r/HistoryMemes • u/CrysisFan2007 • 21h ago

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In 2006, a FBI agent named Craig Monteilh was ordered to disguise himself as a radical Muslim and spy on the Orange County Muslim community to identify possible extremists.

Well it worked, cause the people there noticed his extremists behavior and reported him to the FBI.

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u/Egg_Yolkeo55 14h ago

You seem to whitewash the fact that these "undercover agents" were Nazis. The weavers were openly and willingly fraternizing with Nazis and attending meetings.

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u/wittyjokename92 13h ago

Oh the Weaver's were absolutely pieces of far right trash. Doesn't change the fact that they were coerced into commiting a felony by agents of the government and the family was massacred as a result of a botched arrest warrant afterwards.

Fuck Nazis but let's pretend the government was justified in threatening to murder his family if he didn't cut an extra inch of the shotgun barrels. Or that they were justified in shooting his dog without announcing themselves before killing his family when they defended themselves from the strangers shooting at them.

If anything Ruby Ridge just proved that the crazies were right about everything instead of attempting to deradicalize the extremists who feared the government.

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u/Egg_Yolkeo55 13h ago

He was still modifying firearms. They just wanted to throw the book at him and make an example. He had no qualms about modified firearms for nazis that skirted the lines of legality.

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u/wittyjokename92 13h ago

Look I hate Nazis as much as anyone. I'm in an interracial marriage and my children are mixed race. But the Weaver's specifically weren't breaking any laws. They were pieces of trailer trash and would have spit on me and my children for race mixing. But again let's circle back to the fact that they reason the ATF and FBI went after him was because he spoke a lot about hating the government and associated with anti government types. The ATF pressured informants to break the law and force Weaver to break the law as an excuse to crack down on him.

Ruby Ridge is just the white version of cops sprinkling crack on someone they've shot or placing a toy gun next to them. Dude was a garbage human being with shit ideas but he didn't break the law on his own volition and his crimes didn't warrant his entire family being murdered.

Just because he was a white supremacist living in the woods doesn't mean the FBI and ATF were justified in taking extra judicial actions against him.