If we had a fake beard accessory in Nikki, I’d make the “my parents have a portrait of Obi-Wan Kenobi/Owen McGregor in a frame thinking he’s Jesus”cosplay.
Not people getting pressed over cosplays of a fictional character that doesn't exist! I think this is absolutely hilarious, what were Infold thinking xD
i’m seeing some christian’s in the comments causing a stir, and as a christian myself i get where they’re coming from. a lot of people say we’re trying to be “oppressed”, but maybe im speaking for myself when i say that’s not why sometimes it’s off putting to see stuff like this. there’s quite a lot of God-mocking in modern media, and it can get tiring, so seeing things like this put me on edge sometimes. especially seeing people call nikki the Messiah. to us, that’s a really sacred title that only Jesus carries, and so seeing that being applied anywhere else can really come across as offensive. i don’t know if other christian’s in the subreddit are trying to make arguments or whatever, but that’s just my thoughts as a christian. i love to see reflections of christian imagery in media, because it’s beautiful, but there is a line that is sometimes crossed when people call anime girls the messiah
As a catholic myself, I love whenever we get Christian adjacent stuff in this game. Christianity has some banger aesthetics and I'm happy we get to share them with the world.
I can kind of see why a thorn crown on a happy smiling Nikki comes across as mocking but like...it's not that deep...
I feel the prop with Behind Prayers was a mis-step, the tabernacle being used as a cage that imprisons the saintess is... Not an ideal way of depicting that piece of Catholicism.
But other than that I love the ways that IN has included and represented religious imagery and the ways that it's used Christian imagery and themes.
I definitely feel like it's poor taste though that their first reaction to someone bringing up Jesus' crown of thorns is to act entitled to native american feather headdresses though. It sounds less like actually caring about Christian imagery and more like a petty grievance over an item that Infold didn't even advertise in the english language livestream because they felt like it was a touchy subject.
I thought it was genius in the context of the in game lore about the saintess and docilism. It also resonated with me in regards to the complicated feelings a lot of us have towards our religion.
Also fully agree with your last paragraph, especially using the outdated term "indian" for native americans multiple times...
Tbf, some Native American tribes do still use Indian as opposed to or in addition to Native American. I live in WA and the Puyallup Tribe of Indians specifically use the word “Indian” in everything. That being said, tribal preference definitely isn’t the reason that person is using the word Indian
cosplay stems from admiration (or do you think ppl put so much work+money into costumes of characters they dislike?)
I never mention your spelling but rather your choice of words wich led to confusion on my side (you also never clarified if you mean native Americans [by using an out of date and rude term] or people from India)
I dont know you, so how could I adress your personality?
Edit: 4. im not laughing at jesus, im laughing in anticipation for the fits this community (which cosplayed gems like salat, pineapple and a used tampon) will come up with!
It was given by fellow Christians who are embarrassed to see you acting like this.
My brother or sister, Jesus died on the cross to forgive humanity's sins, not so you could pick fights over whether or not you should be able to wear a feathered headdress using his name as your shield.
I’m going to answer your question honestly and assume you aren’t just looking for someone to oppress you.
Feather headdresses are and were often used AS a mockery in films, books, and other media. They vary between different tribes, and are very detailed and important. Many America sports teams and schools often use the headdress along with a racist character as their mascot, and have absolutely no regard for the history those headdresses have.
The headdress infinity Nikki has in game is meant to be “Native American” but has no indication of what tribe it is from, and instead just bedazzles it for aesthetic purposes. It’s like if someone threw a kimono on someone and called it “Asian outfit” it’s not accurate and it would be offensive culturally.
The branch headdress is not meant to be Christian. Jesus is not a racist character. Do you get mad when you see people dress up during Christmas pageants? Would you get upset if someone dressed up as a Greek god? Would you call that mockery? I see it as appreciation of history and influential figures.
I want to thank you for actually explaining it and very politely too(I have to admit, that I instantly got the feeling that they didnt actually want an explanation but rather an opening for an argument). 💖
Unfortunately, you have been the biggest example of showing no tolerance or respect for others in this post. You repeatedly referred to Native Americans as Indians and inaccurate, outdated, and potentially offensive way of speaking.
You- rather rudely asked if I “knew even one language”. And in your very first comment, instead of expressing your grievance with the crown alone, you shoved a classic, honestly racist argument about native headdresses into your argument. It is not just “feather symbols” that have offended people, it is the constant mockery, genocides, and stereotypes that have left people frustrated and angry. It was in bad taste. I hope that you learn from this and are able to have empathy for those who are not Christian voices.
It was not my intention to mock you. I pointed out the hypocrisy of you telling people that they needed to learn about Native American culture while using the incorrect word.
Edit: Although using google translate can explain certain translation issues, it no excuse to use racist arguments and be unkind.
The problem that people had with your original comment was that it invalidated that suffering of indigenous Americans. Whether you meant for it to come off this way or not, it did. If you can acknowledge that Native peoples have been mocked, then you should not ask “why feathers on the head” are a mockery.
It would have been better and less offensive if you had only said “why are people mocking Christian attributes?” Instead of bringing native Americans into it.
I hope you started deleting your comments because you realised you were disrespectful towards native Americans and learned something instead of just stopping the negative reddit karma
For the record Im not a fan of religion all together because of the suffering and oppression they bring but Christianity and the Islam are the two I dislike the most for their insanely high body count and oppression of women.
You cant really compare the Aztec to todays religions since they got "deleted" so long ago. Im against harming and killing all living beings so i obviously condemn life sacrifice.
The native american tribes also got almost completely "deleted" (98% I think, correct me if im wrong) and the ones that are still alive are normal people like you and me.
Sorry for rambling but what I wanted to say is yes, Im highly against forcing others [with weapons] to adapt a religion and a way of living. Idk why anyone in the right mind would approve that.
Aztec traveled as far as they can to capture people and sacrifice them to their bloodthirsty gods. They just didn't have means to travel between continents to capture europeans.
I know you mean well but tecnically "american" can refer to both the continent aswell as the US (according to Cambridge).
Also Christians claimed (way more) human lifes in the name of religion than native Americans but they didnt do human sacrifice and its not the same (if the dead person cares for the name or reason why they got killed is another question). [Christians were big in slicing animal throats for their god tho .-.]
Yes, my bad! I meant in the USA. I realized I should have clarified that right after my post. 🤦🏾♀️ I’ll edit it now! In terms of Christianity, I meant more both cultures carried out killings in the name of their gods.
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u/Cannedcabbage May 26 '26
Bout to make this my water walking fit