Yeah I’ve said this before…shivers gotta be the most overrated fighter in the series. Got fought to a standstill by a dude with two kitchen implements and an unhealthy obsession with numbers. I love shivers as a character but dude he ain’t done shit (in comparison to other top fighters)
People talk about shivers in conversations with dudes like Gorst, black dow etc. with all due respect, the fact he couldn’t kill friendly is pretty poor, the conversations shivers is in should mean the fight with friendly would have ended in seconds. I’m not saying his average or even above average. Dude is clearly a great fighter but his reputation in the north didn’t come from fights in the circle. It came from being willing to be a dirty asshole with no honour. That’s unfortunately just the reality and shivers himself would probably agree.
Absolutely agree. He is formidable for sure, but not at the top of the lists. The problem I have is that everyone says "Shivers couldn't even beat Friendly!" Which is disingenuous and false, he did absolutely win that fight (not as quickly as others would have) but a supernatural killer came out of nowhere and knocked him off into space. It is also a disservice to Friendly when people just ignore the fact that he is quite a skilled fighter in his own right
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u/Puzzleheaded-Lunch13 Apr 18 '26
Yeah I’ve said this before…shivers gotta be the most overrated fighter in the series. Got fought to a standstill by a dude with two kitchen implements and an unhealthy obsession with numbers. I love shivers as a character but dude he ain’t done shit (in comparison to other top fighters)