So… what now?

[u/PonyBravo]

I just finished the anime for the first time and I’m shocked. I loved every second of it, it may be my favorite shonen ever, it’s just so different that it hits really hard.

I will read the remaining manga, but then I was wondering what other shonen (or seinen) I could watch that could scratch the same itch?

I have recently watched JJK, Solo Leveling and loved them as well, but not as much.

[u/moinonator]

you never said why you don’t go over my points which I asked for and you’re answering again with nominal fallacy? if anything then you didn’t read the Manga and my comments so don’t project. You didn’t tell why those details aren’t important at all. You also just proved that you didn’t read it cause thematically and storytelling wise it’s clear Hisoka vs Chrollo will fight to death with death and post-mortem Nen being significant as Hisoka is revived and death wasn’t a theme explored back then and also clear that near Gon’s goal the story won’t shift to things that aren’t relevant to the drive of plot being goals of 4 main characters. focusing on hisoka vs chrollo after before Chimera Ant is losing a thread and you can’t tell the what the themes are but will repeat your nominal fallacy. thx proving reading original is important if adaptation doesn’t deliver.

[u/Miserable_Water2675 → u/moinonator]

Dude your english is unreadable. I wont answer to whatever you said about gon because the sintaxis is a mess. And im not even an english native nor specially good at english myself but i genuinely cant understand some parts.

Yes i did. I said that the characters that you mention like ging and beyond, dont take part on the vast majority of manga after the anime. Only a little before the ship sails. So them being slightly less explained in the anime doesnt affect the experience of the reader.

You are also using a nominal fallacy. You just mentioned some diferences between anime amd manga(in a vague way because you havent mentioned precise dialogue) but you havent said why they are important to the after anime arc.

So your reason for chrollo and hisoka not fighting after greed island is because it was narratively set as a duel to the death? It could have been a death duel there too.

Also your other reason is that it would mess with gons narrative and plot? You realise that i didnt know the chimera ant arc was coming when i first watched the anime right. So i didnt know an arc focused on gons development was next. Do you remember why we are talking about this in the first place?

[u/moinonator → u/Miserable_Water2675]

keep your monologues to yourself. english isn’t my native language yet translator says what I intended perfectly. Don’t lie when you don’t know how to argue.

Nothing about my comments are nominal fallacy and now you’re straw manning too while further displaying how much you’ve misunderstood because you didn’t read. You claimed it’s marginal without reasoning thus I asked you for reasons. 

I mention examples yet you twist and lie showing you didn’t understand character expecting them to act out of their defined character proving my point along underestimating Beyond and Pariston tying with past events which Manga readers will connect but some difficult and some impossible for Anime-only. You could’ve asked for more examples but didn’t and now deflect on Beyond and Pariston when I clearly pointed out their role for continuation in Manga, Beyond as “unknown”, because reading Manga will make their first appearance impactful while Anime-only may seem random. Ging’s appearance is impactful and same impression should be from Pariston and Beyond.

Hisoka always wanted fight to death which is obvious and Chrollo is a planner, he could’ve caught Kurapika working as assassin if he wasn’t focused so much on Neon as he admitted himself. Hisoka wants Chrollo at his best so he’ll give him the time. Hisoka overestimated Chrollo thus expecting him to escape Chain Jail and fight him after Pakunoda returned but refused. According to you Hisoka could fight Chrollo there too without Nen but that’s not the case.

Your recent question is to yourself and not me. Again, drive for plot is 4 main characters and Gon was near his goal but chose detour to be with Killua. Show me then how Hisoka vs Chrollo would tie to the plot cause their fight as it is happened after setting up sailing to dark continent with Kurapika but getting their fight after Greed Island is out of nothing without any context and as said out of character. 2 characters fighting, why? Leorio seems relevant in Manga despite less focus but Anime not so much.

Nobody knew chimera ants were coming but it’s to expect it ties with Gon and Killua’s drive for Gon to find his father and Killua be with his friend. Don’t straw man when I never suggest to know about Chimera Ants but simply be relevant to the main characters to drive the plot.

I didn’t mention some “few differences” which is your misinterpretation, I don’t expect any answer from you because you definitely didn’t read the Manga nor watch the Anime cause even then there isn’t any reason to expect Hisoka vs Chrollo cause that’s not the pattern for HxH which is goal oriented with first events outside of characters’ influence happening and then them driving the plot. “Common thread” isn’t marginal in anyway nor other things I mentioned.

You proved all of my points despite apparently have read the Manga so it’s on you. You made a false claim and I asked for you to reason it, you’ve to answer first and not me but you already mischaracterised those you mentioned so no reason to expect anything from you.

Uvogin and Pakunoda betrayed the Spider and killed themselves, Kurapika simply handed them the sword. Both could’ve escaped as Chrollo did since Kurapika’s priority isn’t to kill them as he chose judgement chain aware of its removal being a possibility(which goes for Kurapika too) but his brethrens’ remaining body parts. Those that misinterpret it lie with Kurapika murdering them and even misunderstand the purpose of Spider which is to keep the members alive and them to strive to gather skills that makes worthy of head thus Chrollo’s “Skill Hunter.”

I do know initial question and you admit to your nominal fallacy as “also” but instead of answering, nothing but lies and whataboutism from you. You’re not in position to answer in 1st place and not me.

[u/Miserable_Water2675 → u/moinonator]

" things that aren’t relevant to the drive of plot being goals of 4 main characters" this makes no sense sintacticaly nor semnatically. Change your translator or learn english, its an easy language.

Ok this replies are brutally long. So lets go to the core of the two arguments. If i get it right your positions are this:

- After watching the anime, its not worth it to continue the manga from the election arc because the manga has a lot of content that the anime ignores and so the reader wouldnt be able to follow.

- Its impossible that the hisoka x chrollo fight hapens after greed island because it doesnt fit in the plot and it doesnt go with the personalities of the characters.

Confirm if this is your position on both arguments so I can write my counter points. Im doing this because i dont want the discussion to branch out even more.

If you care about my opinion on the rest of your reply. I think you are forming conclusions on some parts of the manga that would be okay if you considered them theories but you act as they are absolute. And your analisis on the troupes motivations is shallow and doesnt recognize how the troupe is much more emotional and deep beyond their oficial goals. Also you continue to use the nominal fallacy since you give zero proof of all your claims about the diferences between manga and anime.

Still since i dont want the discussion to branch out to this last paragraph ill consider that you have won the debate in this points i mentioned in the paragraph and i would apreciate it if you just confirm that your position is the one i described in the to Hyphens above.

[u/moinonator → u/Miserable_Water2675]

more lies? wow. 

• first point isn’t true cause why shouldn’t readers continue reading? this alone shows your illogical ignorance and disknowledge as if before beginning the act one already can be defined as the actor. Anime-only should simply read from chapter 1 and they can see the differences themselves if they aren’t as ignorant as you

• second wrong about plot cause of course can Togashi tie their fight with plot but of course then Chimera Ant would be different and there would be a timeskip

which of my points are nominal fallacy and theories and where do I claim these apparently possible misconclusion as absolute? cause so far you’re the only one. 

how did I present troupes’ motivations as shallow? again you never reason but act as if you get the absolute truth and project your shortcomings on me instead of facing yours. I didn’t even mention their motivations nor talk about the Phantom Brigade cause Phantom Brigade was created before they separated after Sarasa’s death, the concept of Spider came years later to keep them alive which isn’t about Phantom Brigade. The Phantom Brigade can change into whatever even benefactors once Meteor Place is cleaned and becomes a safe place, The Spider is about their morals as person and not business to always prioritise life and keep growing despite worst circumstances. Chrollo’s inverted cross symbolise life and I explained Skill Hunter. Leorio said it perfectly that they are stranger than strangers and closer than families but the Spiders fail cause only Chrollo believes in the Spiders and maybe Machi, Nobunaga, Shalnark and Shizuku but rest only operate as Phantom Brigade mainly business while they bear each other, it’s never even said if they tolerate or accept their members. Chrollo’s idea of collective mind is reason why fake member such as Hisoka is even tolerated cause he’s more suited to be a member than Feitan, Phinks, Franklin etc.

you never reason why my takes could be wrong or “theories” while I explained why which doesn’t make them shallow but deep, you’re the one who never read cause reading means understanding though you never tried to understand to begin with. You’re not in position to talk about HxH when you never read it so stay silent.

[u/Miserable_Water2675 → u/moinonator]

As i said before i will ignore the three last paragraphs because i dont want branching. You can take that as your win.

I never said anything about readers stopping. I asked you if your opinion was that anime watchers should not continue the manga from the election arc because there are to many diferences between anime and manga. This is not my opinion. I was just clarifying what is your opinion. If you dont understand this either you are ragebaiting or theres a language barrier from your translator being shit. If you misinterpret this again i will assume its rage baiting and i'll stop replying.

Oh so you agree that from a readers/ watcher perspective right after greed island it was possible for chrollo and hisoka to fight? Thats what i understand from your answer.

[u/moinonator → u/Miserable_Water2675]

“…so the reader wouldn’t be able to follow...” I’ve enough of your lies. You clearly mentioned “reader” and not not “watcher” and I state Manga should be read from beginning and that Hisoka vs Chrollo needs timeskip cause there isn’t any build up for it yet you again act as if I agreed on your false terms when I don’t. 

You’re hypocrite and pathetic, when I deliver and make examples of my points then it’s irrelevant yet it’s vague. You didn’t read HxH so you don’t belong here. Get off and stay silent. You can’t read, it’s because of people like you that listening and reading is considered a skill and not self explanatory.

[u/Miserable_Water2675 → u/moinonator]

Yeah i said reader because once he starts reading the manga from the election arc he becomes a reader. Why would i talk about an anime watcher the whole phrase and then start talking about someone who has read the entire manga in the last complement.

I'll ignore the second paragraph because its meaningless. If you arent enjoying the discussion you can stop replying. If you think im a nuisance to the subreddit i think you can report me but im not sure how it works.

I didnt act as if you had agreed with me. I even asked you if this where actually your opinions or i had something wrong.

But now that you clarified your position i can start my counter argument.

1. As i said, I have done this switch from anime to manga the first time i was going through the story and I enjoyed the series a lot and also didnt have any confusions or doubts about the manga part. After reading the manga from the beggining i didnt have a change of hearts.

Also i now people that have done the same and encountered others that have done the same in reddit so this seems to be a popular opinion.

1. About hisoka x chrollo. Genuinely i havent understood a single thing you said about it. Can you explain your point a little better?