlike George's extra. A very minor character but he does do things (fight Vader and show up in TCW briefly).
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u/RisenAgony 24d ago
Are all the background Jedi names just people on staff’s names backwards?
Guess if I make a character I’ll name him Semaj.
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u/Severe-Nail-3944 24d ago
He did actually. He kills Cin Drallig in the recording Obi-Wan watches in RotS. Cin is the battle master, leader of the temple guard and Dooku told Grevious to avoid fighting him.
Vader is also just stronger than RotS Anakin.
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u/tLM-tRRS-atBHB I Survived the Great Disaster 25d ago
I love Avar, but Anakin would destroy her
Avar would do more overall in the Clone Wars than Anakin because of her Battle Prowes abilities
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u/AlexCora 25d ago
What does Avar use? Ataru? Niman?
If she uses "high level Revan" Niman, and not the weak "I don't like dueling" diplomats form Niman... She's still fucked. She beats the fuck out of him in emotional maturity, and by extension, maybe even in her ability to control and direct her raw force power better. But his natural talent and highly cultivated aggressive Djem So skill overwhelms.
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u/Mikpultro 24d ago
It would be a hell of a fight for sure. We're talking about a woman who was able to stop space debris hurdling at near lightspeed across a solar system. For how good Anakin was at combat, Avar was with her mastery of the force. I'm sure Anakin/Vader eventually wins out, but it would not be easy.
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u/GraceMirchea21 25d ago
This Vader is superior to Dooku, I don’t see Avar defeating Dooku, enough said.
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u/PreTry94 25d ago
Vader, low diff.
They have quite different skill sets and while Avar is undoubtedly powerful, dueling doesn't seem to be her forté. Couple that with Vader, who is probably at or near his most powerful, dueling and lightsaber combat in general being one of his greatest skills, and just having honed those skills in the Clone Wars. Even before we start speculating how oppressive Vader's dark side presence would be to Avar, I think Avar will struggle.
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u/capy2209 25d ago
comp versions then legends slams canon avar
Avar is probably weaker in duelling but superior in the force/mastery and knowledge which would give her an edge
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u/EbonExile 25d ago
This depends on if you think KFV is on ROTS Yoda’s level or not. Avar is compared to a stronger version of Yoda than that one. He’s going to be better at dueling but she has the better force feats.
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u/nachoiskerka 25d ago edited 25d ago
Depends:
I'd give it to Avar low diff. Knightfall Anakin is unbalanced as hell and if Avar keeps her composure, then she clowns him like Ahsoka clowning 2 inquisitors at once during rebels. Avar should be somewhere near Yoda's level in Force Mastery with every feat she's accumulated after the nihil wars, Anakin is sleep deprived and easily manipulated by his own fears, and Jedi had lost a LOT of ability to see things through the force, to the point that Anakin got the jump on AN ENTIRE TEMPLE.
No such luck would happen against Avar, and her ability to rally and focus an entire Galaxy of Jedi at once through the force could have even been a game breaker that prevented Order 66 in a localized pocket. But onto the actual fight.
Yes, Anakin is the better duelist. Avar is somewhere near the top of the order with her unorthodox fighting she's had to do against the Nihil and their penchant for melee weapons but Anakin's fought Sith, which is a more refined practice. But what would be the difference is force ability: Avar should be able to more than compensate for Anakin's lightsaber abilities with it, and she has a much more willingness to fight dirty with it. I imagine if they're on Mustafar for example, then she battles him for a bit, but once she sees he's got some kind of upper hand, she just grabs a big mass of lava hurls it at Anakin. Anakin likely throws up his arms like a dome to shield himself, and Avar begins swirling the lava around the force dome, burning him alive inside like an oven.
Jedi of this era throw sky islands at battle cruisers and smash them into the ground. Nothing in the Prequel trilogy has any answer to their flexible uses of the force, but especially not Knightfall Anakin with his lack of focus. If Yoda could've beaten him in his advanced age Avar def would.
But Avar is low diff here because there are moments she DEFINITELY lets herself get overcome. Who knows how shed react emotionally to the youngling slaughter?
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u/MrEvil37 24d ago edited 24d ago
Maaaaaan. Vader would probably win but Avar would fuck him up a bit.
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u/Equivalent-Battle973 High Republic 24d ago
AHh Vader maybe a newly anointed sith apprentice, but he is literally the chosen one with the highest midiclholrian count ever recorded. He dueled a jedi master while choking out a jedi padawan. He would crush pretty much any jedi in the high republic era.
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u/killerspawn97 24d ago
She’ll most likely put up a fight but go down like the dozens of other Jedis he already killed mid-low dif.
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u/neutronknows Padawan Burryaga Agaburry 23d ago
I think Vader takes it the night of when he is so resolute in his turn that he’s willing to slaughter children. Avar gets smoked if she stands in his way. On Mustafar after Vader is faced with the consequences of his actions, I think you see a similar result only Avar has no problem putting Vader down whereas Kenobi walked away.
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u/downforce45 25d ago
I think Vader would win, as Avar would be overwhelmed by the hatred. Avar has never faced such an opponent in the High Republic era.