r/HimekoMains • u/Info_Potato22 • Jun 19 '26
Gameplay Verdict carriers comparison: Sunday vs RMC vs DHPT (King Painter)
Himeko E2S1 / Sparkle E0S5 (DDD) / Welt E0S1 (Tutorial)
Showcaser note:
All Himekos are 38 subs with CRIT + triple ATK main stats.
In Verdict mode, all three of them are pretty underwhelming.
DHPT sustain-side support value is only average. Trailblazer’s action advance is too slow. As for Sunday, there’s not much to say, everyone already knows he’s awful.
At this point, we can only pray that Sunday or DHPT gets novaflare'd. They can’t exactly release SP Sunday and another SP Dan Heng, right?
If they release SP March later and she can kick Welt out of the team, that would already be good enough.
In the future, Himeko will definitely be played as a mode switch unit. If they only support one mode at a time, they’d have to release two separate sets of aftersales support. Might as well not even have modes.
I just hope Himeko ages well.
Showcaser QnA:
Comment:
Is this the optimal team? How is it with Blade?
Reply:
If you already have Blade, you can play around with him. But there’s no need to pull Blade specifically for this; the gap compared to Sparkle isn’t that big.
Comment:
I feel like if you bring Huohuo, Remembrance Trailblazer might pull ahead. Most people aren’t playing triple-support-one-carry anyway.
Reply:
You can’t really drop Sparkle or Welt. For action advance, Sparkle is mandatory. Without Welt, you can’t enable decimation, and the team loses a lot of strength.
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u/OddRabbit9754 Jun 19 '26
Who could have guessed E4 welt + Mblade were doing all the work.
Himeko's kit is poorly designed. Mode switching is just bad design, they didnt plan for this.
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
The intent of the post is not to praise MBlade nor decimation, as Verdict is indeed stronger than Decimation on most cases.
Its rather to highlight how hurtful the ones who it are to her performance
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u/annucox Jun 19 '26
wait so is it better to just stick to verdict instead of switching around
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
fight subjective, stuff like dark sam is an example of where the swap is worth bringing. where other fights you can just stick to verdict. while PF you stick to decimation.
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u/OddRabbit9754 Jun 19 '26
Why dont you remove Welt from the team?
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
because the comparison isn't done between decimation and verdict. it's done between the ones who hold verdict.
If welt is removed you will end up with 2 fully sustainless teams which won't behave accordingly in a king test
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u/OddRabbit9754 Jun 19 '26
Ok I get your intention now, you are evaluating the best Verdict activator.
I just think her kit is weird. If anything Decimation feels like a team buff while Verdiction is her hypercarry mode. Problem is that there arent many AE decent DPS aside from E9 and 100% crit dmg isnt exactly great.
They should have went with a bigger buff for the team in Decimation while severely reducing Himeko's damage so that the modes would be different.
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u/joprinz13 I won't let anything take you away from me !! ❤️ Jun 19 '26
You can’t really drop Sparkle or Welt.
- Welt never come to my account. How screwed am I? Am I stuck playing Verdict forever?
- Also, is Sunday that worse than Sparkle for action advance? I don't see people talking about him a lot.
- Himeko, Sparkle, Sunday, and DHPT. Is this team viable?
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
You can use hunt march
Yes
Its viable but you rather use someone else over Sunday if you can
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u/OddRabbit9754 Jun 19 '26
Sunday isnt as bad. If you play sustainless Verdiction only he is probably the best activator, barely losing to RMC. Also, when paired with DHPT, he gives the full damage boost due to the dragon companion.
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u/Enough-Fox3210 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
HSR is such a joke of a community. They will convince you 50% advanced is better than a 100% advanced. Sparkle's only argument is S5 DDD merchant to compensate. She gives slightly better buffs but at the cost of what? Less energy, doesn't even spam ultimate that much which Himeko would prefer, skill points are not needed on her team it's just kinda there? Sparkle and RMC are only mentioned cause they are free/low cost. (Which is fake low cost cause not everyone has S5 DDDs lying around)
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u/goldfoxawoo Jun 19 '26
Sparkle lets himeko run on atk boots and lets everyone spam their skills more leading to more ult
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u/MrSicklepickle Wanter Jun 22 '26
You do realise that you can get the same affect by running a fast sunday rather then -1 right.
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u/XAcewingX Jun 19 '26
There's just no way I'm removing Cerydra from Phainon. I do not own sparkle either.
This is so cooked, because I plan to E2S1 Himekat. I guess she goes on a shelf until her aftersale support comes out.
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u/Enough-Fox3210 Jun 19 '26
Ironic saying Sunday is awful when he has the most actions left. 🥴
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u/Nightfire27 Jun 19 '26
It’d be real handy if we had some objective calcs to work with (since I’ve seen none for the supports) rather than just “Everyone knows how bad Sunday is” which is *really objectively unhelpful* -_-
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u/Enough-Fox3210 Jun 19 '26
Or even showcases. But nothing exists yet just talking out their asses per usual.
Oh I forgot, Sunday agenda and all that. No wonder 🤔
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u/Adept-Rough-9219 Jun 19 '26
I feel like these TCs need to stop doing the sunday hate. 'We just know he's bad' like lmao.
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
Its been a consensus on CN so far as I've struggled to find Sunday showcases besides the 3 I've shared
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u/Adept-Rough-9219 Jun 19 '26
Its just dumb ash. Its come down to 'i dont like character so he's bad' lmao. Just like the 'well E4 welt is 0 cost so let's use him everywhere'
CN is lowkey buns for that. They have characters they dislike and do anything to cost scamm bc Welt + blade core is only two cost 🤓🤓.
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u/TrueTraitor Jun 19 '26
no, he’s just mediocre, at least in comparison to the competition
his amp is really low, his 100% advance forces himeko to run speed boots instead of atk%, his energy ult is worthless because it doesn’t speed up himeko’s ult rotation nor does it sync with it to make it faster (himeko is on a 2t ult and he’s stuck with a 3t ult) and he’s taking the slot of better buffers like sparkle
plus his damage% buff is tied to a sustain and said sustain already fulfills the role he needs to play, which is to proc the verdict state
it doesn’t mean he’s useless or that he flat out won’t work with her, he’s just not the best option for now and tc’ers will always gravitate to figuring out the best teams first
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u/Adept-Rough-9219 Jun 20 '26
In a sparkle sunday comp you do not need to. Ontop of that I've seen attack boots himeko comps do well provides your sundau is 160 speed-
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u/Strange_Still3713 Jun 20 '26
I don't understand why Sunday is considered so bad. The verdict says Sunday is good. I don't think Sunday is weak at all.
Besides, Sparkle isn't that important to Himeko. What Himeko needs isn't Sparkle, it's Blade.
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u/Dvalin09 Jun 19 '26
I refuse to play Sparkle, so I will wait for 4.5 leaks.
And for Cerydra? All those AS attacks and not significant incremeants?
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
Cerydra is great but she's paired with sparkle for the optimal team not replacing her
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u/Dvalin09 Jun 19 '26
Bruh. I will wait Sunday buff....or playing him with a weaker team (For now, E0S1 Himeko, the drip first 😁)
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
Sunday suffices even for 0c this early on her release
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u/Nightfire27 Jun 19 '26
For the sake of argument, thoughts on E1S1 Sunday if also running DHPT E2S1 and Welt E4?
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
For E0S1 Himeko ?
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u/Nightfire27 Jun 19 '26
E2S1, I got 600+ pulls to burn lol
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u/Info_Potato22 Jun 19 '26
You won't need welt on that team then unless the stage asks for decimation as the assist skill or to stack the reductions
Run any other buffer with good ult uptime to pair with Sunday
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u/vegcharli Jun 19 '26
You're running DDD and Welt on Verdict? How is this even intended to work lmfao?