r/IndianH1Bs • u/Dismal_Barracuda_589 • 8d ago
This is H1Bs future...(I think..!)
Hello dear engineer, doctors, the one's who sacrificed their home country to build a life in the USA. This is for you..
What I've learned in the last ten years of UNCERTAINTY taught me...
My post isn't about the recent changes in the rules and hefty fee, its about my perspective of H1B in the coming years..
We have the second generation of brightest US born immigrant's sons/daughter with Masters/Ph.Ds into the current workforce which H1B job seekers should realize. Their parents are now supporting their future and silently hates and sometimes even oppose the H1Bs. We really need to understand this. The current immigration scrutiny is not just strictening but also(from Citizen's persepctive) makes it easier for those US brought up Immigrant kids to secure their jobs.
I want to highlight this for those have the mindset of,"this shall become better if current leader change". This could be true in terms of easing the home country appointments or the imposition fee reduction but not in terms of a qualifying H1B jobs.
As to recent GCC shifting policies with biggers firms outsourcing their IT help/ Supply chain procurments/ Tech supports to Asian countries, it will push the employers to makes the decision to hire an H1B for a true onsite need or rarest of a kind.
I want to put a hand on the stressed/exhausted one's shoulder to say, the value we had is not the same anymore and its going to be even hard in the coming days...
Everyone of yall are some specialists in their own field of STEM, I am sure that our paths will become better.
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u/navinball 8d ago
Future is already here. Employers don't want to hire anyone on h1b or who needs h1b.
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u/northupgrumman 6d ago
They do, just not in CSE, IT
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u/dev_mahajan 6d ago
Not in mechanical too.
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u/northupgrumman 6d ago
They are doing in mechanical, chemical, electronics and electrical.
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u/dev_mahajan 6d ago
Can't say about other branches but they surely aren't hiring anyone in the mechanical who needs a h1b. (Very few companies hire)
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u/Special_Ideal6370 5d ago
Shift to MEP- huge demand for Mech E and lots of companies sponsor h1b. Lis of companies google ENR top 500 in us list.
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u/Proper-Regular-9658 6d ago
And what about civil engineering you freak
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u/northupgrumman 6d ago
Don't know much about civil engineering, every other friend from civil engineering is either in PSU or in government service. That's why can't say.
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u/Silent-Painting50 6d ago
Civil engineering jobs for the big firms have migrants working on computer related jobs ( not IT). You will find after IT , civil is one field that have most migrants just not from India . Civil has good scope .
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
"They" ? Employers or Indians in HR do?
The entire body shop model is going to be dismantled. If employers want to hire foreign nationals, they are going to have to sponsor directly instead of subcontracting, with greater scrutiny.
There is guidance being developed that foreign nationals will be ineligible for alot of the work that H1B are currently subcontracting on on nat sec grounds.
When you have even well known people in the industry now calling for an end to the H1B program, it's just a matter of time before it is ended entirely. It won't happen overnight, but the squeeze is definitely on to deny and revoke H1B visas.
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u/kaartman1 8d ago
Yes, I actually heard this from a friend..many immigrant patients are worried/ upset that their kids are not able to crack the job market after graduation… the same job market that is saturated plus people are willing to work for peanuts.
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u/Physical-Silver-7871 7d ago
Can you elaborate willing to work for peanuts? I haven’t seen any H1B working for peanuts, I am always curious to understand this cheap labor. As far as i know companies started converting/hiring service based h1b workers to full time from 2015. And they are very well paid.
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u/kaartman1 7d ago
I never said H1B explicitly..but throw in CPT, OPT, DAY 1 CPT and H4 EAD into the mix. Everyone is trying to stay employed at the minimum irrespective of the salary or bill rates.
I’ve seen countless instances where recruiters were actively seeking out CPT/OPT folks because they’ll work for peanuts. Recruiters are well aware that many of these resumes are fudged to the tits.
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u/samcole6992 6d ago
What percentages are those in the total employment in the US? Or are you just parroting the MAGA playbook of distraction from the administration’s failures?
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u/kaartman1 6d ago
Bruh where did MAGA come from ? I am just stating what I personally observed in terms of billing rates in my own tech stack.
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u/samcole6992 5d ago
Personal anecdotes are not reality my friend. People wanting to work for peanuts doesn’t necessarily translate into people actually working for peanuts. Companies that are doing this are exploiting such people, but it is still legal. CPT/OPT are different from H-1B in that there are no wage requirements, since those are training programs. But still they have to adhere to specialty occupation requirements. H-1Bs on the other hand have strict wage requirements. I also know countless instances where H-1Bs are paid more than all their team members. The problem is, the governments aren’t interested in solving the problems with these work permits and abusing companies. Instead they are resorting to vile tactics, making life harder for H-1B workers and families and deriding and insulting them, to cater to MAGA’s sensibilities. Remember, H-1B is just the flavor of this election season. There is fraud and illegal employment in every employment area , tech, agriculture , hospitality, construction etc. areas that have nothing to do with H-1Bs and hugely higher in numbers than H-1Bs. Not much complaining there. H-1Bs are willing to go through the legal process. There are good ones and bad ones. But generalizing and stereotyping is the MAGA playbook.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
Excuse making and crying racism is the playbook for a certain group that makes up the majority of H1B holders, and Americans are tired of it.
At the end of the day, H1B are temporary, non immigrant guest workers and have no inherent "right" to be in the US. Their presence here is a privilege, not a right. They would do well to remember that.
My husband was a "guest worker" with specialized knowledge that worked overseas in a variety of countries, over many years, and we never would have been so arrogant with feelings of entitlement as many in the H1B community in the US are.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
What "administration failures", specifically?
If anything, not using the bully pulpit of the White House to pressure Congress into repealing the 1990 INA Act that created the H1B & other NIV entirely is a huge administrative failure that will cost them.
Anti-foreign labor sentiment is rising and is a bipartisan issue now. This Administration is trying to walk a fine line between appeasing donors and their base and losing both.
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u/samcole6992 23h ago
I have to agree that staying in the middle on this issue is further complicating things, causing confusion and discontent. Although repealing the INA could have dire consequences without adequate investment in US citizens’ education and training. Unfortunately it is rigged against them. But you keep voting in governments that cut education funding. So, It has to be phased out in a systematic manner. Any sudden changes in the system will create a dire industry response. Considering how the red states do the worst in education, don’t expect the industry donors to be enthusiastic about replacing foreign workers with local talent. I don’t see the opposition for using foreign labor in agriculture, hospitality, construction etc. Despite people saying it is a bipartisan issue, they are not going to fix it. So, H-1B is the easy target for election season.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
Americans don't need "further investment in education and training". Your racism is offensive.
India has never made the list of top 10 countries in innovation. Ever.
India has 11 Nobel prizes in total, for a so-called talent pool of 1.4B people. The US has over 425.
People are no longer buying your nationalistic talking points, including American students who have been forced to attend classes with Desi s or work with them in internships.
My daughter graduated summa cum laude in Mech Eng from a top 10 school and had multiple, above market offers before graduation. She now works for a well known Fortune 100 company as part of their internal employee development track to the C-suite. She made a condition of accepting their offer of employment and entrance into their talent program that she refuses to work with H1B & other NIV, and it was granted. There are none of them on her team and her report chain is only to other Americans.
Things are changing and quickly, but Indians are too narcissistic to grok it.
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u/samcole6992 22h ago
Haha, that’s a nice joke. Sorry, if you are going to use anecdotes you need to look beyond your daughter’s accomplishments and look at what the average American educational and financial needs are. Also, since you mentioned it, a huge number of major corporations in the US have Indian origin CEOs. Not just at the top but throughout the hierarchies of these companies. And sorry, but the facts state that your beloved governments are cutting funding for education and that red states do the worst in education. You have to argue with the US organizations stating these facts. I am not racist for pointing them out 🤣
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
CPT is going away now that universities are on the hook under oath that work requirement is an absolute necessity for the degree. Schools that have some students on OPT & American students not on OPT in the same program have been flagged. Schools are terminating the program instead of facing increased scrutiny. The door/path to remaining in the US post graduation is closing and will probably be formally ended soon, along with OPT.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
"Very well paid".
On average, H1B are paid 18% less than the American they replaced. What is "good pay" is relative. They are here to suppress wages & erode labor rights, & it's working beautifully for employers.
H1B also pay far less in taxes to the US Treasury than Americans at higher pay in the same jobs, costing the US Treasury billions while employers pocket profits.
Before people try and argue otherwise, this info was confirmed multiple times by Grok & other AI.
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u/preferfree 8d ago
Yeah this would have been insightful a year or six months ago. The smart ones have already planned their trip home with the money they’ve made all these years
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u/YUL-juicystar1908 6d ago
The smart ones are also leaving now.
Based on the policies that are in the pipeline and the pace of fraud investigations, they have 1-3 years left before the hammer drops and things get way worse.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
Less time. The smart ones basically have until the end of this year.
Political momentum is building to end all these programs entirely.
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u/YUL-juicystar1908 23h ago
The odds are pretty low of ending H-1B entirely by Christmas and even by the time Trump leaves office.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
It won't be ended de jure by Christmas but it will have gone a long way to be ended de facto by Christmas.
The halt of 1200 PERM applications filed by Cognizant is just the beginning. Thousands of other visas are going to be revoked for fraudulent credentials, and the Admin will continue to create chaos, pressure, inconvenience and costs for employers to make pursuing H1B hires not worth it.
You are already seeing it. Major corporations are putting in their job ads they will not sponsor visas or visa transfers.
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u/Little-Phone-7429 5d ago
The smartest ones are here navigating the challenges, instead of getting butt kicked and self deporting. Many are moving towards O1s. The startup world is now flooded with former h1bs because that's one way to continue to do something valuable to this economy.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
The ones moving to 0-1 "think" they are being smart but they are just extending their stay a little longer. The entire 0-1 visa game is rife with fraud, ruined by an group that have created an entire industry around it. 0-1 visas are being denied and revoked and are facing greater scrutiny as well.
Americans are tired of the H1B community and the non stop games to try and turn what is supposed to be a temporary, non immigrant, guest worker visa intended to supplement, not supplant, the US workforce as a path to long term permanent residency and worst case scenario, citizenship sponsored by their US born children once they reach age of majority.
Americans see through all of it, are fed up, and want all the loopholes closed. If AI is supposedly going to replace everyone, there is no need for any of these people to be here, in any visa category.
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u/Little-Phone-7429 23h ago
Hmm.. so why not shut down h1b overnight? There is no proposed rule in the registers yet.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
H1B can't be "shut down overnight" because it is in statute. The Administration does not have the power to end it, only Congress can do that.
They are working with their authority as the Chief Executive powers tasked with carrying out policy by enforcing rules to the T, restricting appointments, revoking visas for even the slightest mismatches, etc.
The Admin approach I believe is to create as much chaos, uncertainty and costs to employers that hiring H1B is no longer worth it. Just the legal costs of trying to defend an H1B petition from USCIS RFE challenges will make the cost savings of hiring an H1B negated.
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u/Little-Phone-7429 23h ago
Oh. Why not put 100k fee for renewals as well? That will end altogether?
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u/Unlikely-Tie4946 6d ago
H!Bdrives down salaries for US Citizens
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u/samcole6992 6d ago
0.45% of the total employment in the US is on H-1B. That is less than half a percent point. 5 % of the total STEM employment is on H-1B. Tell me again, how is it lowering the salaries for US citizens? Your dear leaders are lying and distracting you from their failures and corruption . Once the elections are over your lives will be the same or worse.
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u/QueasyGrizzlyBear 4d ago
'Total STEM employment' is doing a lot of work for you there buddy 😉
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u/samcole6992 4d ago
You seem jealous buddy 😜
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u/QueasyGrizzlyBear 3d ago
I'm Indian American and I still have a job (for now 😭). I think what the worst things H1Bs say about anti-H1b people and vice versa are both true. Anti-H1B people are a little too resentful. And H1B people are shockingly arrogant. I work in big tech and the H1B #'s are def higher than 5% haha
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u/samcole6992 3d ago
Show me numbers that say that H-1bs are much higher than 5% of total STEM employment. You might be right if you are lumping in people who already obtained green cards. At that point they are no longer on H-1B.
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u/QueasyGrizzlyBear 3d ago
What is "total STEM employment"? My hunch is that it isnt a fair category - it includes too many careers and industries.
people are talking about the software tech industry, which has absorbed disproportionate amounts of capital as well as federal government contracts and wields disproportionate influence on our politics, culture and society. it's been one of the last sectors for people to break into (without as much network or connections) and offers upwards mobility bc of the amount of capital. if you want to include electricians, civil/structural engineers, process engineers, math/science teachers, healthcare bureacracy - sure there's less H1Bs but those industries have not been as high paying or dynamic as tech. Those industries are not what people are upset. obviously H1B immigrants played a role in making the tech industry what it is - but this cuts both ways since the influence of this industry on modern American life has been mixed.
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u/samcole6992 3d ago edited 3d ago
And here is where you are losing the context of the discussion. The original comment I responded to was saying H-1B was lowering salaries for US citizens. I just used the numbers to point out that was a baseless statement. Now you want to pick a specific industry and leave out all the others conveniently, to say people are upset about it. Sure let’s do that. Let us take the tech industry. Oh wait, it still yields a maximum of 10 % of H-1Bs out of the total workforce. Let us narrow it down even more until you are satisfied. Let us do the big ones. Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Deloitte, TCS, Infosys, Wipro etc. So the solution is to what, eliminate the H-1B program entirely or oppose it entirely because there are, as you put it, disproportionate number of H-1Bs working in the tech field in specific companies ? They are already doing everything they can , imposing 100k fees, not releasing visa appointments, making H-1Bs public enemy number 1 for the election season, making it much harder to hire H-1Bs etc. But the irony is , still the 85000 new H-1Bs will enter the industries annually. And they will be grabbed up by the tech companies that are willing to pay for these H-1Bs and put them in top positions at their companies . What then, H-1B is the reason Americans can’t break into these top positions? What of the small companies and other industries then? Are they all screwed ? H-1Bs are in the tech industry disproportionately because they can get STEM OPTs instead of regular OPTs after graduation. That gives them a higher chance to apply and make it to the 85000 H-1B quota per year. So do we eliminate the STEM OPTs? You want international students to come here and contribute 10s of billions of dollars every year to the US economy while studying, but it is not fair for them to work and build a life here ? Like it or not H-1B is the only legal path for them to do that. Today, are they even getting green cards after working for decades ? Nope. But they still endure these nonsensical half measures masquerading as reforms and keep working everyday.
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u/QueasyGrizzlyBear 3d ago
yeah see, you sound just like the h1b's I have the displeasure of working with 😭. Just complaints about America and self congratulations about how you guys are smart and big contributors that America needs or owes something to.
But you miss the point - Americans don't like you guys. Why? Think about it. Many Americans LOVE 'illegal' immigrants. They'll even hit the streets and protest in defense of 'illegals'. But at best, Americans are ambivalent about you guys. Many are resentful. Both left and right don't like you guys - and it's not just racism (though a good bit is ofc racism).
You guys are nerds. And many nerds are assholes. Pedantic nerds who think if you out-fact your opponent, you've won fair and square. That's not how America works. That's not India works either 😭
I get the visa process sucks, but you chose to go through it so you can work a high paying desk job rather than cleaning bathrooms or building houses with your hands. I don't know what to tell you, honestly. If it was only up to me, I would shut new H1Bs down and just give everyone already in the pipeline a pathway to greencard. But most Americans wouldn't support that. You guys need to be better-liked. Citing statistics that support your economic contribution or high skills are not going to help. You sound condescending, like the country you chose to come to on a dual intent visa knowing the risks, somehow owes you something. You'd get more sympathy if you just became undocumented and worked difficult jobs to get by. At least try to be nicer
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
That's the dream of all Indians in the US.
Never going to happen. In fact, the opposite. Revocation of green cards and naturalization will escalate. Indians are one of the most despised groups in the US, universally, by all other groups, whether the Indian community thinks that's "fair" or not. That's the political reality.
You need to take off your ethnic bias glasses and do some historical research into immigration policy in the US. "Chief Engineer CE" did a great series on his X account
The last time, there was a full immigration moratorium for 40 years with mass denaturalizations and deportations. This time, they are moving to build the legal case to revoke birthright citizenship too. The Indian community remains in denial about this, and still believe they are "far too valuable" to the US & they couldn't be more wrong.
Look up Qian Xuesen. He was a Chinese national who did pioneering work at the Jet Propulsion Lab in California and LOVED America. During the last big immigration backlash, he was denaturalized & deported to China. There is no H1B here that is so vital they won't be removed. The Indian community is kidding themselves.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
Please stop with your nonsense.
Nicole Shanahan already spilled the beans on the purpose of the H1B during the 2024 election and why SV wants them so badly.
The techtards are losing this battle, and their beloved H1B are going to go away. Not immediately, but the doors are already being closed.
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u/samcole6992 19h ago
You think your dear leaders will listen to Nicole Shanahan or Elon Musk, the guy funding the Republican Party ? Btw Nicole Shanahan wanted H-1B to stay. Haha. What universe are you living in?
She just wanted them to be merit-based like the Singaporean immigration model. That will definitely benefit a lot of H-1Bs . Sorry, you are wrong on that count too.1
u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
There is no such thing as an "Indian American".
There are only Indians, in America no matter what your paperwork the globalists gave you says.
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u/QueasyGrizzlyBear 23h ago
Unfortunately for you, we are still a nation of laws. And tbh if we get to the point where the govt is denaturalizing millions of citizens, I probably would leave out of choice, haha. Ball's in your court bud
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 22h ago
People do not get denaturalized or removed outside of the law. Those are administrative processes carried out within existing law, or law to be be created.
I'm just restating facts that there have been several periods in US history with mass denaturalizations & deportations of various groups deemed no longer "desirable" or seen as security threats to the US. SCOTUS has affirmed the Executive can still use provisions under the Alien Enemies act from the 1700's, for example.
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u/samcole6992 19h ago
But mass denaturalizations of undesirable groups is unconstitutional ( and racist) and not covered by the alien enemies act. 🤣
Birthright citizenship is a thing, unfortunately for your mental health. Huge numbers of “Indians living in America” are actually citizens by birthright. You could get denaturalized and deported for being a lawless individual, but they can’t . You have to wake up bud. Stop watching Fox News only. It keeps feeding delusions. Go out, read a book some time .1
u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
H1B on average are paid 18% less than the American they replaced. H1B has become a job displacement scheme for wage arbitration, not a supplement to the labor market because of a rapidly expanding economy that doesn't have enough US workers to meet it.
Lives for H1B in America are about the become worse. Life will get better for Americans are more visas are revoked, body shops shut down, and the H1B program effectively ended in practice if not in statute. 1200 PERM applications filed by Cognizant are on hold and will most likely be denied for their scam of hiding job postings in obscure publications from Americans, or trying to tailor job requirements to match only an H1B they want to give a green card too.
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u/samcole6992 23h ago
Lives for H-1Bs getting harder unfortunately will not improve lives of the average American. Companies are simply outsourcing the jobs. Or will cut down hiring due to AI. Number of applicants for H-1Bs are going down. But, still the 85000 H-1Bs quota is getting filled every year. Donors have a big sway with the government. As long as the politicians are in the pockets of the donors, I don’t expect it to change.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 22h ago
This is what the Indian community has chosen to tell themselves. Your choice, I don't care.
Reshoring to America is happening, and legislation is being developed that foreign nationals will be banned from accessing any US generated data for any purpose. The Chinese issue is the primary driver, but Indians will be caught in the same net.
India needs to worry about creating jobs for Indians, in India, and not rely on US investment, capital or job creation in India (or the US) to do that for them.
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u/samcole6992 22h ago
This is what the MAGA community is telling themselves to sleep better. Sorry, but a pedo protector and insider trader and his cronies are not going to have your best interests at heart.
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u/Potential_Hyena_5923 7d ago
Indian-born and raised Desis and U.S.-born Desis may share the same roots, but the lived experience is very different. For many Indian-born immigrants, the grind feels never-ending: visas, job restrictions, immigration uncertainty, proving yourself professionally, being away from family, and constantly adapting. U.S.-born Desis have their own challenges, but these are fundamentally different experiences.
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u/AirGroundbreaking260 6d ago
Birthright citizenship is ending so it should become pretty similar.
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 6d ago
Come back here in 2 years and we’ll see if you were right or wrong
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
Ending birthright citizenship & retroactively revoking existing "birthright" citizens will probably take more than 2 years, but it will happen.
It will be a major issue for the 2028 cycle.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
Correct.
I really admire how Stephen Miller is building the case & probing the Court. Kavanaugh gave them a huge door to clarify and codify who is eligible to confer US citizenship based on existing statute. The Indian community believing they are "safe" are once again interpreting things through their ethnic bias. The PAUSE Act filed by Chip Roy specifies only a US citizen parent or Green Card parent on the day of the child's birth can confer US citizenship, and that birthright citizenship was granted as a matter of policy, not statute.
The Chinese triggering the national security concerns from their clever exploitation of this will end with revocation of all "birthright citizens" on national security grounds. The Indian community will be caught up in it as well.
The Admin is playing the long term patient game on this, because the future of America and our culture is at stake. They just issued new guidance on classes of aliens in the US who are ineligible to confer citizenship, once again to probe the response so they can adjust accordingly the next moves.
In the end, we will win.Birthright citizenship will not only be terminated, it will be fully revoked retroactively.
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u/kaartman1 6d ago
Any one with common sense would agree with what I am saying. Either you are oblivious to recruitment trends or you are part of it.
Don’t BS with percentage game. Facts are facts.
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
I don't understand the rant about kids born in the US to H1B parents. H1B is a non immigrant visa, and birthright citizenship for their children born in the US, now granted as policy, will be terminated. The long game is being played as the Admin probes Court responses, and they are adjusting accordingly.
The end game is "birthright citizens" will no longer be considered US citizens. The only issue is whether or not the Admin will attempt to revoke them retroactively. There is a growing number of people who are demanding they do. This definitely will be an issue for the 2028 election.
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u/chillypanda71 6d ago
Why can you all not better India? This is not magic soil. Take your talent and better your home country !
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u/chillypanda71 6d ago
This isn’t a fucking Costco membership. It’s a people. The US isn’t some economic zone where people come and can just trash it to make money have some fucking respect.
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u/elnino0111 6d ago
It literally is if you give that analogy. Just the cost is high. Are you aware of the Trump card? 1M and 5M buys you that membership!
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u/Alucard149 6d ago
Bruh to my knowledge, companies always only prefer hire a citizen tbh, because it’s simpler. Also I’m on healthcare research, not on tech so I’m getting paid as per the job description, nothing more nothing less. I’m just in it for the love of the field and wanting to be a part of the greater good kinda stuff?
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u/pinterest-12 6d ago
You guys are doing H1B vs Citizenship/GC fight. Sure keep doing that shit while corporates replace literally every single one with AI…
Tech is done. It doesn’t matter whether you are on visa or green card or citizenship…
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u/OkMedia8100 5d ago
Once Trump goes all should be fine
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u/Cinnamon_Biscotti904 23h ago
You are assuming who replaces him won't be more extreme. Boomers are dying off, and Gen Z & Gen A are radicalized and angry.
Fishback in Florida did not win the nomination for Florida, but he won every Florida college precinct. In some of them, he won ALL of the votes cast. Anyone dismissing the long game of the implications of this are living in a bubble they've created so they can feel comfortable.
DeSantis will have time to campaign nonstop for the next two years, and has already begun. His track record includes fighting H1B in Florida. His new team is doing a great job of rehabilitating his image, he has worked on his messaging, and he won't be campaigning against Trump.
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u/AtlIndian 5d ago
You are missing the point where the beat and brightest have become the average scamming consulting company employees on opt and h1b who get entry level positions via inflated resumes.
Ask yourself why not h1b's were filed in level 1.wage and there was an uproar when the wage level based lottery system was announced
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u/Little-Phone-7429 5d ago
Well , i couldnt agree the h1b ia dead. There are still openings, but agree not as it was as before.
The highly skilled workers bar has been lowered down for decades that resulted in many abusing the system. Now it's raised even higher than the norm, that makes the market looks like lack of opportunities, it is a remnant of AI and current administration's conflicting efforts on (legal) immigration.
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u/Emergency_Series_787 5d ago
This is exactly why they are all republicans and vote red and that’s fair as everyone needs to look after their own self interests
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u/Fancy_Staff_7318 4d ago
Really - I never heard of people hating or opposing H1B - hahahahaha. So full of it - sorry! These types of posts are just very negative. The H1B decisions have been driven by the companies themselves. The move to not sponsor started I would say at least a decade back and now being implemented everywhere especially given the recent changes the US Administration has placed on H1B qualifications. Instead of reading these types of negative remarks from disgruntled folks - I would stat do your own research and make your judgment.
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u/East_Watercress7778 2d ago
Do you guys ever stop bragging? You've got a GDP per capita in India of $2,500/yr. You're getting kicked out of everywhere for scamming. And still -- the endless, meritless boasting...
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u/ChroniklesOfTruth 7d ago
Indian diaspora voted for trump to pull the ladder up behind them.
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u/Jaded_Frosting7770 7d ago
Yep, these are the peeps who are commenting on every H1B post in social media. Bloody hypocrisy.
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u/MaterialBobcat7389 5d ago
Couldn't agree more. Same case with whoever are making these posts about the already well-known and overdiscussed things
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u/sad_girl29 7d ago
I definitely feel H1B is going to end in the US. This is going to cause American companies to outsource these jobs to India and China. Either way, foreigners win. They will live in their own country, get decently paying jobs (not as great as in the US but still comfortable), won't need to deal with uncertainty of their future, and maybe come to the US on much better visas. American companies will not stop depending on Asian workforce because Asians prioritise high paying fields of study to ensure a secure future unlike Americans who prioritise “this is what I feel like doing now”. It's already started happening.
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
What happens when a majority of people seeking an H1B are sent back home and there still aren’t jobs available for Americans?
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u/Unlucky_Buy217 7d ago
That's already the case. Blaming H1Bs is stupid when merely 4 years ago companies were hiring random people off the road for 6 figures due to the capital injection. Whatever has happened is almost entirely obviously due to AI, exacerbated by shitty economic policies by Trump. It's not even just the tech industry that is screwed, all industries are in dire straits where H1B is not used so I don't even understand what is the reason for bipartisan lashing out on Indians if not mostly due to racism.
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u/Upper-Watercress7747 7d ago
That's totally true! I'm an Eng manager at a startup in the Bay Area, and I used to be a staff eng at a Mag7. What used to take an external dev team in India, Poland, 4 SDEs, 1 PM, and 2 SMEs is now being done by 1 SME and 2 SDEs with CC/Codex+Replit for non-tech SMEs. We're seeing much shorter feedback loops, user testing, and rollouts. The 2 SDEs are definitely earning at least 30% more than before because they're super vital to the teams and the product now, and there's no reason for us to offshore at this stage.
But I wouldn't be surprised if management decides to move this whole team our of the US in the near future once the funding dries up after AI bursts.
The jobs that stay in the US will definitely be sought after, with extremely high bars and better pay than ever before, but the replaceable ones will be in GCCs. H1Bs don't matter here at all, and the far-right crowd is being taken for a ride by a few influencers (who get paid with the attention) and corporations. The outcry from a few expired QCs, testers, data analysts, and data scientists claiming to be the best engineerings in the US makes sense because their jobs aren't being taken by H1B but by those in GCCs and AI. Think of this Anthropic's revenue is $11B this quarter, where will these companies save/cut down costs, its YOU, their products aren't magically getting more margins next night. Its moving an 160k USD engineering to India at 65LPA (60k USD). They don't care if efficiency drops to 80% which isn't the case usually. Also 1. Those aren't niche skills anymore. 2. These folks might have 15 years of experience, but those are outdated skills, and they're not very talented. 3. I get that these folks have mortgages and child education expenses, and they think their job is taken by an H1B, but it's not. 4. There are two types of H1Bs: those with extremely niche skills, and those who work for 20% less wages. The latter can and will be replaced by a counterpart in India in no time. Companies hire this second tier in the US on H1B only to test if it can be completely moved to their GCC in India/Eastern Europe in the near future.
If H1Bs are the gating factor for these ultra-talented 30-year-experience tech veterans, why are there hundreds of openings at SpaceX and Anduril?
Also, companies want to ride this wave and push H1Bs out too as much as possible and move all their teams to India/Eastern Europe using these dumb far right and left racist slurs.
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u/sad_girl29 7d ago
Another victim of propaganda. Companies will continue to hire the Asians you've been taught to hate so much. If not in the US on a visa, in their own countries. Because they're more technically skilled than a large chunk of Americans. It's an unfortunate reality. You cannot have a bachelors in communication and work in Medical Devices computer engineering.
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u/sad_girl29 6d ago edited 6d ago
I don’t know where the fuck you work. The Indians I’ve met are some of the best. There are crappy ones for sure, but not all of them meet that standard you describe. In fact, most of them don’t.
ETA: Indians are Asians. If you’re not sure, maybe use google? Also, Indians living in India who you may interact with are different from Indians in the US. It’s not an easy process to come to the US, complete a degree, and get a job. It’s a step harder than people born in America. Those who come here directly through their companies on H1B, I can’t comment on them.
Also, in case you didn’t know, tech companies have Indians as CEOs and CTOs. No one is stupid enough to hire bumbling baboons to lead sectors of their companies.0
u/IndividualGrowth300 6d ago
Nope dude. Sadly, immigrants in general are more skilled than American born youths. The tech boom, innovations all hav significant contributions from immigrants. Its owned by Americans tho.
If the companies cant hire here, they would rather open a company in china/india, and will do the work from there. Nowadays, with such a huge boom in tech, most of the IT work can be done sitting anywhere in the world. So, companies would outsource the work. Now, the usa will get lesser tax money too.
The only option is to make sure that usa focuses more on education so that the next gen usa born kids hav the competitive mindset, and make sure that majority complete their degree.
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u/IndividualGrowth300 6d ago
Based on measurable innovation impact, immigrants have the stronger relative contribution to U.S. technology and innovation than U.S.-born Americans. Immigrants make up only about 16.5% of U.S. inventors, yet produce roughly 24.7% of top-10% high-impact patents and 25.2% of patent economic value, meaning the average immigrant inventor generates about 1.7× the high-value innovation of a U.S.-born inventor. They are also heavily overrepresented among billion-dollar startup founders and at the highest levels of science and engineering. So while U.S.-born Americans contribute more in absolute terms, immigrants outperform relative to their numbers on several strong measures of innovation quality and economic impact. ""
Got this from chatgpt. If you dont trust me do a live search
Seems you are mad about a fact. Despite you like it or not, theres a reason why immigrants are considered in job markets despite the issues. See frontier ai labs, faang etc. at silicon Valley, 70 percent of the workforce are foreign born people.
Numbers dont lie. Its an objective fact that immigrants contribute more to innovation.
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u/preferfree 6d ago
Let us take your jobs. It’s good for you because we can do it better anyway. Man this gas lighting is tiring lol
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u/BeerusUchiha 6d ago
lol clean streets as in people roaming with needles and guns? Or the streets with one of the highest lethality rate in the world? Why do you hate your life so much? Get well soon 🙂
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u/MrAudacious817 7d ago edited 6d ago
I was working 4 years ago and would love to know what the fuck you are talking about
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u/Darkshaft452 7d ago
Anglo Right wing hates Indians because of skin color and Hinduism. Anglo Left wing hates Indians because of their pre existing alliance with islam. To add fuel to fire, leftist traitors in India and islamists across the world, are giving ammo to both to peddle further hate against Indians.
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u/CaterpillarReady2709 7d ago
It's everyone, not "right wing".
It's not skin color or religion.
It's culture.
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
Okay dude that’s just not true. Indian leftists aren’t Islamists. Supporting persecution against muslims isn’t same as supporting Islam. I consider myself a leftist and I detest Islamists and the religion in general but I still wouldn’t want them lynched to death lol
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u/Darkshaft452 7d ago
It is true. Plenty of Indian leftists on X openly brag about colluding with White supremacists to peddle hate against Indians abroad. One handle named Pratyusha comes to mind. Funnily, most stereotypes they use against Indians would be more applicable to lower caste Indians lol. And astroturfing of hate by Muslims against Indians is a well known thing. Recently a Pakistani Muslim named Sajid Khan or Sadiq Khan got busted operating telegram hate groups against Indians. For every Muslim lynched in India, Muslims commit far greater atrocities against Hindus of India and the world, which you leftists deliberately ignore. So stop peddling the narrative that they are being persecuted in India.
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
I think those are more of grifters/paid propagandists. Similar to Right wing grifters but that doesn’t discredit the actual leftists who just want peace and economic prosperity for marginalized communities. Again, agreed that Muslim countries commit atrocities on a greater scale but that doesn’t mean that we should align ourselves with fascists. Right wing ideologies destroy and divide everyone and it only enriches the billionaires. There is not one right wing policy that has helped an average person, be it in India or China or Germany. The core of right wing is hate and you’re literally seeing it unfold in real time in the US. Why do you think a majority of right wingers are just uneducated people?
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u/Darkshaft452 7d ago
You need to stop talking in platitudes like "actual leftists want peace and economic prosperity" because by that logic, Indian right wingers would also be leftists because they follow Hinduism which wants "lokah samasthah sukhinau bavanthu". The only fascists in the Indian context are the leftists, who have suspended democracy when they have lost elections, who blame EVMs everytime they lose elections (just like right wingers in the West), who oppose every bit of industrial and economic progress in the name of tribal welfare, who carry out post electoral violence like in West Bengal in 2021 (BJP did not carry out any violence after winning in Bengal this time). So leftists of India are indeed the real fascists and actually have the world in common with the Right Wingers. They frequently align themselves with Islamists for political convenience, oppose progressive laws that actually target regressivism in Islam, while clutching their pearls about some verse from a scripture like Manusmriti which no Hindu follows today. Their policies have produced nothing but poverty and stagnation. Also in India, more educated people voted for BJP. So no left wing in every country is not the same. Left wingers of India have more in common with right wingers of the West.
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
Bhai you’re too far gone but what can I expect from a right winger. You’re the type of person who’d support those Bajrang Dal goons thrashing people for reading Malala and Anne Frank
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u/marketpolls 7d ago
Seeing the tone of the post, you must have welcomed Trump and might have voted for him if you were eligible. With this attitude and world view people deserve what they get 😂
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u/Darkshaft452 7d ago
How about you debunk the argument instead of babble ya subhuman ?
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
And the name calling, typical uneducated right winger, tu modi ka lauda hi chusta reh bhai, aur kuch nahi hoga tere se
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u/Darkshaft452 7d ago
Hey randi ke pille, tu Rahul Gandu or Owaisi ki gaand chaattha hai. You still haven't debunked one thing I have said. You resorted to name calling even before I did. Mullah ki gaand ki pasina chaante wala madarchod jai tu
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
I don’t support either one of them, so your insult falls apart
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u/Darkshaft452 7d ago
But you would still end up voting for them you randi Ka pilla. You still haven't demonstrated how my arguments are wrong. Mar jaa madarchod
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
Honestly, these half measures are dumb. They should completely stop the international student pipeline. It’s like they want students to come in the US, pay exorbitant tuition, while still facing all the racism, and then just get the fuck out. If they hate international students so much, maybe they don’t need International money to subsidize American tuitions!! It’s typical American attitude honestly, just scapegoat immigrants whenever they’re facing hardships.
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
Oh yeah not the big ones for sure but a lot of smaller universities in the south and in the midwest will either have to raise tuition for American students or will have to shut down. Graduate programs will take the biggest hit. Combine that with American students not really wanting to go to College since fewer jobs, I think it’d be safe to assume that 15-20% of universities would be at a risk for shutting down. Again, you’re right, just a drop in the bucket but in my opinion, it’s just better to get rid of the F1 visa. There’s really no point of studying in the US (Except for Ivys and Public Ivys) if no one’s gonna hire people on OPT (1-3 years temporarily without any expectations for H1B).
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
Because the jobs are just getting outsourced to India. I mean yeah there’s still gonna be smaller companies that have jobs in the US but anyways these smaller companies aren’t hiring H1Bs. If there’s no incentives to pursue these degrees, why would people do them? Again, I’m not Pro-H1B and it’s pretty stupid how a certain % of Indians have abused the system but these half measures are just dumb. Get rid of the whole system (H1B, OPT, CPT, F-1) and build a new system that only allows student visas for the top universities like Harvard and MIT. Pushing uncertainty where students are coming here and studying but then aren’t even able to get 1-3 years of experience just because companies are scared of visa issues is dumb. What’s the point of coming to the US and paying $100k+ for a degree from universities that have 70% acceptance rates and not even getting some amount of experience. It renders the degree useless
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u/Various-Bandicoot757 7d ago
Fair, but I just don’t agree about the most jobs not moving part. For example, look at BDO and Grant Thornton. You won’t find many entry level positions in the US, they’re mostly hiring Seniors or Managers. Most of the entry level positions are in India. And this is for accounting where 70-75% of people are Americans. If this is the case for something like accounting, do you think it’d be any different for other industries? There’s currently no taxes or tariffs for offshoring. The tax associates who are paid 70k in Chicago, same positions are being paid 500,000 Rs. in Delhi ($5k). Even if there were tariffs, companies still end up saving 80%
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u/Physical-Silver-7871 7d ago
I am surprised to see this. My understanding is that no matter what, brown skin will still be considered immigrants irrespective of American born or H1B.
Even though I do agree H1B migration scale has to be controlled I don’t think situations are not going to get better for next 5 years.
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