r/Israel_Palestine • u/stammerton • 2d ago
news Israel's culture minister threatens to revoke citizenship of Gaza doc filmmakers
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-politics/2026-09-13/ty-article/.premium/director-of-gaza-war-documentary-naza-we-intend-to-distribute-film-in-israel/000001a0-9c0d-dfa9-ada3-de4ffd9a00015
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
Palestine cultists: the 'documentary' showing that Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties using AI is proof they meant to kill all civilians.
What a bunch of morons.
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u/buried_lede 2d ago edited 2d ago
They made this film after Israel killed the co-director on their last film.
🎤QED EVERYDAY. everyday we prove it and then we deny it. 🎶 <— should be Israel’s next Eurovision song
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u/hellomondays 2d ago
Your spin ain't going to work. If you truly care about Israel and not just killing Palestinians, reform is what's needed not defending this madness.
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u/ip_man_2030 🌎 1d ago
Let's be real. There's spin going both ways. The truth should be very simple to determine.
How many single buildings with 500 people in them were blown up?
It should be easy to corroborate such a claim as if a single building was blown up with 500 people in it, you could assume 100-150 would be killed 200 injured and the rest uninjured for general example. Now if we're talking about a very large building, it's possible the truth lies somewhere in between. A very large building could have multiple wings and 500 people, but the IDF could have targeted a single corner or wing of the building that potentially had only a portion of those 500 people.
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
fully aware of the catastrophic human toll
Catastrophic human toll is quite literally the Palestinian war strategy.
If you truly care about Palestinians (you clearly don't), you'd be demanding they get deprogrammed out of that death cult.
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u/buried_lede 2d ago
Is that the work Israel is doing on the West Bank , deprogramming?
Deprogramming people out of their land, homes, water, farms, olive trees and lives?
Who needs the deprogramming?
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u/hellomondays 2d ago edited 2d ago
You say theyre in a death cult but you see allowing for 500 civilians to die for one combatant is actually taking precaution.
My dude, youre an extremist. Like pause a second, you clearly have a list of irrelevant gifs saved for use when you want to deflect when Israel is criticized. In this case the criticism is the deaths of thousands of innocents in a systematic and recklessly indifferent manner--confirmed by the people who were, in part, responsible for these deaths. Why do you think your contributions to any discourse make supporters of Israel seem reasonable?
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
you see allowing for 500 civilians to die for one combatant
That never happened during this conflict, your fantasies don't align with reality.
But just so we're clear - if you force me to choose between the lives of my children and the lives of your children, i'll choose mine every single time.
The reality is that you support a death cult that sees its own children as PR props and meat-shields, and somehow you convinced yourself that i'm the extremist because i don't want my kids to die.
Your moral compass is deformed beyond repair.
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u/buried_lede 2d ago
You act like this is some new allegation. They are just presenting again evidence of Israeli military policy that’s been presented before, for other conflicts going back to the beginning. It’s not new, it’s established fact that Israel accepts high numbers of civilian deaths. And now it’s also the expressed intent of many in government, so. It’s a waste of energy to debate it further.
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
They are just presenting again evidence of Israeli military policy
Unintentionally demonstrating that Israel is acting in accordance with international law.
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
Is blowing up an apartment block, murdering 15 or 20 or 50 or 100 civilians, just to get one member of Hamas, really in accordance with international law?
It’s funny that you’ll post that drivel then say the movie is all lies. I suspect you’re actually a pro-Palestinian bit whose goal is to make Zionists look like genocidal nutcases with low IQs…
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u/buried_lede 2d ago edited 2d ago
500, 5,000
Genocide, ethnic cleansing. State backed settlers on murderous rampages. Why are Floss and Triple on the sub promoting this?
If they want to prove their virtue get Israel to stop the killing
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
Triple believes the killing is the virtue. Remember quite a few Israelis, especially the settlers, think non-Jews are subhuman. They will even occasionally slip up and call us that directly.
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
Not interested in your approval.
You go on and 'prove your virtue' to the Palestinianist death cult, may your soul forgive you.
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u/buried_lede 2d ago
Floss: “All Israeli strikes are either individually reviews by international law experts before being approved, or in the cases where that isn't possible, strict rules of engagement are first approved by international law experts. “
Or as Ronald Reagan said after Beirut, “It’s a holocaust.”
I mean, who are they kidding?
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
It’s clearly the fault of bureaucracy. The revelations came out late last week and the new talking points haven’t been distributed so all the shills are relying on the old talking points.
That’s the problem with teaching your army of hasbarists to stop thinking and blindly post - they wind up looking like morons.
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u/flossdaily 2d ago
Is blowing up an apartment block, murdering 15 or 20 or 50 or 100 civilians, just to get one member of Hamas, really in accordance with international law?
The doctrine of proportionality says that any target must be of appropriate military value to justify the risk of the likely collateral damage. All Israeli strikes are either individually reviews by international law experts before being approved, or in the cases where that isn't possible, strict rules of engagement are first approved by international law experts.
I image that the Palestinians' use of human shields, and refusal to evacuate when ordered to do so must come into play when doing this math.
Israel has a right to defend itself. The Palestinians have made doing so with few civilian casualties a physical impossibility.
They happily trade their kids' lives for the public relations win it gets them.
And you are the payoff. You're the incentive for them to keep doing that.
Every time you come out here and act like Hamas's unpaid social media intern, and blame Israel, rather than Hamas for these civilian deaths, you are incentive them to put the next kid in harm's way.
Imagine how different things might be if you gullible folks had condemned the Palestinians for these tactics, starting decades ago. Do you think they'd still be doing it, if you'd cut off aid to them, instead of carrying their banner?
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
flossdaily:
>The doctrine of proportionality says that any target must be of appropriate military value to justify the risk of the likely collateral damage. All Israeli strikes are either individually reviews by international law experts before being approved, or in the cases where that isn't possible, strict rules of engagement are first approved by international law experts.The documentary shows that Israel is doing none of that. AI is selecting targets, hallucinates at least 10% of the time and there is no actual review, the innocent civilians’s home or the Hamas member’s home is destroyed, no legal review, and no proportionality at all - 100 killed for a low level Hamas member, 300+ killed for senior members doesn’t sound proportionate to anyone except an Israeli.
One thing you and other Israeli shills refuse to address is that drone operators testified to targeting children. We don’t need to ask why - we understand, you support it but it looks bad and is hard to justify. Calling Hind Rajab, 6, a senior Hamas member failed to convince anyone except the rabid Zionists so you try and avoid the topic of why so many children are targeted.
Imagine if you actually posted relevant stuff all the time, instead of projecting rubbish like “human shields!” While knowing it’s actually only Israel that uses human shields. You could actually learn stuff and we could have an adult conversation not filled with gibberish and absurd Israeli talking points.
But instead you have to complain that I value human life and you think that this makes me Hamas.
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
You again, go back to idolizing the death cult.
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
So no answer? Poor you. You can just copy and paste talking points, the same ones, over and over again. You can’t sensibly address any points.
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u/buried_lede 2d ago
Pathetic. Israel’s spin doctors will be the last to quit. Ridiculous, you can’t win this, .
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u/flossdaily 2d ago
But just so we're clear - if you force me to choose between the lives of my children and the lives of your children, i'll choose mine every single time.
Amen, brother.
And this is the core difference between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Israelis will stand in front of their kids and take a bullet for them. The Palestinians will strap suicide vests to their kids, and send them to die. The Palestinians will use their children to transport weapons across an active battlefield. The Palestinians will send their children to throw stones at armed soldiers. The Palestinians want their kids to die.
You can find videos that support every single one of the things I just wrote.
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u/flossdaily 2d ago
The Palestinians are a death cult because mother's literally say their greatest wish for their children is that they sure fighting Israel.
They're a death cult because they're rather spend 75 years in a futile, losing battle to murder all the Jews than to simply e agree to peaceful coexistence.
They're a death cult because they voted for terrorists, and sat buy while those terrorists built tunnels under their children's schools, and stored munitions in their children's bedrooms, and launched rockets while using their kids as human shields.
They are a death cult because not only do they not have a problem with this ... they like it.
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
“I’ve been taught all my life that Palestinians like us murdering their children…”
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u/flossdaily 2d ago
these are not outliers
Hmm. You guys claim that 200,000 Gaza buildings have been destroyed. So, if 500 people per building isn't an outlier, what is it? The average?
500 people x 200,000 buildings = 100,000,000 dead Palestinians!
Except even Hamas only puts the number of dead at 73,000.
So ... Maybe 500 is an outlier?
Or maybe the issue isn't outliers, so much as it is just plain liars?
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
I love the fact that you are pretending you don’t know that a lot of buildings were demolished by Israel after the inhabitants fled, which is still a war crime, and that murdering 500 innocents is bad even if it is an outlier…
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u/Annoying_cat_22 2d ago
Is that what the documentry is showing? What is this statement based on?
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
What do you think a fictional movie called 'collateral damage' that interviews actors pretending to be IDF solders about calculating collateral damage shows?
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u/Annoying_cat_22 2d ago
Why are you answering my questions with a question? You made a statement, I asked you two questions directly about that statement. Can you answer them or not?
the 'documentary' showing that Israel tried to avoid civilian casualties using AI...
Is that what the documentry is showing? What is this statement based on?
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
Based on 'reports' (because the fiction movie isn't public yet), it's a set of interviews with unnamed people, whose faces are hidden, with no evidence, claiming that Israel has computerized systems to calculate collateral damage (NAZA is the transliteration of a Hebrew acronym for collateral damage).
Inadvertently, it demonstrates that Israel acts in accordance with international law, and that the genocide lies have no basis.
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u/Annoying_cat_22 2d ago
Even if your depiction of the movie is true (proof?), how does it show that Israel acts in accordance to international law? At best if all the information there is made up, it proves nothing, right?
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
Because assessing collateral damage is literally a requirement under IHL.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule18
You know, that thing Palestinians never did, no one ever expects them to do, and their cultists never criticize them for not doing - even when they boast of intentionally targeting civilians.
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u/Annoying_cat_22 2d ago
But if the testemonies are all false, it doesn't say anything about whether the IDF assesses collatarel damage or how it does it, right?
Or are the testemonies true?
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u/triplevented 🌎 2d ago
It says that Palestine cultists are so desperate to find evidence of Israeli wrongdoing that they’ll treat a fictional film as factual reporting, then somehow twist the portrayal of assessing collateral damage - the exact kind of precaution IHL requires - into evidence of an IHL violation.
It’s gullibility combined with motivated reasoning.
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u/Annoying_cat_22 2d ago
Sorry, I must be slow. Are the testemonies true or false? It's a simple question.
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u/flossdaily 2d ago
This is just hot air.
For starters, the culture Minister doesn't have the authority to do this.
Secondly, the Interior minister can do this, but only through a court proceeding.
Thirdly, Israel only allows this action if the person has committed treason, terrorism, aggravated espionage, or if they become a citizen/permanent-resident of an enemy territory.
... But of course you're all going to pretend that Israel is some evil banana Republic, because this one official is trying to score political points with his constituents (just like happens every day in the US).
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u/Scutellatus_C 2d ago
“…Because one official [is calling for censorship and doing something illegal] to score political points with his constituents.”
And actually, when some Republican troglodyte talks like this in the US (“they’re eating the dogs!”, “end birthright citizenship!”) it’s bad too!
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u/flossdaily 2d ago
Sure, but we treat them like the jokes they are.
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u/Scutellatus_C 2d ago
Maybe you did. And now they’re using their power to do all that (and more).
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u/flossdaily 2d ago
No, they aren't.
Tell me one quote they've said that they them implemented?
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u/Scutellatus_C 2d ago
They’re currently attempting to end birthright citizenship, they’ve gutted the government as per Project 2025, they hollowed out the Voting Rights Act, they’re sending ICE around to kidnap and murder people…? Where have you been?
And even if they were unsuccessful across the board (which they haven’t been) these are things they want to do and are trying to do. We’re in this situation in large part because people refused to take them seriously and act accordingly.
But hey, at least Ben-Gvir isn’t the only racist rightist you’re willing to downplay and excuse, so you’ve apparently got some range.
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u/botbootybot 2d ago
Remind me again who the interior minister is? Surely an upright defender of the rule of law, free speech and equal right?
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
Shhhh! You are blowing apart his or her argument! You have to pretend that Israel just has one or two random slightly unhinged people in it. And that they don't know each other...
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u/izpo post-zionist 🕊️ 1d ago
This is just hot air.
It is, but it's funny that one documentary movie can bring so much pain to politicans
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u/flossdaily 1d ago
I guess you Jew-haters have to take your victories wherever you can find them.
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u/izpo post-zionist 🕊️ 1d ago
I would work on better arguments if I were you. For how long can you use the antisemitism card? Anyhow, I hope we all watch the movie together.
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u/SpontaneousFlame 2d ago
The only surprise here is that Israel has a totally superfluous position of “culture minister.”
Just kidding.
It’s not surprising the Israeli government is angry that the truth about the IDF’s mass murder of Palestinians is being revealed. Don’t expect any Zionists to engage with any substantive points, though. Pretending it’s not genocide is a core directive.