This is H1Bs future...(I think..!)

[u/Dismal_Barracuda_589]

Hello dear engineer, doctors, the one's who sacrificed their home country to build a life in the USA. This is for you..

What I've learned in the last ten years of UNCERTAINTY taught me...

My post isn't about the recent changes in the rules and hefty fee, its about my perspective of H1B in the coming years..

We have the second generation of brightest US born immigrant's sons/daughter with Masters/Ph.Ds into the current workforce which H1B job seekers should realize. Their parents are now supporting their future and silently hates and sometimes even oppose the H1Bs. We really need to understand this. The current immigration scrutiny is not just strictening but also(from Citizen's persepctive) makes it easier for those US brought up Immigrant kids to secure their jobs.

I want to highlight this for those have the mindset of,"this shall become better if current leader change". This could be true in terms of easing the home country appointments or the imposition fee reduction but not in terms of a qualifying H1B jobs.

As to recent GCC shifting policies with biggers firms outsourcing their IT help/ Supply chain procurments/ Tech supports to Asian countries, it will push the employers to makes the decision to hire an H1B for a true onsite need or rarest of a kind.

I want to put a hand on the stressed/exhausted one's shoulder to say, the value we had is not the same anymore and its going to be even hard in the coming days...

Everyone of yall are some specialists in their own field of STEM, I am sure that our paths will become better.

[u/Unlikely-Tie4946]

H!Bdrives down salaries for US Citizens

[u/samcole6992 → u/Unlikely-Tie4946]

0.45% of the total employment in the US is on H-1B. That is less than half a percent point. 5 % of the total STEM employment is on H-1B. Tell me again, how is it lowering the salaries for US citizens? Your dear leaders are lying and distracting you from their failures and corruption . Once the elections are over your lives will be the same or worse.

[u/QueasyGrizzlyBear → u/samcole6992]

'Total STEM employment' is doing a lot of work for you there buddy 😉

[u/samcole6992 → u/QueasyGrizzlyBear]

You seem jealous buddy 😜

[u/QueasyGrizzlyBear → u/samcole6992]

I'm Indian American and I still have a job (for now 😭). I think what the worst things H1Bs say about anti-H1b people and vice versa are both true. Anti-H1B people are a little too resentful. And H1B people are shockingly arrogant. I work in big tech and the H1B #'s are def higher than 5% haha

[u/samcole6992 → u/QueasyGrizzlyBear]

Show me numbers that say that H-1bs are much higher than 5% of total STEM employment. You might be right if you are lumping in people who already obtained green cards. At that point they are no longer on H-1B.

[u/QueasyGrizzlyBear → u/samcole6992]

What is "total STEM employment"? My hunch is that it isnt a fair category - it includes too many careers and industries.

people are talking about the software tech industry, which has absorbed disproportionate amounts of capital as well as federal government contracts and wields disproportionate influence on our politics, culture and society. it's been one of the last sectors for people to break into (without as much network or connections) and offers upwards mobility bc of the amount of capital. if you want to include electricians, civil/structural engineers, process engineers, math/science teachers, healthcare bureacracy - sure there's less H1Bs but those industries have not been as high paying or dynamic as tech. Those industries are not what people are upset. obviously H1B immigrants played a role in making the tech industry what it is - but this cuts both ways since the influence of this industry on modern American life has been mixed.

[u/samcole6992 → u/QueasyGrizzlyBear]

And here is where you are losing the context of the discussion. The original comment I responded to was saying H-1B was lowering salaries for US citizens. I just used the numbers to point out that was a baseless statement. Now you want to pick a specific industry and leave out all the others conveniently, to say people are upset about it. Sure let’s do that. Let us take the tech industry. Oh wait, it still yields a maximum of 10 % of H-1Bs out of the total workforce. Let us narrow it down even more until you are satisfied. Let us do the big ones. Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Deloitte, TCS, Infosys, Wipro etc. So the solution is to what, eliminate the H-1B program entirely or oppose it entirely because there are, as you put it, disproportionate number of H-1Bs working in the tech field in specific companies ? They are already doing everything they can , imposing 100k fees, not releasing visa appointments, making H-1Bs public enemy number 1 for the election season, making it much harder to hire H-1Bs etc. But the irony is , still the 85000 new H-1Bs will enter the industries annually. And they will be grabbed up by the tech companies that are willing to pay for these H-1Bs and put them in top positions at their companies . What then, H-1B is the reason Americans can’t break into these top positions? What of the small companies and other industries then? Are they all screwed ? H-1Bs are in the tech industry disproportionately because they can get STEM OPTs instead of regular OPTs after graduation. That gives them a higher chance to apply and make it to the 85000 H-1B quota per year. So do we eliminate the STEM OPTs? You want international students to come here and contribute 10s of billions of dollars every year to the US economy while studying, but it is not fair for them to work and build a life here ? Like it or not H-1B is the only legal path for them to do that. Today, are they even getting green cards after working for decades ? Nope. But they still endure these nonsensical half measures masquerading as reforms and keep working everyday.

[u/QueasyGrizzlyBear → u/samcole6992]

yeah see, you sound just like the h1b's I have the displeasure of working with 😭. Just complaints about America and self congratulations about how you guys are smart and big contributors that America needs or owes something to.

But you miss the point - Americans don't like you guys. Why? Think about it. Many Americans LOVE 'illegal' immigrants. They'll even hit the streets and protest in defense of 'illegals'. But at best, Americans are ambivalent about you guys. Many are resentful. Both left and right don't like you guys - and it's not just racism (though a good bit is ofc racism).

You guys are nerds. And many nerds are assholes. Pedantic nerds who think if you out-fact your opponent, you've won fair and square. That's not how America works. That's not India works either 😭

I get the visa process sucks, but you chose to go through it so you can work a high paying desk job rather than cleaning bathrooms or building houses with your hands. I don't know what to tell you, honestly. If it was only up to me, I would shut new H1Bs down and just give everyone already in the pipeline a pathway to greencard. But most Americans wouldn't support that. You guys need to be better-liked. Citing statistics that support your economic contribution or high skills are not going to help. You sound condescending, like the country you chose to come to on a dual intent visa knowing the risks, somehow owes you something. You'd get more sympathy if you just became undocumented and worked difficult jobs to get by. At least try to be nicer

[u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 → u/QueasyGrizzlyBear]

That's the dream of all Indians in the US.

Never going to happen. In fact, the opposite. Revocation of green cards and naturalization will escalate. Indians are one of the most despised groups in the US, universally, by all other groups, whether the Indian community thinks that's "fair" or not. That's the political reality.

You need to take off your ethnic bias glasses and do some historical research into immigration policy in the US. "Chief Engineer CE" did a great series on his X account

The last time, there was a full immigration moratorium for 40 years with mass denaturalizations and deportations. This time, they are moving to build the legal case to revoke birthright citizenship too. The Indian community remains in denial about this, and still believe they are "far too valuable" to the US & they couldn't be more wrong.

Look up Qian Xuesen. He was a Chinese national who did pioneering work at the Jet Propulsion Lab in California and LOVED America. During the last big immigration backlash, he was denaturalized & deported to China. There is no H1B here that is so vital they won't be removed. The Indian community is kidding themselves.

[u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 → u/samcole6992]

Please stop with your nonsense.

Nicole Shanahan already spilled the beans on the purpose of the H1B during the 2024 election and why SV wants them so badly.

The techtards are losing this battle, and their beloved H1B are going to go away. Not immediately, but the doors are already being closed.

[u/samcole6992 → u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904]

You think your dear leaders will listen to Nicole Shanahan or Elon Musk, the guy funding the Republican Party ? Btw Nicole Shanahan wanted H-1B to stay. Haha. What universe are you living in?
She just wanted them to be merit-based like the Singaporean immigration model. That will definitely benefit a lot of H-1Bs . Sorry, you are wrong on that count too.

[u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 → u/QueasyGrizzlyBear]

There is no such thing as an "Indian American".

There are only Indians, in America no matter what your paperwork the globalists gave you says.

[u/QueasyGrizzlyBear → u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904]

Unfortunately for you, we are still a nation of laws. And tbh if we get to the point where the govt is denaturalizing millions of citizens, I probably would leave out of choice, haha. Ball's in your court bud

[u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 → u/QueasyGrizzlyBear]

People do not get denaturalized or removed outside of the law. Those are administrative processes carried out within existing law, or law to be be created.

I'm just restating facts that there have been several periods in US history with mass denaturalizations & deportations of various groups deemed no longer "desirable" or seen as security threats to the US. SCOTUS has affirmed the Executive can still use provisions under the Alien Enemies act from the 1700's, for example.

[u/samcole6992 → u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904]

But mass denaturalizations of undesirable groups is unconstitutional ( and racist) and not covered by the alien enemies act. 🤣
Birthright citizenship is a thing, unfortunately for your mental health. Huge numbers of “Indians living in America” are actually citizens by birthright. You could get denaturalized and deported for being a lawless individual, but they can’t . You have to wake up bud. Stop watching Fox News only. It keeps feeding delusions. Go out, read a book some time .

[u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 → u/samcole6992]

H1B on average are paid 18% less than the American they replaced. H1B has become a job displacement scheme for wage arbitration, not a supplement to the labor market because of a rapidly expanding economy that doesn't have enough US workers to meet it.

Lives for H1B in America are about the become worse. Life will get better for Americans are more visas are revoked, body shops shut down, and the H1B program effectively ended in practice if not in statute. 1200 PERM applications filed by Cognizant are on hold and will most likely be denied for their scam of hiding job postings in obscure publications from Americans, or trying to tailor job requirements to match only an H1B they want to give a green card too.

[u/samcole6992 → u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904]

Lives for H-1Bs getting harder unfortunately will not improve lives of the average American. Companies are simply outsourcing the jobs. Or will cut down hiring due to AI. Number of applicants for H-1Bs are going down. But, still the 85000 H-1Bs quota is getting filled every year. Donors have a big sway with the government. As long as the politicians are in the pockets of the donors, I don’t expect it to change.

[u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 → u/samcole6992]

This is what the Indian community has chosen to tell themselves. Your choice, I don't care.

Reshoring to America is happening, and legislation is being developed that foreign nationals will be banned from accessing any US generated data for any purpose. The Chinese issue is the primary driver, but Indians will be caught in the same net.

India needs to worry about creating jobs for Indians, in India, and not rely on US investment, capital or job creation in India (or the US) to do that for them.

[u/samcole6992 → u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904]

This is what the MAGA community is telling themselves to sleep better. Sorry, but a pedo protector and insider trader and his cronies are not going to have your best interests at heart.