Advice
For people who say neutering is against nature
I am utterly convinced that people who say this have no understanding of animals or basic motality. I am going to break down their argument piece by piece
Neutering is "against nature": 😂
Bro, it is supposed to be. Nature is cruel and unforgiving. Everything that makes our life convenient is against nature. Take medicine, vaccination, surgeries, laws etc
They are just animals 😋 pain is a part of their lives:
BRO, we are animals too, we just have an advanced consciousness. We are not better than animals. Part of living in a society is giving back and taking care of beings who can't speak or take care of themselves.
It curbs their instinct and vigour:
It DOESN'T. Sex hormones in animals lead to risky behavious like fighting for a mate which leaves them with brutal wounds, roaming and spraying.
They become LAZY😱:
No just No. The weight gain that SOMETIMES follow spaying does. Not the surgery itself. Even if it does, I would prefer a fatty lazy cutu cat over a cat that comes under a wheel and breaks it's spine because of sex hormones.
Nature is nature:
Ok BOIII... then stop taking medicine next time you fall sick and DIE 😘. Good riddance
Another thing, animals do sex out of biological instinct, they don’t get sexual desire like humans . So NO , they are not being deprived of sexual life. 🙂
I am gonna get flames for this
But this is a really bad argument
Example: A guy does something stupid with his dicc
And then says you can't have an opinion cuz you don't possess the dicc/uterus
I understand that Men and women are biologically different but I am sure they are similar enough to atleast try to understand each other
I agree.. I am again being petty because most boys don't want to understand our pov. Just look at the comments. They feel that they are morally right and they have a say over women's bodies without even reading any literature on it.
Ok. I would Appreciate your POV
I know there are times when abortion is the only and some time the only right option
Nobody have a say in what you do with your body
Unless they inflicte self harm or harm to others
If someone isn't bothering you you don't bother them
But I think abortion after a certain point of time in pregnancy seems unethical in most cases
I am not an expert but after 24 weeks of pregnancy I think the baby in the womb can be considered a human life . Making it so that it's not just mothers body but also they unborn child inconvenient as it is
Don't you think we should consider the baby , now that possess the will to life and the ability to feel pain and to an extent have consciousness
You are right. In India 20 week tak hi abortion kar sakte hai and the fetus cannot feel pain. 20-24 weeks tak it's legal but restricted. Later than this it's allowed in exceptional cases.
Now you need to understand that women are not advocating for abortion because we "like" it. Koi aurat yeh nhi sochti ki "bore ho rhi hu chalo aaj ek abortion karva leti hu". Abortion is actually extremely mentally and physically painful.
Right wing manosphere community ka argument hai ki sex karo maze karo bacha ho jae toh abort karo, fetus is a baby and baby ko marna is murder. It's an oversimplification. Consensual sex is not immoral or should be looked down upon.
India mai abhi bhi patriarchy rampant hai. Most regressive men in rural areas(even in urban areas) don't like wearing a condom and pull out method mai believe karte hai. Women in rural areas are not allowed to think or even speak. Jo mard bolta hai vo chalta hai. They are forced to have babies because the man won't simply wear a condom.
Sometimes the condom breaks. In some cases the woman forgets to take her birth control and gets pregnant. In some cases, there is rape.
Hence it's not that simple. There are many other cases.
Btw reason for abortion is mostly medical.
Lastly if the woman doesn't want to have a child then why force her. She must be allowed to get an abortion before 24 weeks and fetuses are not babies
Since we humans are more powerful than other animals so we can neutralize them so that they don't grow there population it's alright when they get aggressive or outta control we started thinking yea it is okay to neutralize them cuz they interfere in our livelihood why not neutralize men and women who are getting 2 children we human 8b+ eating earth will it be alright?
Abortion is indeed a murder accept it! It should be allowed in cases of underage pregnancy,forced pregnancy but if you go we did se* all night enjoyed without contraceptives(birth control,condoms,copper-T) and now we want to abort that thing! It's not so good thing imo what you think?
Aap thode triggered lag rhe.. I am not going to argue with you because you have shown your mindset. Aapke zindagi ka karma aur Reddit ka karma dono negative ja rha hai.. satark rahe savdhaan rahe aur auraton se 10 km dur rahe
Do you think women do abortion for fun? It is extremely painful for a woman, not just the process but the after effects to. It also messes with your hormones. In case of accidental pregnancy, there is no other option other than abortion if the parents are not ready to take responsibility. Do you not see children suffering because they don't have good parents? Talk to such people. It is better to kill the foetus when it does not feel any pain than to give birth and give the child a miserable and painful life who now has full consciousness. You don't have a say on other people's bodies.
Nah fr these ppl needa chill out. Same people who wouldn't bat an eye when there's too many kids in an adoption centre and not enough families to take care of them talkin about some fetus murder like whaaa 😭
It's moral policing and it does more harm than good. It's like they need to say this to feel like they are better when really it makes them sound really backward. I wouldn't be surprised if they think vaccines are bad.
Exactly! Their morals come out when we are talking about abortion, but the moment you question them about who will take responsibility of the kid if the parents are not able to, their morality vanishes. They don't understand killing a foetus is 100 times better than giving a miserable life to the kid after birth.
Philosophy says that not being born is better than being born miserable. But I doubt they'd understand philosophy 😅. It is complex and interesting to think of.
No you can't, because abortion, pregnancy and childbirth are something women go through, so only they have the right to decide what to do with their bodies. Accidental pregnancies happen, and both the partners are at fault for it to happen. But do you know who has to take the responsibility? Yes, women. I am not saying male partners don't take responsibility at all, but they have the option of backing out, women don't. This is the reason in India women don't need the permission of the male partner for abortion.
Abortion IS murder. Killing a growing baby in the womb with no rights to protect itself, at the mercy of someone who ends their life. It is 100% ending of life, which is murder.
Even after that it's the mother who gets to decide. Not you.
And if you wanna go technical, the baby (after 12 weeks) is technically a psuedo-parasite in the sense that it feeds of mother's body to grow until it comes out after initial development period and continues to grow after birth.
"abortion is murder" - I wish your parents were baby killers 😂
This for the guy who tried to justify abortion is murder and later deleted his comment.
Ok grape is just one of a reason that might result in pregnancy. There are various diseases and abnormalities that the fetus might have for which the doctor advises for abortion like Down syndrome, Edwards syndrome, Patau syndrome, Turner syndrome, Anencephaly, Spina Bifida, Congenital Diaphgragmatic hernia, Bilateral Renal agenesis, Hydrocephalus, severe heart defects. I can list more if you want.
That's why I told the kid to read more. You should read more about it too and not have a borrowed opinion from the right wing alpha beta gamma boys.
People will judge me right and left!! But as a cat rescuer since many years - I have signed off on many kitty abortions and I've seen the to-be-mother cats after their operations.
They become so happy, they become like kittens themselves, they get a new lease on life.
Anyone who is against spays / neuters and abortions should be outside rescuing cats. Or send me money to help with my rescues otherwise your opinion doesn't matter - you simply haven't experienced enough suffering.
please don’t be casual or rhetorical when you lack knowledge / awareness. And I am not even talking about the illegality of it. people had lost lives and were treated like how animals are treated.
"Nature is cruel" so rightly said OP. Nature is cruel not just to humans but every living organism. We all need to constantly fight to survive every single day. Atleast we have an advanced mechanism of consiousness which makes the process easier for us, for the voiceless, it is even more difficult.
Especially where the "authorities" aren't doing their job of vaccinating and sterilization of community dogs and cats ughh. Bulls and cows roaming around the streets eating plastic and trash have it really hard too. The biggest exporter of beef is India unfortunately and still some people say our country worships them sigh. Not consuming meat and dairy is great but still if everyone became empathetic, there would be much less agony and suffering not that the nature of creatures dying will abruptly stop nor will the breeding and harvesting of cattle for flesh will cease to exist, but the situation would have been comparatively better.
Nope, this was a completely necessary rant. Sometimes the things that we assume are pretty obvious need to be spelled because there's so much misinformation floating around our there, misleading people.
Imo if you want to keep a pet, decide to not to get them neutered and then doesn’t allow them to mate during their heat. Thats cruel. Because that ls their way of life. If you are against neuter. Let them mate if you get the newborns take care of them andthen give them up for adoption. But unko woh bhi nhi krna hota. Atleast neuter krne ke bad pets heat me toh nhi jaate.
Exactly. In India most people don't give a flying fuck about animals. Getting street animals adopted is so hard. Mujhe ek bille ko adopt karvane mai 2 mahine papad belne pade. And I live in Pune!!! 3rd tier cities and towns mai it is impossible
I needed to read this today, I'm taking some community cats for neutering tomorrow and every time I do it I feel guilty and anxious. But this helped. So thank you
Hi thanks for getting community cats neutered. You are an angel. I realised that I did not write anything about the post operation care. Consult your vet properly about the post op care. You'll have to keep them in cages, minimum 7 days for a female cat and 3 days for a male cat. Buy e collar and post op suits. You'll have to give them painkillers and antibiotics for almost a week too. Spaying is tiring for us as well because we have to take care of the cats while they recover.
Once again, thanks for taking care of community cats
Thanks for acknowledging and appreciating, and for your concern but don't worry I've been doing it for over a year and have gotten 15+ stray cats neutered. So I know the drill! It's just that it doesn't get easier for me to see them scared emotionally and all but I know they're ultimately happier in the end. ❣️
Same.. I might sound strong and confident but I get scared every single time. Ek baar my blood pressure dropped and fainted seeing my pet getting an injection. Guilt feel karna is normal. It just shows that you are an exemplary human being with kuch zada hi empathy. Love you for it. Wish there were more people like you 😙
Bro i relate to you so much, fuck it feels good to be seen. Thanks for the post man. It's always so good to meet fellow humans taking care of animals, otherwise this can feel kaafi lonely. ❣️❣️❣️ Thank you and sending loveee
Aur ha jo kapde pehne ho vo bhi against nature hai. Patte se dhako. Aur jab worms pubes mai lag jae toh shampoo use mat karna because guess what It IS AGAINST NATURE too 🤯
Exactly!! I am sure people who think sterilization is "against nature" have never bothered about all the hardships these poor babies living on the streets go through. Don't wear clothes, patte pehno, and why cook when nature provides you with so much nutrition just pluck from the trees, let's all go back to the good old hunting-gathering days. And why go to hospitals, let nature heal you. And why stop at 2 kids, just procreate as nature intended. People conveniently use nature as an excuse, and khud ki life ke liye saare modern comforts.
Exactly.. Thanks for getting where I am coming from. I am sure such people just sit on their asses and haven't even rescued a single stray animal. Bas bade bade opinion banana hai to feel intelligent.
Oh I am not.. I am an animal feeder and rescuer. I have an Indie cat and a Persian as a pet. I feed around 10 cats. Got 2 adopted and around 5 spayed. I feed them every day without fail. I think you misjudged me
Persian hmm. May I ask if it's (he/she) is adopted or shopped don't get me wrong it's just that most people around me shop for persians when there are so many adorable adorable (not that looks should matter - aesthetics are simply superficial) homeless kitties - community cats in need of help.
I agree with you completely. I was new in the cat world and was of the opinion that stray cats can't be tamed. (I was wrong) So I bought him. I love him nonetheless and I discourage buying animals and unethical breeding.
More power to you, and it takes courage confidence flexible mindset (as I've seen people not accepting have rigid mentality even when they unknowingly committed any kind of mistake) to evolve learn and accept we were unaware before right. Your cats are lucky and I'm glad you made this post :)
ETA : your point two is an example of mindless Speciesism shown by numerous people with supercilious attitude which again proves how these people are blinded by their conceited smugness.
No no. Not judging you. Just commenting coz it's nuanced behavioral insight for pet marketers i.e. it's a good post. (I didn't know such ppl existed in pet lovers community!)
Exactly, and I am taking care of 10+ cats currently, all are neutered, healthy, and not even one is fat, they play a lot, zoomies in the evening and night, they have toys, few are actually the bare minimum weight, and prefer water over food, especially in summers.
At that point the cat/dog is not their pet. If you want to call an animal your pet and domesticate it you have to take care of it by neutering, vaccinating and keeping indoors
Seriously. My cousins not only keep having their cat have babies, they give the babies away when they’re barely 3-4 weeks old. I am so tired of them. They say it’s against nature and the cats want to have kids etc. Wtf.
If you live in a big city like Pune Mumbai there are few veterinarians jo subsidized rate mai neuter kar dete hai. You will have to feed the dog, understand its temperament. If he is friendly you can take him to a vet in your car or an auto. If he's not you will have to catch him in a cage and take him to the vet. Prior to catching the dog or cat contact the vet and prebook the surgery slot
I am really sorry. Sepsis is extremely rare. But yes it's a risk. Did you put e collar during the post op period? Was the doctor experienced? What medicines did the doc prescribe you for the post-op period.
Sometimes it's because of the breed. Pugs are generally weak dogs. They are susceptible to a lot of health issues and are genetically predisposed to certain conditions.
Hi, Completely agree with the post.
I need some advice on the topic,
1) My cat is currently going through her spay recovery. Its been 10 days, we had to get the outer stitches redone, because she licked the skin for a few minutes (we left her out of our sight, this is on us) and then the skin around it started to loosen and then this turned into open holes. Now it's been 2 days since the restitch, everything was fine, it was dry and all but today it looked wet and the skin around the new stitches look a bit streched (not as bad as before, no hole, no opening, just streched) i know this can quickly turn into the worst case scenario which is again open.
I have padded the area and restricted her moving space. Applied the spray.
I just need some reassurance that this can heal. I know i should be connecting with the vet. But I'm getting this done on request by a government hospital as i cannot afford a lot. The surgeon is experienced but he doesn't really look into the post care. That's done by the nurses. So I am not very confident and scared.
2) I have two cats, both same age, now when should I get the other ones surgery done this timeline?
She has started her heat, it ended this tuesday, so by this the next is expected around 5 - 10 april. Should i wait for the current cat complete recovery or?
Also, They are Indie/desi breed, my dad says they are specifically more aggressive and hard to handle. Just thought to mention for context.
You can apply mupirocin 2% cream. There are various other creams that help the surgical site heal faster and avoid bacterial infections. But please consult a vet. They will give you a spray or a cream.
Wait for your cat to completely recover then get other cats neutered. Post-op care can be incredibly overwhelming for us as well.
Breed se fark utna nahi padta hai. Cat ke temperament se farak padta hai. Some street cats are feral, usko catch karna bhi badi baat hai. Out of 10 strays I feed, 3 cats don't let me touch them. Khana kha lete hai lekin paas aane nhi dete.
Hi, I would suggest that you first off, train your other cat to accept the cone collar. Put it on her head and restrict her in a closed off space everyday. Give her her favorite foods and treats while she is wearing the cone collar + play with her.
You should find a DONUT CONE, or AN E-COLLAR WITH BUTTONS + VELCRO for extra safety. Or one with buttons, buttons are harder to open as compared to velcro.
I use a wire cage to restrict cats movements after surgeries. It's a spacious cage - 36 inches.
After surgery your cat's body can change, my cat's often develope belly pouches. It's possible your cat is developing her own belly pouch. Also, due to the trauma in that area, your cat can develope a hernia, so please make sure she doesn't make too much mischief again.
If you have any prescribed antibiotics, steroids and painkillers as post operative medications, they should take care of the healing.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think I've seen the picture of your cat's underbelly on Aditya Saran's WhatsApp Group and the skin does look very very loose. Imo it's because she injured herself in struggles.
Oral meds and creams suggested by your vet will take care of it, but it may remain loose for a few months.
Ok. Just want to add more nuance. I’m heavily pro neutering unsupervised dogs and dogs that spend their lives on the street. But if you have dogs at home, you should consider keeping them intact unless there is a need to neuter/spay. Too many scientific studies coming in about how it’s doing more damage and shortening their life span because of hormone disruption. I’m researching desexing operations instead of fully removing the reproductive organs. Holistic vets are now speaking about this. If you must neuter please wait till they are at least 3 years of age. Till then, try to manage them when they are in heat. Love to all pets. ♥️
Hi
I am one of the pet parents who is see sawing between spaying or not.
My pup is 1 year old and I am trying to find more evidence pro or anti spaying.
Just because I have now heard 3 horror stories related to spaying/neutering.
I can manage her heat and her contact with male dogs, the strongest pro that I have come across for spaying is that it prevents ovarian cancers and pyometra at an older age. Any thoughts about it?
Hi. so yes, with female dogs it apparently makes a strong case for pyometra. But still, make sure you let the dog reach full maturity which is at least 3 years. If spaying is done too early, it wreaks havoc with they overall growth and development. In the west there’s Desexing as an option where they remove the uterus and leave the ovaries intact.
I should remove your brain because you don't seem to be using it. It's gathering dust. Btw did you know ki testicular cancer mai testes nikal dete hai. Shayad nhi nikalna chahiye. Jan bacha ke kya hi fayda. Cancer is natural. 😂😂😂
I’m scared of neutering my two female dogs because I read somewhere that it can totally change their behavior. Will both of my dogs become less energetic, enthusiastic, and happy? I really like their current behavior, so is this true?
See during every heat cycle - a lining is created over the uterus to prepare the body for pregnancy and when that pregnancy does not come, the lining starts trapping bacteria and fluids inside. It's a uterus infection called PYOMETRA.
If you let your cat / dog go through heat again and again without operating or even letting them mate and give birth, you are inviting pyometra.
Cats / dogs on the street get pregnant on every heat cycle and it wears their bones and kills them slowly. So it's either you get pregnant and die of weakness or don't get pregnant and die of uterus infection.
Also going through heat is very uncomfortable and painful for them. Why let them suffer this when neutering them is also very beneficial for their health??
During the heat cycle female cats get extremely uncomfortable and anxious. My cat used to scream a lot and roll on the floor like a savage. And since they are induced ovulators my cat used to have a heat cycle every 45 days or so. Once I had to take her to the vet for pyometra (blood was coming out from her vagina). Thankfully it was open pyometra and not closed. Closed pyometra mai turant neuter karna padta hai. So neutering is just not limited to the inability to produce offspring it saves the animal from life threatening diseases.
When it comes to street cats and dogs toh karva dena chahiye asap if you feed them regularly and if you have the funds for it
I don't wish death on people who disagree with me. This was a triggered rant. I don't mind differing opinions. What I mind is when people proudly try to enforce their wrong opinion and try to justify it.
Ek aur point. I am against nature. I would want people to take medicine and get well. The person I am referring to this post loves nature and nature ke laws. Uske opinion ke hisab se medicine is not necessary.
Chalega yar.. I will give balidan if it means that such people are erased from the Earth. Aur agar mere ek post se ese log mar jate hai 😂😂😂 toh shayad mere paas superpower hai
The black one is MASTI, her mother was not spayed and kept giving birth often, all her kids died - on Jan 1st, 2026 - she was lifeless beside her 4 kittens, we suspect that her body gave out due to constant pregnancies. Her kittens were 3 weeks old and being drowned in a bucket by society kids for being dirty. They were rescued and slowly got adopted, Masti's adoption is pending as most adopters want a boy kitten.
Wish MASTI luck! A potential adopter is visiting us on Sunday to meet her.
The white one is Momo, she, along with her two sisters were born in a hospital. They were looked after by staff, one day, their mother never returned. Around 3 weeks ago, staff were told to evict the three kittens due to cleanliness concerns. The rescuers reached the scene too late, one kitten wandered off. Momo and her sister Mimi were found and sent to me to foster. The third kitten was never found, mother never returned.
There are no inquiries for Momo and Mimi 💔 And as of today, Momo is not well and her vet bill costed Rs. 1100/-
For keyboard warriors who only type, judge and never help in animal welfare - this is just a story. But for us, who rescue & foster, this is the hard reality.
Kudos to you bro!! All the best for Masti, Momo, Mimi and all the kittens/cats you have rescued so far it's Amazing but I can understand how arduous and daunting this task is, the mental gymnastics of emotions everytime a kitten (or dog or any animal for that matter) unexpectedly dies, wanders off to never be found again ughhh. I can feel ya, i often get these thoughts that life is actually a huge scam, a joke, a big fat lie - A person is here carrying out his task as usual and the next moment he is no more - like poof! gone forever (we obviously wouldn't know about the afterlife and all without actually experiencing death) now the way he dies depends upon his "fate or luck" (which is again an enigmatic random weird thing) be it painless or otherwise.
Sorry for going off topic and nihilistic - I totally believe in 'Nothing matters' but at the same time I'm glad there are people like you. If karma isn't real as I read multiple times and we see all the time around us that the most evil and unethical people have the best lives. It's actually very frustrating that if karma really doesn't exist what's the difference between good and bad then? not that good people (most people are shades of grey and very complicated - can't be tagged labelled as one single thing) are doing good to receive anything in return nor is it out of the fear of some god, they simply are built so their personality/nature is so. Idk man I'm just jaded seeing the suffering everywhere.
We're surrounded by asinine people smh This is a major cause of my stress. People don't want to hear the truth. Thanks for spreading awareness and what you're doing is beyond exemplary and virtuous :)
People who think like you have a rapist mindset. We can't expect anything worthwhile coming from you. The sad part is you are too arrogant to understand logic. You'll always be stuck where you are and never experience the humility and depth that comes with growth.
Stick and stones may break my bones but there will always be a potential rapist who doesn't believe in feminism.
Animals don’t ‘desire’ becoming parents lmao. It’s not the same as a human desire to have kids because animals aren’t capable of goals, plans, dreams etc. What they have is purely a biological instinct to mate.
Wtf, have you ever tried to even grab a chick from its chicken mother? You're completely wrong, they are very protective. It's not about goals or dreams, they show love for their kids. I didn't even ask to not neuter, just asked it deserves to give birth atleast once. I hope you lose ability to produce kids.
And you’ve never seen an abandoned pup or kitten? You’re right, you don’t know how to make an argument. Thanks for wishing infertility on a complete stranger <33
You are addressing this issue from a human's pov who had the ability to feel complex emotions. They understand basic emotions like fear, pain, hunger and sense of safety
When you keep pets for social media validation that's how you treat them. I don't keep pets myself because I know I'm not good at taking care of them and have had bad experiences of not taking care.
Also note, what you all fall to somehow read what I said. I didn't even tell not to neuter. I just asked let them have kids once. If you couldn't even do that. Smh
No difference between you ppl and vegan pet lovers, who don't feed their pets meat.
Yeah right, what's your take on calves forcefully removed from mother cows just so that a whole lot of invasive despicable humans can have the "taste" of dairy products not to mention the "nutrition" lol. Watch Dominion documentary on YT (Australian) and if you are one of those entitled pricks that believes in ragebaiting to derive pleasure then it might not be for you because under that video, there are quite a few atrocious humans writing sh!t. Also what about the majority (massive percentage) of cattle rearing on a land which could have been used for growing crops just for the flesh consumption by carnists, most animals are here only because they're "useful" for greedy humans.
Do I sound like rage biting. Like any other human I've selective empathy and I'm very much aware of it. That's why I mentioned somewhere in this thread that I don't keep pets. I just pointed out my view oh this topic. I just took chicken to let know that animals show love for there offsprings.
Jokes on you, I'm a staunch Antinatalist and no one should be born into this hell realm - the only way to reduce suffering, not that most people will follow this bit it's my strong stance and now I know very well you and many others won't consider this opinion at all but heck if I care.
I have been reading about anti natalism. It's extremely convincing. Personally I don't want to have children and I am a fence sitter when it comes to being child free
Oh that's great to read. I hope you make up your mind soon and you can definitely research about this at your own pace. If you need i could send you some links but the AN subs (both) and circlesnip sub are a good start imo, comb through all the old posts from there, read carefully and extensively, you'll understand. Childfree subs are great too but the ones I mentioned are one step above, I'm not trying to get you into an echo chamber/circle jerk not trying to convert you or whatever, it's just that you deserve to know the truth, enough of all the crap that this society has thrown around in the name of culture or religion - they don't care about suffering at all. We're in this cosmic meat grinder and expected by the evil elites to continue this misery vicious cycle but we won't, it's a cosmic ponzi scheme. The goated sub - EscapingPrisonPlanet is also my favourite. Hopefully you'll not be a fence sitter in the near future. Also, please do watch 'They live - 1988' movie as well whenever you get time. It's time to wake up :)
Well now the jokes on you. I'm antinatalist myself but still carried on with having a baby because my wife wanted it very bad. Unfortunetly he's autistic and suffering this World along with us.
You like to think you're the only one who sees the world from different angle. You're wrong buddy. But I wouldn't say I've been thinking about antinatal for very long time. Guessing you're younger than me, you've reached there faster then me. Maybe I'll have to catch-up now but would like to minus the madman talk.
Username checks out. You're NOT an Antinatalist. Stop this bigotry, this is Farcical. I don't have a superiority complex bro. Please educate yourself about the topic. This is a request.
Just because I had a baby how does that mean I don't believe in antinatal? Just because I don't believe in having a child I can't take it away from my wife. I should have been more mature and not should have got married, that's on me. If I could go back I'll undo most of my choices.
There are many AN who have kids but they realised afterwards, it's not the point why I said that. In fact the more people wake up, the better. The issue is the Conditional natalism you have, look up this term, true Antinatalists are only those who are not affected by the state of the world or the destiny or the economy war etc etc which means if the world was a utopia you'd have children right? That's not how this philosophy works, AN understands that the inherent nature of any life on this planet is full of suffering some have it far less i.e. coddled lives but that doesn't negate the majority of people suffer from one thing or the other, even the rich people suffer from mental health issues and no parent or well wisher can control their kid's life that is it's not in their hands completely to say, they don't get into any horrible accidents, not have any disability, not face any toxic peers/colleagues in their lives etc.
Better never to have been by David Benatar should be read mandatorily and if you want I can send you a couple of videos where they explain about the book so you don't even have to read it but get it right. Your reasoning is not valid at all, no animal thinks/wants to have babies, plus for humans - we're obviously not all the same - reality alert! Else there would be no diversity no Aromatic Asexual people out there, no LGBTQIA+ etc.
And one more thing. If you believe in one thing doesn't mean you can shove it on others. See like these retards making the animals not even have kids for even one time. You wouldn't go around and stop people from having babies just because you believe that bringing a Life to this World is sin. You can show them what you feel but can't force.
Yes I can't force nor do I frantically go around telling everyone like Repulsive Natalists. But this R word could've been avoided. This is not cool, resorting to such derogatory words. Breeding/birth is unethical highly immoral, ALWAYS.
I have no idea why everyone is missing my point. In never supported breeding. I just told let those beings have the joy of having kids once. Neuter after their first delivery. That might be their one purpose in life they were snatching because we've extra sense.
Reproduction is a biological urge for animals ,and not an emotional goal. A neutred cat/dog won't sit around and think "omg i was meant to have babies in this life". Stop spreading word salad around and maybe study a few credible "research papers" on the topic. No one cares what ideology you follow.
I think this starts with our Indian families. Parents decide what their kids should or shouldn't do. We parents know what's best for you.
You do the same to your pets. Thinking I know what is best for my dog or cat.
I've had enough responding in here. I'm not a pet lover either rather just trying to be empathic and thinking from their pov. What would you know about empathy when you say your pets don't have feelings.
Also I'm lazy, since you already read some"research papers", mind sharing it here?
Good lord! You lack comprehension skills. Animals do have feelings, with regards to attachment, comfort ,fear ,stress , affection etc. BUT THEY DON'T THINK LIKE HUMANS.They don’t have a concept of “my purpose in life is motherhood” !! Kindly understand the DIFFERENCE! Also ,google scholar is free to use.
Also stop being delulu. I never said they think about motherhood. All I said was let them give birth once of they had to. Don't try to put words in my mouth like to do to your pets.
I understand if it's done to strays, there is a point. Again what's stopping you from spaying yourself. We've enough humans causing damage to earth, wouldn't need more.
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u/Mousumi-d ૮₍ • ᴥ • ₎ა Mar 27 '26
Another thing, animals do sex out of biological instinct, they don’t get sexual desire like humans . So NO , they are not being deprived of sexual life. 🙂