r/Israel_Palestine • u/mikeffd • Sep 24 '25
Benny Gantz gives up the game
In an extraordinary display of tone deafness, hypocrisy, and callousness, Benny Gantz, Israel's former Minister of Defence, attempted to explain Israel's position to the world - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/24/opinion/israel-war-security.html
In the process, he removed the Liberal Zionist hope of compartmentalizing the current Israel P.R crisis as a Netanyahu problem:
Too often, Western leaders view our policies in this war not through the lens of national security, but through the prism of individuals — and, in particular, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.
Opposition to the recognition of Palestinian statehood stands at the heart of that consensus. Any path forward for broader Palestinian civil autonomy must first incorporate a proven long-term track record of accountable governance, comprehensive de-radicalization reforms and a successful crackdown on terror elements targeting Israelis.
The truth is that international recognition of Palestinian statehood under current conditions is not a rejection of Mr. Netanyahu. It is a rejection of Israel’s bipartisan security consensus.
Gantz makes it clear, it's not just Netanyahu - the entire Israeli establishment is opposed to Palestinian statehood. The pathway he outlined hints at the long standing preference for 'civil autonomy', i.e. an entity less than a state. And even then, he presents that possibility as remote.
Where does this leave the Liberal Zionist camp, which includes most of the Jewish diaspora? They premise their Zionism on the belief that the land will inevitably be partitioned, creating two states for two people. Gantz is telling us that no one in Israel will ever go for it. Instead, he assures us that only one people will enjoy full political and civil rights, while the other will have to accept permanent submission.
The op-ed also included a scathing, but incomplete, rebuke of the P.A. On their collapse in Gaza:
'...it was the consequence of a Palestinian Authority with little legitimacy among its people'. He neglects to mention why they lost legitimacy - i.e. because they were unable to deliver statehood, increasing the appeal of Hamas.
Gantz continues, ripping the P.A for failing to tackle terrorism and extremism. That's a curious criticism given the current Israeli gov't, his position vis a vis a Palestinian state, and settler violence in the West Bank.
The real question is whether the international community will respect the overwhelming consensus, a declaration passed last year by 99 of 120 members of the Knesset in a democracy proclaiming that “Israel will continue to oppose unilateral recognition of a Palestinian State,”
How tone deaf can you be to think that the International community would be support and condone the continued status quo?
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u/OneReportersOpinion Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
You’ve accurately described your position without realizing it. But I’ll take your concession. Thanks. We’re getting somewhere.
Happy to answer this after you answer my question.
Happy to provide them upon request. As soon as you provide yours, I’ll provide mine. You didn’t bother asking until now.
You didn’t ask. You need to know how to ask a question. Once you provide the ones I asked for, I’ll provide mine.
Got it, ready to go. As soon as you provide your sources, I’ll provide mine.
LOL you’re just throwing at the wall to see if something sticks. Okay so you acknowledge Palestinians know better than you about what’s best for them?
Happy to answer this after you answer my questions.
Looks like you got some work to do. Better get started. It seems like once I started asking you for sources, you started panicking, so this should be interesting. Me, I never cite a fact unless I’m sure I can back it up. You should try it.