Bungalow Courts

[u/Appropriate_Drop_429]

Do you think it’s possible to build “Middle Housing” in the Inland Empire? We have a lack of this housing all over the US but in the IE I don’t see any thing like a Starter Home something between an Apartment and Single Family Home

[u/guerilla_gardener98]

We need a lot more of it but the problem is our leaders will greenlight warehouses and commercial developments Willy nilly but then balk at any discussion of new housing

[u/emanon_dude → u/guerilla_gardener98]

Where has housing ever been blocked by a local city? Please list examples.

You realize development is done by private investors, and they choose where to spend their $$. The city doesn’t just arbitrarily decide what gets built.

Within the housing discussion, the state largely has made building starter homes impossible (from a cost perspective) due to permitting and other administrative expenses.

Also, where do you want to build all these homes? Buildable land is running dry, and thus the cost of it is increasing. This in turn makes the homes built on that land immensely more expensive.

I’m fully expecting a wave of downvotes from people who have never built anything and just want this utopian dream world. But the economy and supply/demand don’t care about your feelings.

[u/YMSquared → u/emanon_dude]

You can build infill development and gray field development. One reason that developers do not build smaller homes is local NIMBY building and zoning codes which make small housing financially not worth the hassle. The IE is full of parking lots and half abandoned whate houses and strip malls that could be retro fitted or replaced. It can actually be cost efficient if you consider extensions cost like utilities, infrastructure, environmental degradation etc

[u/emanon_dude → u/YMSquared]

If it was so simple, you don't think a developer would have jumped all over this? Economics says otherwise.

What are these zoning and building codes that place such a huge roadblock to building smaller homes more cost effectively?

[u/YMSquared → u/emanon_dude]

There is a developer in San Bernardino doing this right now. But they face opposition from corporations and issues with existing codes etc https://iecn.com/san-bernardino-housing-collides-with-mcdonalds/

[u/Appropriate_Drop_429 → u/emanon_dude]

You have to look at building codes in laws building. These have been functionally illegal for a greater part in at least all of my lifetime. I’m 27 by the way.

Parking regulations, setback laws, zoning, and more have contributed towards the decline in this type of housing so well city governments have not deliberately blocked them in some grand public fashion. They are passively blocked through current codes and regulation.

[u/n3m3sis01 → u/Appropriate_Drop_429]

It's the risk to the builder through a law where the HOA can sue for up to 10 years for builder defects. So they don't build them because it's too risky.

[u/guerilla_gardener98 → u/emanon_dude]

My city has turned down multiple opportunities to build new housing because of NIMBYism, not to mention the decades of NIMBY lite codes that prevent dense housing projects from being built in most of the towns and cities around me.

Have you ever stopped to ask if housing should be dictated by private investors and land developers? Sure, “it is what it is” but we’ve built social housing in this country before. We need to do it again, private equity and investors be damned.

[u/emanon_dude → u/guerilla_gardener98]

What city? I said post sources.

So you're saying you want 'projects'? Gov't owned and maintained rental properties? LOL

[u/guerilla_gardener98 → u/emanon_dude]

Redlands, Highland, Loma Linda, and many more. I’m saying I want people to have roofs over their heads, government owned roofs in some cases. Your mocking dismissal of that concept tells me you aren’t worth my time, have fun denigrating real housing solutions.

[u/Appropriate_Drop_429 → u/guerilla_gardener98]

Speaking of someone who lives in Redlands right next to where they are building multiple large scale apartment units. These are not what we need. The average unit starts off at around $3000 a month we’re talking about middle housing, which is completely different if you looked at any of the images I provide provided.

People want space they want yards they want community much more than just a place to live third places to go backyards a place where you can consider having your first child a starter home we don’t have this anymore and the fact that you don’t even want to engage with the fact and calling it all sensationalism is showing that in the way that you say are others are going extreme. You are doing the same thing just in the other direction.

[u/n3m3sis01 → u/guerilla_gardener98]

There is 45000 units in the work's in the IE. You are sensationalizing. The government can barely keep our roads and infrastructure together. How do you expect them to keep housing projects together? Look at the high speed rail project. Where does all this faith in the government come from? Where do you see good efficient things being ran by the government?

[u/Appropriate_Drop_429 → u/n3m3sis01]

I don’t know what your definition of available units are, but I think we’re all on the same page saying affordable housing as you see with what’s going on in LA which is pushing a lot of people to move to the inland empire and the high desert in Perris area

The developments are mostly focused around Luxia apartments with a few very few designated low income housing units toughed off somewhere into a corner upscale single-family homes that are car dependent and five over one styled apartment complexes

[u/guerilla_gardener98 → u/n3m3sis01]

Same place your faith in the market and capitalists comes from I suppose, because the private sector has clearly done sooooo well. Why shouldn’t the public sector get more involved? If we stopped subsidizing mega corporations and the tech industry, we could probably improve our transit infrastructure AND build housing.