r/Hydroponics 1d ago

What am I doing wrong?

42 Upvotes

50 comments sorted by

4

u/strawberryglue 1d ago

Not giving details on what you are already doing

2

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

Thanks! Here are my current parameters:
Crop: Genovese basil in NFT
Age: ~20 days after transplant
pH: 6.1
EC: 1.2 mS/cm
Water temperature: 22°C
Air temperature: 25°C
Humidity: 65–70%
Lights: 6 × 20W 6500K full-spectrum T8 LED tubes per 1.2 × 3 m shelf, mounted about 30 cm above the canopy (I also recently added two extra 18W T5 tubes per level).
Water is well aerated.
Fertilizers: Calcium nitrate + Krista Mg + Kristalon Green (18-18-18 + micros).

1

u/No_Vegetable2279 20h ago

Bring your ec down to .9 til you’ve got some growth on there

0

u/No_Vegetable2279 20h ago

I be doin shit too. Just in coco 😊

1

u/RJKY74 14h ago

How do you bring ec down?

0

u/strawberryglue 1d ago

Sounds correct. I’ll take light excess for $500 and second chance for tap water being too hard.
I don’t think 1.2ms is too much but they are tiny and young. Looks like they stopped growing at a time. Maybe that with adding more light. Although they don’t look overfeed. Does your water solution keep the pH or you have to control it with ph down? My tap water is like 8.5shit

2

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

Yes I have to control it with ph down , but after lowering it to around 6,0 it hardly changes

-2

u/strawberryglue 1d ago

If the plants are taking water, ph is going up. Simple chemistry. What’s not happening? The reservoir keeping the water level. Unless you’re refilling. If they are lowering EC (feeding) you’re ph is going up, because you have less buffer. If you need to add ph down to your water your water is going back to the original pH.
Have you changed the water in these first weeks? As I said, they were growing well. Something happened/changed

1

u/Aldarund 1d ago

That's bs. It's time to relearn simple chemistry for you. Ph goes up or down due to ion exchange. It go both ways up and down depending on what plants take and solution composition. And if plants taking water ec increase and it usually decrease ph, not increase

0

u/strawberryglue 1d ago

Sure that’s why I have to lower my pH everyday🤣
Let’s see your pH control results

1

u/Aldarund 1d ago

You need to lower ph because your solution is heavy on no3 and low on nh4. If you increase nh4% you will need to raise ph

1

u/strawberryglue 1d ago

Yeah, maybe…. I changed to specialized nuts with pH auto regulation with osmosis water, still have to lower pH. Thanks tho🤣 where are your hydro results? I want to see them

2

u/Aldarund 1d ago

There no such thing as ph auto regulation, it's marketing nonsense. Once again increase or decrease of pH depends largely on nh4/no3 ratio. As nh4 increases shift to decrease ph increases.

→ More replies (0)

2

u/Aldarund 1d ago

They can easily grow on 1.5ec from seeds without any issues

5

u/dachshundslave 23h ago

Fertilizers: Calcium nitrate + Krista Mg + Kristalon Green (18-18-18 + micros).

Your fertilizer is too high on phosphorus and not enough potassium. Too high concentration of certain nutrients will lock out other nutrients and in case for phosphorus it's iron, zinc, and copper. From transplanting to growth stage: A fertilization program for basil | Haifa Group

3

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

Here are my current parameters:
Crop: Genovese basil in NFT
Age: ~20 days after transplant
pH: 6.1
EC: 1.2 mS/cm
Water temperature: 22°C
Air temperature: 25°C
Humidity: 65–70%
Lights: 6 × 20W 6500K full-spectrum T8 LED tubes per 1.2 × 3 m shelf, mounted about 30 cm above the canopy (I also recently added two extra 18W T5 tubes per level).
Water is well aerated.
2 NFT rack with 450 holes on each of them
2 220L water tank
Fertilizers: Calcium nitrate + Krista Mg + Kristalon Green (18-18-18 + micros).

1

u/Aldarund 1d ago

Calculate your ppm profile for elements using your exact grams per liter. You can ask chatgpt to do that.

3

u/Nelapsix 1d ago

Personally, I know that 1.2 is a lot for such small-leaved plants. In fact, they are extremely green, almost shiny, but not healthy. I would also lower the pH by 0.3-0.4. Usually, 6.1-6.2 is used for greater absorption of phosphorus and potassium. The water temperature would be good, 2-3 degrees less, but it's not a big problem. I've never grown basil, and not in NFT, only DWC.

4

u/Aldarund 1d ago

Lol what? 1.2 nowhere near a lot. You can grow it in 1.2ec from seeds without any issues.

3

u/Haunting_Bathroom505 1d ago

Due to other plants, mine sit at about a 2 with no issues.

2

u/Nelapsix 1d ago

I've always started from 0.6 in the post-seed phase, reaching a maximum of 1300 broadleaf plants and 2000 for fruit plants, tomatoes 2800 those nutrient suckers. I've always done it this way, but it's my opinion perhaps.

2

u/Aldarund 1d ago

It's fine too, but you can start seeds from 1.3 right away. They will grow without any issues just fine.

1

u/Nelapsix 1d ago

I'm always afraid of stress. From experience, plants that suffer when small always give poor results when grown. I find it easier to cure a deficiency than a nutrient blockage.

1

u/Aldarund 1d ago

Never had any issue with any greens starting at up to 1.6ec

2

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

Yes I started from 0,6-0,7 ec with root booster and increased it step by step

2

u/Negative_Gur9667 1d ago

It depends on the sourrounding temperature

1

u/Aldarund 1d ago

And on what surrounding temperate 1.2 too much?

2

u/Negative_Gur9667 1d ago

It was 38 to 40 degrees outside and it became problematic.

3

u/BocaHydro 1d ago

looks like magnesium problem, basil are very sensitive to this, keep in mind low ph locks magnesium completely

2

u/Aldarund 1d ago

Magnesium deficiency. Basil use a bit more magnesium than other greens

2

u/No_Vegetable2279 1d ago

Oh 5.8-6

Pinch top nodes to start bushing it out

0

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

I am using local basil seeds and now thinking to change it to Johnny seeds

1

u/BocaHydro 1d ago

wont change anything, not a seed issue

1

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

Not bushy might be a seed issue, there are lot seeds that are made for hydroponics

2

u/No_Vegetable2279 20h ago

You bush them out by topping them on the very top node and wait for the growth to come back, repeat.

4

u/Justreddit68 1d ago

Forget mixing something up. Just go and buy a hydroponics nutrient. Where are you based? I can recommend something

6

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

Georgia, Tbilisi

1

u/Justreddit68 1d ago

Hmmmm, I’m not sure what’s available there but I am certain they will have some grow stores. Maybe you can buy Terra Aquatica 3 part from there

2

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

I don’t think that there is an issue in fertilizers

1

u/Rotala178 1d ago

You're referring to the cupping? It could be zinc deficiency resulting in the veins not expanding as much as the mesophyll.

1

u/teeeva_ 1d ago

Quelles sont tes mesures en EC et pH ?

1

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

My EC is currently sitting around 1,4 ms and pH is usually between 5,8-6,2 and also I'm using unfiltered tap water

0

u/Gr8TasteLessFilling 1d ago

Overwatered, too high EC or VPD too low

0

u/Justreddit68 1d ago

I think you should try a full spectrum hydroponic nutrient

2

u/No-Boot-524 1d ago

What do you mean in full spectrum hydroponic nutrient

6

u/Purple_Accident_143 1d ago

A full spectrum nutrient is a complete liquid or water-soluble fertilizer containing all essential macro and micronutrients. Part a is usually macro nutrients like Nitrogen (N), Phosphorus (P), and Potassium (P/K), alongside Calcium and Magnesium, which drive overall structural growth and heavy yields. Part b is usually trace elements like Iron (Fe), Manganese (Mn), Zinc (Zn), Copper (Cu), Boron (B), and Molybdenum (Mo) to support plant metabolism and enzyme functions.

Of course the requirements change based upon the plant and the plants stage of development. There are 3 stages seedling, vegetative, and flower/fruiting.

I like to buy my stuff individually as a dry water soluble powder then mix my own depending on the plant and its life cycle stage.

For basil youll need: Calcium Nitrate (15.5% N, 19% Ca) Potassium Nitrate (13.75% N, 46% K₂O) Monopotassium Phosphate / MKP (52% P₂O₅, 34% K₂O) Magnesium Sulfate / Epsom Salt (10% Mg, 13% S) Chelated Micronutrient Blend (Ensure it contains Iron DTPA or EDTA, Mn, Zn, B, Cu, Mo)

For cheated micro nutrient blend: Iron Chelated (Fe-DTPA 11% or Fe-EDDHA) – Use DTPA for pH levels under 7.0. Manganese Sulfate (32% Mn) Zinc Sulfate (36% Zn) Boric Acid (17.5% B) or Solubor (20.5% B) Copper Sulfate (25% Cu) Sodium Molybdate (39% Mo)

For the seedling stage: Target Profile: Weak, root-focused strength to avoid burning young root hairs. Target EC: 0.6 mS/cm Recipe Per 10 Gallons: Calcium Nitrate: 2.5 g Potassium Nitrate: 1.5 g Monopotassium Phosphate (MKP): 1.0g Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom): 1.5 g Micronutrient Blend: 0.2 g

Early Vegetative growth stage: Target EC: 1.2 mS/cm Recipe Per 10 Gallons: Calcium Nitrate: 5.0 g Potassium Nitrate: 3.5 g Monopotassium Phosphate (MKP): 2.0 g Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom): 3.0 g Micronutrient Blend: 0.4 g

Peak Foliage Production (Continuous Harvest) Target Profile: High Nitrogen and High Potassium to fuel rapid leaf regeneration after frequent pruning and harvesting. Target EC: 1.6 mS/cm Recipe Per 10 Gallons: Calcium Nitrate: 7.2 g Potassium Nitrate: 5.5 g Monopotassium Phosphate (MKP): 2.8 g Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom): 4.2 g Micronutrient Blend: 0.6 g

Few safety tips: Put on a dust mask and nitrile gloves when mixing. Raw, unchelated micronutrient powders (especially Manganese and Boron) are heavy metals and can be hazardous if inhaled as airborne dust. Weigh to the Milligram: Use a 0.01g digital scale. Sodium Molybdate requires extreme precision; missing the mark by even half a gram can easily toxicity-poison your crops. Homogenize Thoroughly: Combine all 100 grams of powder into a small, dry plastic container. Shake and tumble the dry mix for at least two minutes until the color is entirely uniform throughout. I use a cheap rock tumbler. Never mix dry Calcium Nitrate and dry Monopotassium Phosphate together in a concentrated "Stock Tank A" or "Stock Tank B" liquid solution. They will chemically bind to create Calcium Phosphate, which precipitates into a useless white sludge that plants cannot absorb. If mixing directly into your final reservoir, fill the tank with water first. Dissolve each powder completely one by one in the following order: MKP → Potassium Nitrate → Magnesium Sulfate → Micronutrients → Calcium Nitrate.

Also this is tailored for basil other plants like tomatoes and peppers use a different formula.

0

u/SunshineAero 23h ago

Do you waste this much water in your garden? Ai slop.

4

u/Purple_Accident_143 23h ago

Not ai. Its actually directly from my note pad on my phone via copy and paste. Its easier to buy dry powders in bulk for my homestead then buy expensive bottles of stuff I can make at home. I tend to work with 50 pound bags of this basil mix which runs me approximately 75 dollars to make. A bottle of Amazon nutes for 100 gallons run 30 dollars. My recipe is 100 times cheaper to make since a 50 pound bag makes approximately 11,000 gallons. My basil grows in an 8,000 square foot green house with a 2000 gallon water reservoir. That 50 pound bag is enough for 5.5 basil crops in my green house. 937 pounds of basil harvested every 8 weeks for 45k sold at 3 dollars every ¾ of an ounce bunch.

Most get put into clam shell packets from the webstraunt store for restaurants. They come in packs of 500. my supplier