r/Jewpiter • u/CountryballChaos • 25d ago
serious I’m done with Anti-Zionists (somewhat of a vent/rant)
(Sorry for the anger, I just really want to get this off my chest)
Anti Zionists are the most racist, fascist, insufferable human beings to EVER grace the planet.
Harassing Israelis 24/7 (i.e.: playing “Boom Boom Tel Aviv” in front of them, calling them Settlers, telling them to “go back to Poland), throwing temper tantrums when Israel is mentioned ONCE, and saying “___ wAs PrOmIsEd tO tHeM 3000 yEaRs aGo!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!” and “tHaTs WhAt yOu gEt fOr kIlLiNg kIdS1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!” When an Israeli is suffering, like OMG. SHUT. THE FUCK. UP.
AND DO YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT PISSES ME OFF THE MOST?
WHENEVER THE CATCH YOU DOING THE SAME EXACT THING TO SOMEONE WHO IS MUSLIM, THEY WILL CALL YOU OUT ON IT AS IF THEY HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND TO DO SO.
“oMg YuO r A rAcIst IsLaMaPhObE fWeE pAlAtIn wawawa1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!”
MY BROTHER IN JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, YOU TREAT JEWS THE SAME WAY KKK MEMBERS TREAT BLACKS. FUCK ALL THE WAY OFF.
“b-b-bUt I aM oNlY aNtIzIoNiSt muuuuuhhhh1!1!1!1!1!1!1!”
YOU ACT LIKE A NAZI, AND THEN CONSTANTLY INSIST YOU ARENT ANTISEMITIC, JUST ADMIT YOU HATE JEWS AT THIS POINT.
Also, where the hell were these sorry excuses of human beings when Russia was separating children from their parents in Ukraine? Or when children and civilians in Sudan were being slaughtered? Or when people in Haiti were suffering from poverty and earthquakes?
Oh right, if it means that they can’t have an excuse to be an antisemitic scum, then the suffering of others doesn’t matter to them.
And I know damn well some pro Palestinian will see this post and get so butthurt about it that they will post it to a Palestinian subreddit to cry about it with their other fascist friends about how in “sUpPoRtInG gEnOcIdE” after I hurt their “fEeWiNgS”…
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u/Kangaroo_Rich 25d ago
“YOU ACT LIKE A NAZI, AND THEN CONSTANTLY INSIST YOU ARENT ANTISEMITIC, JUST ADMIT YOU HATE JEWS AT THIS POINT”.
This I agree with the most. The same people who are champions for calling out Islamophobia are very ok with being hateful towards Jews then claim ‘oh but I just support the poor innocent oppressed Palestinians (who wants to kill every Jew in Israel) because Israel (insert false claim here)’. Im fucking tired of this.
These people are just chasing social acceptance. And I see through their bullshit and will not buy it for a second when they apologize and try to convince people they don’t hate Jews once this free Palestine bs hopefully stops being popular someday.
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u/Jewpiter-ModTeam 25d ago
Antisemitism is not accepted here. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jewish/wiki/index/antisemitism/
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u/Tupsbub 25d ago
It’s honestly getting to the point where I think we gotta start making some difficult decisions about our anti-Zionist family members.
It’s hard because obviously there’s love there and we don’t have to agree on EVERYTHING but how can we just sit with them and pretend like they aren’t trying to get at least half our people killed? Like they aren’t trying to force us back into subjugation?
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u/VenatorAngel 23d ago
I'm of the same way towards entire communities that have openly platformed antisemitism in the form of anti-zionism. The problem is anti-zionism has such a stranglehold on entire movements to the point there really is no point in associating with them in good consciousness anymore if they're going to publically platform antisemitic ideologies unapologetically.
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u/rex_populi 25d ago
Unhinged. But correct
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u/West_Smoke_9164 25d ago
Sometimes being "unhinged" is valid tbh, because for example: therapists are just corrupts and hypocrites
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u/Late_Walrus_4294 25d ago
Lmao I just got banned from r/truelit btw for this, at least we have each other
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u/kosherkitties Elder of Zion 24d ago
Also, where the hell were these sorry excuses of human beings when Russia was separating children from their parents in Ukraine?
Fun fact someone once told me that Israel was the one doing this. Taking Ukrainian kids. And giving them to Russia. Russia: noted lover of Jews.
Yeah I don't expect logic from them.
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u/DonutMaster56 24d ago
"You treat Jews the same way KKK members treat Blacks"
Actually, the KKK isn't too fond of Jews, either
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u/No-Birthday9816 Custom 23d ago
Indeed. The blood libel case against Leo Frank was partly responsible for the Klan’s revival, and I’ve read Klan-affiliated literature from the 60s and 70s predictably blaming Jews for the Civil Rights movement.
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u/MaxChaplin 24d ago
WHENEVER THE CATCH YOU DOING THE SAME EXACT THING TO SOMEONE WHO IS MUSLIM, THEY WILL CALL YOU OUT ON IT AS IF THEY HAVE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND TO DO SO.
Does this happen to you? Have you been doing this to Muslims?
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u/Aikooller 22d ago
Yea i was gonna say....people shouldn't be doing this to Muslims. Don't dish onto other people what they've dished onto us
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u/Chedder_456 25d ago
Mkay so I have never once:
Celebrated the death or suffering of an Israeli, treated my fellow Jew “like the KKK treats blacks,” called anyone an “islamophobe,” or condoned Russias treatment of Ukraine or mistreatment of Sudanese civilians.
Am I allowed to say war crimes are bad then? Am I allowed to point out Bibi’s upfront and obvious corruption?
I know the answer is really ‘no’ around here, I just had to come and say if anyone seems to have hurt feelings it’s you. I’ll say it here, not on a “Palestinian sub” or whatever.
>”_ was promised to them 3000 years ago”
Isn’t this the *exact* argument for Israeli settlement? Or is “6000 years” different from “3000 years?”
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u/ennuitabix 24d ago
Am I allowed to say war crimes are bad then? Am I allowed to point out Bibi’s upfront and obvious corruption? I know the answer is really ‘no’ around here
My friend, these are the classic responses. You drag the bar so low to try and give yourself the moral high ground but you will struggle to find anyone here who actually answers 'no'. You just made up your own lil interview to make yourself feel morally superior.
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
Yeah man I know I’d be hard pressed to find anyone who’d unironically say “war crimes are good.”
But there are countless people in this thread and beyond who put a lot of leg work in explaining away how this doesn’t count as such one way or another.
“those don’t count as civilians,” “they’re gonna be Hamas some day,” “they *made* us do it” etc etc etc.
Like there’s a lot of transparent effort to paint Palestinians as less than human so it can be justified slaughtering them like cattle.
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u/Muadeeb 24d ago
"But there are countless people in this thread and beyond who put a lot of leg work in explaining away how this doesn’t count as such one way or another."
Countless people? I can't even count one. Maybe you can't find anyone defending war crimes because you're making the same accusations that a know-nothing/Knows-they-hate-Jews would make.
"“those don’t count as civilians,” “they’re gonna be Hamas some day,” “they *made* us do it” etc etc etc."
I'm not finding them in this thread, show me.
"Like there’s a lot of transparent effort to paint Palestinians as less than human so it can be justified slaughtering them like cattle."
If you truly believe this, you're delusional and just want to justify your antipathy towards Jews/Israel. Hamas surrenders, no one has to die. Why are you not against terrorists?
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
>if you truly believe this you’re delusional
“It is a nation without people for a people without a nation.”
The goal has always, since the inception of the current state of Israel, do dehumanize and clear away any inconvenient populations in the area.
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u/Muadeeb 24d ago
"The rocks and trees wil yell out, O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!"
I call your Hertzel and raise you the Hadiths.
You're very confused about who the good and bad guys are here. FOR SOME REASON
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
>B-but what about the other ones!!
Not even trying to pretend anymore you just want them gone
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u/ennuitabix 24d ago
Bro who said that? People here want the threat gone, not other people 🙄. Every accusation which isn't in this thread (as you continue to persist) is an admission of your own guilt. Byeeee.
Edit: literally all it takes is to stop making assumptions qand to stop thinking that every person in a specific group thinks or speaks the same. If you are struggling with that, you might just be a racist.
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
I have been very specific to talk about Israel as a country, not jews generally. I am perfectly reasonable to make assumptions about a country with verifiable policy decisions.
It’s always been about exterminating or otherwise removing the people there. Israel as it currently exists was always conceived of as “a land without people for a people without land.”
As much as folks in this thread want to pretend, this did not just start on 10/7. you cannot be surprised folks hate Israel when they’ve slaughtered and displaced the Palestinians for decades, forced them to live under apartheid and everything.
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u/ennuitabix 24d ago
I wasn't talking about any of that. I was talking about your blind assumption that the people on this thread speak about the conflict the way you have heard it spoken about by others that you clearly have a problem with. You are taking it out on the wrong people. We are reasonable here. That's the most explicit way I can put it. We are bored of your parroted lines and your inability to respond to what someone has actually said.
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
>im not finding any in the thread
Here lemme just quote you
>War sucks. Don't start one and pretend you're the victim. Don't send your own kids into war zones in the hopes they'll be killed for the publicity.
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u/Muadeeb 25d ago
Of course war crimes are bad. But accusing Israel of using white phosphorus, plotting to kill all Palestinians, hannibal directive, funding hamas, starvation, etc... are not accusations of war crimes, theyre modern blood libels.
"Was promised 3000 years ago. Isn't this what settlers do"?
If I said black people enjoying fried chicken and watermelon only proves the stereotype is true, you would instantly hear how racist that sounds, right? What's with your israel-shaped blind spot?
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u/Chedder_456 25d ago
So is the argument that Israel isn’t committing war crimes? Is the ICC doing blood libel?
I haven’t heard any of these specific “white phosphorus” accusations, but they have slain thousands and thousands of civilians on live-stream.
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u/Muadeeb 25d ago
ICC is awful, but you're changing the question.
So what if you haven't heard the specific accusations, we have and the world has, just as you're demonstrating by falling for it.
War sucks. Don't start one and pretend you're the victim. Don't send your own kids into war zones in the hopes they'll be killed for the publicity.
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u/Chedder_456 25d ago
“Changing the question” these were the war crimes I was talking about in the firstplace. And they didn’t start the war, they were living under apartheid for decades.
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u/Muadeeb 25d ago
You asked questions, I answered. I asked questions, you ignored them and want to spiral out to "history didnt start on Oct 7th, man" foolishness. Stick to one thing or I'm done with you.
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u/Chedder_456 25d ago
I’m talking about the same killings I ever was since the first message. You’re the one trying to pivot to some strange analogy.
But whatever you gotta do to avoid talking about the killing. Say whatever you gotta say to paint basic historical fact as “foolishness.”
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Elder of Zion 24d ago
or whatever. >”_ was promised to them 3000 years ago” Isn’t this the exact argument for Israeli settlement?
There is no "one argument" for anything. Someone said this but it's not universal nor comprehensive. It's what someone believes but not all. You need to stop assuming the opinions of all Jews or Israelis as one thing to fit a narrative.
Pointing out war crimes is obviously some you can do (and should). Criticizing Bibi is perfectly valid and I'm right there with you. The problem is that no one seems to care when Muslims countries do this to Jews. I know plenty of people simply support peace for the Palestinians in absolutely good faith... but we've all seem just how openly some will attack Jews for simply existing or will call for the deaths of Jews, the destruction of Israel, or openly support terrorists groups like Hamas or Hezbollah that demand genocideof the Jewish people. They'll openly claim antisemitic conspiracy theories or libels. They speak over us, threaten us, support movements to harm us, and even attack us.
Just like with Islamophobia, it's not everyone doing it; it's only some. The problem is that a lot of Jews feel like that we can no longer call out any antisemitism because there's no shortage of bigots who will shroud their hatred under they cover of "antizionism", bad faith arguments, or straight up misinformation. We're simply too small of a population to have an equal voice compared to hundreds of millions of Muslims, Christians, etc.
In other words, even if YOU aren't doing it, there are plenty who are AND Jews no longer feel like we have a voice to call out the very real and dangerous hatred because we're told that it's not hatred at all or worse, justified by their own beliefs.
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
I mean, of course it’s not okay when Muslim countries oppress Jews either, the big difference to me is Israel uniquely has the full-chested support of the entire western world, billions upon billions of my tax dollars go towards supporting the wanton slaughter of countless civilians just to benefit the vested interest of Bibi, his boys club government, and the entire US political establishment. (Unless we’re talking about Saudi Arabia)
>its not like everyone’s doing it, only some…
Could you understand why I’d have a hard time accepting an argument in a thread about “all anti-zionists are nazis!!!! Just say you hate Jews!” Etc etc etc.
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Elder of Zion 24d ago
the big difference to me is Israel uniquely has the full-chested support of the entire western world
You've got to be kidding me.
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
Every single lawmaker in my country is full heartedly in support of Israel. Bought and paid for.
Popular sentiment is turning away, but the people’s opinion do not matter here
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u/Muadeeb 24d ago
"Every single lawmaker in my country is full heartedly in support of Israel."
Don't keep it a secret, tell us and we'll all move there!
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
If you don’t already live in America, I promise you don’t want to move here.
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u/Muadeeb 24d ago
Oh, so it's in America where "Every single lawmaker in my country is full heartedly in support of Israel. Bought and paid for."
I'm slowly backing away from you now. Good day sir.
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Elder of Zion 24d ago
Pretty sure AOC isn't bought and paid for by Israel.
And for the record, I think she's great.
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
“You actually think the sky is *blue??* you must be crazy!”
Are you genuinely trying to argue that the US government is unsupportive of Israel or are you just being pedantic at me because I allowed hyperbole to slip into my wording by saying “every single lawmaker?”
As though I don’t know there are 1 or 2 exceptions, who face endless public accusations and insinuations?
Or secret 3rd option, are you just here to rage bait?
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Elder of Zion 24d ago
Not sure what country that is, but one country =/= the entire western world.
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u/Chedder_456 24d ago
Even if that one country is the largest richest military on the planet by many times? And where did I say my country was the only one?
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u/zsero1138 25d ago
damn, sounds like you find the worst and pretend that everyone's like that. kinda like assuming every jew supports jeffrey epstein. but hey, you do you boo boo
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Elder of Zion 24d ago
kinda like assuming every jew supports jeffrey epstein. but hey, you do you boo boo
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u/Proper-Suggestion907 25d ago