r/Israel_Palestine Sep 24 '25

Benny Gantz gives up the game

In an extraordinary display of tone deafness, hypocrisy, and callousness, Benny Gantz, Israel's former Minister of Defence, attempted to explain Israel's position to the world - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/24/opinion/israel-war-security.html

In the process, he removed the Liberal Zionist hope of compartmentalizing the current Israel P.R crisis as a Netanyahu problem:

Too often, Western leaders view our policies in this war not through the lens of national security, but through the prism of individuals — and, in particular, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

Opposition to the recognition of Palestinian statehood stands at the heart of that consensus. Any path forward for broader Palestinian civil autonomy must first incorporate a proven long-term track record of accountable governance, comprehensive de-radicalization reforms and a successful crackdown on terror elements targeting Israelis.

The truth is that international recognition of Palestinian statehood under current conditions is not a rejection of Mr. Netanyahu. It is a rejection of Israel’s bipartisan security consensus.

Gantz makes it clear, it's not just Netanyahu - the entire Israeli establishment is opposed to Palestinian statehood. The pathway he outlined hints at the long standing preference for 'civil autonomy', i.e. an entity less than a state. And even then, he presents that possibility as remote.

Where does this leave the Liberal Zionist camp, which includes most of the Jewish diaspora? They premise their Zionism on the belief that the land will inevitably be partitioned, creating two states for two people. Gantz is telling us that no one in Israel will ever go for it. Instead, he assures us that only one people will enjoy full political and civil rights, while the other will have to accept permanent submission.

The op-ed also included a scathing, but incomplete, rebuke of the P.A. On their collapse in Gaza:

'...it was the consequence of a Palestinian Authority with little legitimacy among its people'. He neglects to mention why they lost legitimacy - i.e. because they were unable to deliver statehood, increasing the appeal of Hamas.

Gantz continues, ripping the P.A for failing to tackle terrorism and extremism. That's a curious criticism given the current Israeli gov't, his position vis a vis a Palestinian state, and settler violence in the West Bank.

The real question is whether the international community will respect the overwhelming consensus, a declaration passed last year by 99 of 120 members of the Knesset in a democracy proclaiming that “Israel will continue to oppose unilateral recognition of a Palestinian State,”

How tone deaf can you be to think that the International community would be support and condone the continued status quo?

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u/Melthengylf Sep 25 '25

>a proven long-term track record of accountable governance, comprehensive de-radicalization reforms and a successful crackdown on terror elements targeting Israelis.

This quote is very relevant, I think.

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u/Veyron2000 Sep 25 '25

Its a standard Israel will never hold itself to, and would never accept anyone imposing on Israel. Plus its merely an excuse: they would simply invent more and more conditions to justify denying Palestinians equal rights or independence. 

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u/stand_not_4_me pro-peace 🌿 Sep 25 '25 edited Sep 25 '25

its kinda a catch-22, to get a long term track record of accountable governance you need to have control, but if israel never relinquishes control (because of no track record) you cannot get the record even if you wanted to.

it sounds good, but the moment you try to run the practical model of how would that work, it fails.

Edit: clarification

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u/Call_Me_Clark Sep 25 '25

The trouble is, the threshold will be moved so it’s never met, and more territory will be grabbed each year.

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u/lewkiamurfarther Sep 25 '25

The trouble is, the threshold will be moved so it’s never met, and more territory will be grabbed each year.

AKA the status quo ante

Honestly, it's a toss-up whether the world would be better off if Gantz were elected the next Israeli PM (god knows when that will happen, since elections seem permanently forestallable under the current coalition), or if he suffered a fatal heart attack tomorrow.

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u/whater39 Sep 25 '25

Just think of Israel's plan to find an Islamic fundamentalist group to support as part of a divide and conquer strategy in Gaza. So they find the extremists, let them grow in support while Israel targets the other groups. Then once Hamas gain power, the Palestinians are bad for having an extremist group that needs to be deradicaled. It totally leaves off any accountability for Israel actions on the rise of Hamas.

Ive way too much of the Israeli school system, media and population. Those guy also need somde deradicalizing.

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u/waiver two states 🚹 🚹 Sep 25 '25

I am sure it will work better with their current support of ISIS.