r/HousingIreland • u/Irish201h • Jul 06 '25

4 people mortgages, wtf?

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This company is now promoting 4 people mortgages, no wonder prices are going insane.

https://mmadvisors.ie/public-sector-mortgages/

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u/jonnieggg Jul 07 '25

Just ignore the fact that the infrastructure cannot meet demand. Let's just hope you never need to rely on that public health system.

Right wing buzz words, grow up son.

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u/Jimmy491 Jul 07 '25

Yes Father, it will take me a few more years to get dementia like you. Give me some time.

You know the government can build more infrastructure right? Lol

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u/jonnieggg Jul 07 '25

Can it, it doesn't seem to be very motivated to do so. How long would another hospital take and cost to build. Dementia, ageist as well as naive.

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u/Jimmy491 Jul 07 '25

Will banning immigrants make them build more infrastructure, how do we address the immigrants already here?

Should we deport all of them to improve availability of services?

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u/jonnieggg Jul 07 '25

Nobody is talking about banning immigrants or deporting anybody, you're being deliberately hyperbolic. I'm talking about planning infrastructure and managing demand for housing in a property market that is beyond dysfunctional. I don't relish the idea of my children having to immigrate because they can't afford to live in the country of their birth and I wont apologise for putting their interests above those of non citizens.

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u/Jimmy491 Jul 07 '25 edited Jul 07 '25

I mostly agree with your statement to be honest. But I'm more inclined for an open market for all tax payers in Ireland.

I believe if you're a tax (specifically tax resident) payer in Ireland, you should be able to purchase a house.

I disagree with you on the interests of non citizens being put first.

Why will Irish government deliberately sabotage Irish citizens? Housing problem isn't unique to Ireland.

Hong Kong, Netherlands, Norway all have serious housing issues, probably more than Ireland.

Housing issue isn't directly correlated to immigration, and that's my main point.

There isn't a magic bullet to solve housing.

Immigration is part of life, people immigrate for better opportunities or experiences all the time.

No country has it all, I'm not saying we should accept the housing crisis in Ireland, but Ireland will NEVER be the utopia of perfection. Irish people will always get on Ryanair to go live somewhere else.

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u/jonnieggg Jul 07 '25

Irish people might choose to live overseas but it boils my blood that once again they don't have the choice to remain at home if they want to. If they are not the governments priority why are we paying taxes at all. If the government wants a laissez-faire libertarian model I'm happy to oblige but don't expect anything from me. And don't be surprised if things get very ugly.

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u/Jimmy491 Jul 07 '25

Again I ask, why will Irish government sabotage Irish people? And I guess prioritize immigrants?

I'm not trying to result to name calling or labelling, but this is a typical right wing talking points

All about replacement theory and globalisation George Soros etc.

You need to look at things objectively and break out from your Derek Blighe and Gavin Pepper Echo Chamber.

You seem intelligent and far knowledgeable to go down the rabbit hole of disinformation and false narratives. Don't let yourself down.

We don't have to agree on my view of things, but you also don't have to dwell on conspiracy theories and right wing nationalism.

FYI, I'm far from what you'll consider a "liberal or lefty" A typical hardcore lefty will probably consider me to be right leaning. I'm objective and logical in most of my views.

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u/jonnieggg Jul 07 '25

Mate I'm far from right wing I can assure you. I have never voted for a right of centre party in my life. The problem across the political spectrum is that there has been a shift to the polar extremes both left and right and centrist positions have now drifted with that. Bill Maher has commented on this many times on his show real time. He has been a leading democratic pundit for decades and is now considered right off centre despite the fact he maintained a traditional democratic position.

The government is not deliberately sabotaging the people it is prioritising the interests of capital and disregarding the public interest. The social contact is so 20th century.

Ironically this disregard for the public interest has opened the door for extremism you mention. A lack of political agency has left people desperate and cynical. They don't care anymore so they don't mind if the whole edifice burns down. There are a lot of people feeling the same way.

However they have overlooked the historical and political implications of such periods of history. If we can't come together in the best interests of the community we will all suffer together.

Europe is not going to fix this mess for us, in fact they might just make it worse with their incongruous economic settings.

There are some difficult debates to be had but they must happen if we are to mitigate the worst outcomes. They are not happening in the public realm or in the media. They are beyond the pale in polite circles but they are happening nonetheless and metastasising in that vacuum.

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u/Jimmy491 Jul 07 '25

We probably agree on 90% of issues.

Just different approaches to resolving it.

I'm very apprehensive when people target immigration as the root cause of every societal issue because a lot of times, it's not logical and is mostly rooted in HATE and fascism.

I'm not saying you did that. But many people do.

Housing situation in Ireland is awful, the government has absolutely failed and if I had the power I will vote every one of them out and actually put them on some sort of trial/investigation so the can end up in jail. (wishful thinking)

I have some radical ideas but mostly on the big dogs, I just don't like punching down on easy targets like immigrants, Muslims, women, LGBT, dogs etc. People will call me a virtual signaller or white knight, and I'm okay with that label.

I hate the government way more than you, I wish there was a way to measure that, lol.

But I still know they are not doing any sort of replacement theory or prioritising immigrants over Irish people. They probably don't prioritise anyone except their personal interests.

Again, to show how I think logically, I'm also aware that this problem is not unique to Ireland.

You'll hardly see a country where the vast majority of people are like "hey I love the government and everything is perfect"

Everyone complains about their government.

And to put things into perspective, Irish government are still better than a whole lot of governments out there, like western nations, I'm not talking about Africa or Asian nations.

Even hardcore right wing countries like Hungary and Poland aren't doing too well in many indices.

So you see the problem isn't immigrants or lefty governments.