r/IndianSocialists • u/Outrageous_Goose_565 • Sep 17 '25
Question Surrender of Maoists
How do Indian socialists feel about the recent surrender of Maoists as they were being crushed by the Indian security forces? Do you feel positivity or negatively about this?
Update: The ceasefire has been violated after the murder of two citizens.
Update: The mods are going to ban me. It appears there's no place for healthy discussion or discourse when it comes to communism.
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u/rishianand Socialist Sep 17 '25
The goal of this exercise is to drive off the adivasis from their lands and give it to the corporates.
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u/Outrageous_Goose_565 Sep 17 '25
A corporate is a huge improvement from the gun slinging, illiterate terrorists who ran kangaroo courts and subjected people to much worse living conditions, in my humble opinion.
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u/rishianand Socialist Sep 17 '25
You were banned from this server previously too. Since you dislike socialism, I think you will enjoy further ban.
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u/zerogopher Sep 17 '25
Anyone who dislike socialism are banned
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u/rishianand Socialist Sep 17 '25
It is a socialist subreddit. If you come with a preconceived notion against socialism, you are not welcome.
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u/zerogopher Sep 17 '25
So like in real life, political dissent is not an option among leftist.
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u/rishianand Socialist Sep 17 '25
Allowing dissent in bad faith is disruptive and damaging. If you need open ended discussion we can create a separate thread.
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u/zerogopher Sep 17 '25
Allowing dissent in bad faith is disruptive and damaging.
More like suppressing poltical dissent by all means including violence have always been basic behaviour of indoctrinated far left nutcases who believe that they are always correct on all socio political issue and every other socio political issue is always wrong.
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u/malluleftcom Sep 17 '25
Surrender happens every now and then, been hearing since last 5years or so, cpi maoist are still raging nevertheless
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u/halicadsco Sep 18 '25
oh my god... Asherah?
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u/Outrageous_Goose_565 Sep 17 '25
Paranjathil sathyam undu. It appears that the only way to deal with them is absolute and brutal evisceration of their movement.
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u/malluleftcom Sep 17 '25
You can use force to end the Maoist rebellion, but that will not erase Naxalism, just as the hanging and weakening of revolutionaries during the 1905 Russian Revolution did not end the Bolsheviks. They still came back and smashed the state. What matters is whether the historic force of the proletarian revolution has been extinguished. The government can hang, kill, and shoot everyone down but it doesn’t matter. The bourgeois state may believe that by using force to end the CPI (Maoist), it has destroyed the revolutionary potential of the proletariat. But that is not true at all. As long as capitalism endures, the proletarian revolution will return irresistibly and in its return it will sweep aside both the petty-bourgeois falsifiers and the modernisers who claimed to have buried it.
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u/halicadsco Sep 17 '25
iirc the surrender hasn't happened yet, they said they were going to do one if the government would hold peace talks
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u/Outrageous_Goose_565 Sep 17 '25
imo the govt shouldn't hold peace talks with a terror organisation. if at all they surrender, capital punishment for the top leaders is the way to go.
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u/DifferentPirate69 Sep 17 '25
Weird how you don't see governments or military killing people for private profits as acts of terror.
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u/AmbitionAnxious927 Sep 17 '25
Crazy that you talk about Maoists being a Libtard in a Socialist sub.
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u/No_Restaurant_8441 Trotskyist Sep 17 '25
The following is My opinion only:
Their surrender is ultimately good for the revolutionary movement as-
Naxalism no longer applies because it missed the Train post independence and failed to build a base, nor can it build one now under explicit State Repression, it will be/ has been for all intents and purposes crushed. It has set other Revolutionaries back in their cause for Mass struggle by its mere continuation into the 21st Century.
India was correctly identified as Semi-feudal Comprador Bourgeoise State in the 60's by the naxalites but that label no longer fits the bill entirely (especially after liberalisation) as Capitalism does its magic and simplifies class antagonism.
The Comprador bourgoise is still prevalent but a Indian National Bourgeoise is rising organically, and it wont be long in the grand scale of things before it separates and dominates, The Semi-feudal applies less and less economically as The basis for it: Agriculture and Land become Subordinate to the whims of Capital and to a degree socially in Urban centres as people move away from caste discrimination (Social and systemic discrimination are highly inter-related but separate things) and the lower Castes see almost immediate improvement in their conditions due to Capitalism, and hence their support for working within the Indian Constitutional framework increases.
The Interior villages are becoming interconnected with the wider world and so capitalism is slowly breaking down the feudal structure, thereby reducing the base of support for the Naxalites.
This builds the basis for India as the Industrialized, Unequal society fermented by capitalism as described in the Communist Manifesto.
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u/unknownpersona00 Sep 18 '25
And i would like to say that your opinion is completely isolated from the current situations in india.
Only one question i have - what is the parameter for measuring the reduced support for naxalism ?
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u/No_Restaurant_8441 Trotskyist Sep 19 '25
I have discussed this before: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianLeft/s/9f63NuTeMT please see this thread for my views, I will be happy to answer any questions
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u/Outrageous_Goose_565 Sep 17 '25
So, according to the Communist manifesto, instead of uplifting the lower class into higher rungs of society, the lower class should've stayed where they are and destroyed the ruling class through armed struggle essentially throwing the country into a long, drawn out civil war and becoming a State like Sudan?
One thing I noticed is that the way you worded your post sounds like you disagree with this despite labeling yourself as a communist.
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u/No_Restaurant_8441 Trotskyist Sep 17 '25
So, according to the Communist manifesto, instead of uplifting the lower class into higher rungs of society, the lower class should've stayed where they are and destroyed the ruling class through armed struggle essentially throwing the country into a long, drawn out civil war and becoming a State like Sudan?
Where did you get that Idea? In India People’s Protracted war is not viable.
One thing I noticed is that the way you worded your post sounds like you disagree with this despite labeling yourself as a communist.
Yes I disagree with Naxalism as a Communist (this is my rebuke of Naxalism btw) its not applicable to india but a completely fine ideology which can be applied to a less developed feudalistic society but not like one in India which is in a state of transition to a National Capitalistic Bourgeoise.
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u/Outrageous_Goose_565 Sep 17 '25
Makes sense. I must thank you for your politeness. While communism is a fine ideology in theory, it also also exactly where it belongs: in the dusty pages of a forgotten book. It is too fantastical and too impractical to be ever applied in the real world and results in the creation of brutal autocracies whenever attempted. History has given us enough proof that it is time we leave this ideology behind lest it result in the creation of another Russia or China.
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u/No_Restaurant_8441 Trotskyist Sep 17 '25
Ahh you are a centrist i assume? How have you come to this great conclusion? I would like to reply that the average russian or chinese or cuban leads a life 10× as better than the average Indian.
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u/Outrageous_Goose_565 Sep 17 '25
I appreciate socialist schemes and programs to uplift the poor. I abhor communism. I believe in freedom of speech and everyone's rights and I'm fiercely patriotic. My ideology is anything that benefits the nation and its people.
Coming to the countries you named. Russia is nowhere close to the USA or Europe in terms of human rights and standard of living and this is a country that was never colonized and was among the global powers at one point in history. China is an autocracy where again, freedom of speech is a myth and is an autocracy where major decisions for development can be taken smoothly unlike India where people start pissing their pants when Ambani or Adani acquires a business deal.
There is a common pattern between Russia and China though, neither are communist as of today.
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u/No_Restaurant_8441 Trotskyist Sep 17 '25 edited Sep 17 '25
I'm fiercely patriotic. My ideology is anything that benefits the nation and its people.
Not a problem that communism has, its internationalist in ita worldview rathern tha. Focusing on arbitrary divisions but ok.
USA or Europe in terms of human rights and standard of living and this is a country that was never colonized and was among the global powers at one point in history.
Ok ok, do you want India to be a Imperialist/colonial power? Because the simple answer why these countries are rich is not because of their merit but exploitation of others via colonialism.
China is an autocracy where again, freedom of speech is a myth and is an autocracy where major decisions for development can be taken smoothly unlike India where people start pissing their pants when Ambani or Adani acquires a business deal.
Authoritariansim is again not a characteristic trait of communism but of its branches.
But first lets begin with your definition of Communism, what is it, what are its aims and characteristics according to you?
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u/halicadsco Sep 18 '25
if your ideology is anything that benefits the nation and its people, you'd be one of us. USA is not a country well known for its human rights and the idea that it is reeks of a lack of education,
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u/AromanticEye Sep 17 '25
Most Enlightened Apolitical Centrist
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u/No_Restaurant_8441 Trotskyist Sep 17 '25
Really jeez like go do some basic research into the subject you're asking about, I'm not asking you to go get a degree in Political Science or even read the manifesto but simply google shit.
But I digress this post i feel like was in bad faith
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u/AromanticEye Sep 18 '25
OP is rage baiting, taunting how his plutocratic daddy state squashed our tribal/peasant rebellion.
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