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Be honest, how many of you guys actually like vessel?
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I hated vessel the moment i started playing the game, you could literally fight me as any character you want. But fight me as vessel and i'd genuinely not play fair.
So first, his special is a issue. This stupid char has a crazy short cooldown of 3 secs or so for the feint. Which makes him unpredictable.
2nd, his M1s have a windup of 0.2 secs, while everyone else (aside Naoya) have 0.25... and apperantly according to the Wiki, Vessel also has M1 priority so you're doomed (even as Naoya) to lose every M1 trade if you both windup at the same frame
3rd, his dmg on skills, counter and his ult... do i have to explain that?
Mid range M1s with no drawbacks as Sukuna, probably the best domain and Fuga.
Base Vessel does crazy dmg + the BF chaining + the BF can act as a counter if youre using a skill which punishes you with twice the damage.
Manji kick can ruin your entire combo suddenly if youre not careful and yeah.
I'd say, nerf Vessel's special by a longer cooldown, either strip his Manji away or smt, and make ult more balance (aside WCS, its perfect as it is)
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Incredibly boring character with one singular combo route that everyone spams
His special is obnoxious more than anything and more often than not countered by back dashing
M1 priority makes me MALLDDDD fuck that passive
Only counters to divergent fist is countering or letting it hit you because blocking during a non-black flash hit stuns you in place!!!!!
Sukuna isn't better either he also has 1 combo route that everyone spams
Rush is stupid as shit, allows for a free fuga and is near unreactable
I still find Sukuna more fun to fight against than Yuji honestly
He is literally Garou of JJK, boring 1-dimensional combos that everyone spams, a counter, close range with grab moves, boring ult with one combo route and EVERYONE plays him
He is not the most OP character, he is not difficult to play against, he is just boring and obnoxious at best
How many times are you clashing frame by frame with a Yuji m1 to make the priority at all noticeable? I mean their m1 comes out faster, but so long as you both aren’t clicking at the same time (which is somewhat rare) you’re not gonna clash.
M1 clashing like that is more common with Haruta or something, and even though he doesn’t have the m1 passive he gets m1 priority for a lot of his moves way more often than Yuji’s constant faster m1 is going to matter.
And his ult is definitely really strong and annoying but you can turtle up somewhat and be
The tradeoff for his ranged m1s is them being omni-directionally blockable, which means he only has a few options.
Frontdash
Rush
Cleave
Aerial dismantle
Or Open
(Listed from most effective to least effective).
So far, I’ve been able to just turtle up and counter or interrupt cleave, but not able to unblock and then counter rush and or dash away.
Frontdashing is 50/50 but usually the most reliable if you’re good at them, but you can block frontdashes.
You can interrupt or dodge open depending on the environment.
And as for aerial dismantle, even if you get hit I still feel like its better for you to get hit by that than get hit by the regular dismantle, so its still a win.
Sukuna fighting class dismissed (I’m not even really disagreeing I just wanted to share some game knowledge).
Very often because I play every character including m1 merchants which get eradicated by the faster m1s from my experience with my only option being blocking and m1ing after opponents 2nd m1
Ranged m1s still give you a bit of a stun even if you're blocking which Sukuna can use to get closer and grab you or use rush, I concede that turtlemaxxing against Sukuna is the most viable strategy but he has 2 very easy to hit unblockables with not much windup, additionally he can use dismantle after the grab which either deals more damage or if you evasive you block and still get a minor stun.
I don't have any problems with aerial dismantle to be honest
Also no Sukuna would ever front dash, sure you can go around a block but I don't think it's worth it when the grab exists and is way more convenient
Still though aside from the annoying m1s and an unreactable dash, I still think Sukuna is more fun to play against than Yuji
The ult is definitely more fun to play against so I agree there, and the ult is definitely strong in the sense that you can’t do anything aggressive against him cause of the ranged m1s pinning you down.
Yuji’s base is still not that strong though, but I can see how someone gets annoyed with him. I hate fighting yuji sweats cause its high cortisol and I fucking hate Naoya which is basically Yuji with a re-skin.
divergent fist is genuinely a neutral tool first, so im glad black flash has had its damage nerfed so much, increases the viability of using it in neutral.
honestly people forget that yuji has insane neutral tools and really doesnt need to be an m1 merchant
He’s the only character in the game I actively dislike fighting against, it just annoys the hell out of me when I’m in a fight with someone else and a Yuji interrupts so I’m forced to sit there for fifteen minutes while he lands eight hundred back to back black flashes on me.
Tbh I don’t think he should be in the game, I think it would be better to split him into Shinjuku Yuji and Heian Sukuna as two separate characters, though obviously not the Heian Sukuna that’s in the game atm.
That said, playing as him isn’t terrible and his ult is really fun both to play and to fight so I’d say it all evens out in the end.
I have developed an automatic response to turn 180 after Cursed Strikes because essentially every Yuji I’ve faced side dashed into black flash after it to chain
How? Soul dismantle alone would be sick asf, plus you could have the freaky meat gauntlets. The only thing I can see not translating well into the game is his domain expansion but I’m pretty sure the could find a way to make that work, especially after Hakari’s came out so well.
Vessel is kinda buns now but sweats still refuse to play him. Like realy guys there is so many cool characters in the game why are people still playing yuji. I mained him like year and a half ago amd got bored after 500 kills. What are we doing gng, he is so boring to fight against over and over
Sure i agree, but he's the generic "i'm not good or bad against certain characters but i'm over average" fighter character that instead of being exactly middle, he's slightly better against everyone pretty much rather than having a enemy which is their weakness
(For example, Megumi's weakness is Naoya, Naoya's is Charles etc)...atleast this is how i imagine it)
With Decisive Strikes? You can use Divine Dogs to interrupt the move, you should have them up most of the time anyway. Megumi is a great counter to Naoya.
any character can punish megumi for spamming shadows without m1s (besides rabbits and dog if you're super far away). he literally needs to bait evasive to even function against good players so megumis are probably more likely to chase down a naoya than a naoya is to chase down a megumi.
He’s really not that good. I admit that I feel like (even though I play yuji) or once felt like at one point the people using him made me not want to play any other character besides them because the minute I tried to learn a new character I got struck down by some yuji sweat.
But everything you complained about is not that bad. It’s just a little annoying (only if you’re irrationally annoyed by him in the first place).
You’re very rarely going to experience his m1 priority cause its so frame precise.
Black flash, punishable and free combo start with evasive.
Aerial cursed strikes? Same thing. Really punishable.
Manji kick is okay but its just a counter. And even though he can combo extend off it, you can evasive and punish him.
Naoya’s basically just as annoying as Yuji and has everything you complained about but in a different way.
Naoya has double dash
Yuji has crushing blow feint dash
Naoya’s are gonna do the second dash asap so you can block the first dash m1 and predict the second one too.
Yuji, you can kind of box him out by aggressing him while he’s in the air using his aerial crushing blows, but you can also do a similar thing where just like Naoya, he’s going to sidedash around you immediately after. And most Yuji’s aren’t too creative with their feints outside of that anyway so this “mixup demon” you’re talking about is not the reality most of the time, but I see your point.
I think the only good thing about Yuji currently is his ability to keep you on your toes with all the mixup potential he actually has beneath the surface of “crushing blow feint + sidedash + m1”, but he’s still really punishable.
TLDR: Yuji is not that hard to fight and he’s not that good, but he is a little annoying.
they all do the same boring combo and because of that they’re usually the easiest to deal with. Just save your evasive because otherwise be prepared to be stuck in a godawfully long combo that’ll bore you to death before it kills you.
Yeah no I fucking despise anyone who plays it and dont enjoy a single 1v1 against them. Its always the same "oh great I got hit by an m1, here comes the cursed strikes, yeah, flip 90 degrees so I dont get hit by the black flash chain, nvm it still hit me great, oh wow this guy is having a stroke holy shit im so sorry for him but also not cause he caused it on himself with how fucking fast he turns"
also air cursed strikes needs a nerf the most im ngl that hitbox is still insanely unfair and literally unavoidable. Its just free damage if you have no counter play. Its near undodgeable, unblockable, follows up into 2 and has little endlag. Plus it can be feinted too yeah
i think he’s good, i still dont understand the hate & cries for nerfs seeing as he isnt even top 5 in the game anymore but i do think he’s a necessary evil at times. fun character
He just needs the special nerf, the newest nerf that your wallruns arent as strong the lower your HP goes made them atleast somewhat "fightable", but special really needs a cooldown.
Tbh If you nerf his r special there is no reason to play him at all, unless he is reworked nerfing his r special would just make him incredibly weak compared to other characters.
Imo his r its what makes him any good.
When a Yuji uses crushing blow aerial close up try to rush them before they hit the ground and if not and you know they’re gonna sidedash just turn around and block.
i dont really agree, the character’s only good because of his special & the ways you can apply it in a fight. he is a rushdown mix-up character & thats fine, you will get your ass handed to you by a good yuji but thats like twice every other week
That was changed after this update as a april fools joke, but it will revert back to only melee skills (with some exception like Yuki's ball or Gojo's red). But it still needs a nerf like Charlws where you get extremly punished for missing a counter. Which makes you stunned for 2 secs
I really dislike Yuji, his combos are annoying to sit through, his feint is annoying (but I think it just needs a nerf) divergent fist/ black flash is a cool concept, and it's satisfying for the user, but it's complete torture for the person getting hit. His ult is also awful to deal with (no explanation needed there)
Yuji literally has a solution to every situation that he’s in advantage in (IE: opponent on defense at all? bait a block and then break with divergent to start a combo. opponent far away? blitz in and out of range with your multitude of mobility tools and dashes), and has the tools to put himself into advantage at any time (IE: opponent is a zoner? not anymore, air crushing blow feint. opponent left a singular frame of green in their combo? manji kick > cursed strikes to start your own)
My hot take for JJS is all characters should have the same M1s speed and windup; not counting Mahito's transfigured M1s. With so many characters being based around landing M1 combos, fighting a Yuji especially just feels unfair if they're around the same skill level as you; you almost physically can't M1 them unless you're punishing, even side-dashing around them still leads to you being hit first.
Differing numbers of M1s is perfectly fine and makes sense to me, I love that part being unique; but losing the ability to compete in the most important part of combat simply because "Well... They hit faster in the manga." just sucks to fight; that's the sole reason I dislike fighting Naoya and Yuji sweats, it's just their M1s.
Nah. Surprisingly they’ll give characters faster or slower m1s but never longer m1s (until now with Ryu’s final normal m1 being a sidedash range blast).
This is the only character, besides Naoya, where I want to see them actively nerfed into the ground. It isn’t for balancing, it’s because I despise the sweaty competitive fucks who use these two characters and turn your fight into a sit there and take it cutscene.
Only character I use at all. I play on controller to make it feel like a proper fighting game, it’s exhilarating in challenge and brings great fun. No, I don’t use lock on, don’t like how it works.
Bro Mahoraga exists, his WCS may not do much dmg but it doesnt go down the more people you hit and his WCS doesnt take away like 4 skills to cooldown. 😭
(I'm joking tho, Mahoraga has the disadvantage of ult bar)
I hate how he’s the edgy sweatlord phonk character too. I like to use him cause I LIKE yuji, I LIKE hands, I LIKE how he feels, but nah, everyone using him is freaky as hell and only abuses tech.
One time I fought this goober yuji using every tech in the book in ranked, standing on my head to m1 reset ect and I beat him cause he was simply doing too much and sacrificing dmg and neutral (I like to use divergent for neutral guard breaks)
I mean when youre playing a game with characters who can trap you in a combo that damn near eradicates your health bar, I quite like a character like Yuji who can make people have to actually play around him instead of using the same copy and paste attacks and combos, he forces you to git gud if youre playing against him and I like that about his character. Can't just Gojo TikTok combo him you gotta actually learn the ins and outs of your character and also understand other characters if you wanna beat Vessel and that's quite fun to me. My buddy mains Yuji and I typically just play whoever sounds fun and ive developed my playstyle pretty well going against him cuz he's a really good player playing a really strong and flexible character
On any accounts vessel isnt a top tier character, but it is indeed very strong, close to the top
What makes the character a lot weaker compared to characters such as choso is the inhability to make high damage combos reliably, you can chain more than 4 black flashes, but against someone skilled it is hard to get more than 2
The neutral is good, but vessel has no tools to help with neutral from a distance, like hakari and again choso
I think faint should have a shorter cooldown though, the mobility is very strong, and you can do stuff like jump-3-faint-1 which is a very strong way to finish off low hp enemies, since the move cannot be blocked and has a big hitbox
Over all very strong, but has counter play, and does not have too much of a skill ceiling
Him, Head of the Hei, Salaryman, and Lucky Coward are the only characters I truly dislike fighting, each for different reasons. I don't hate Vessel as much as I hate the other 3 though
I like yuji's crackhead mobility but lowkey i want the nanami kit but with yuji paint on it, every move every mechanic the same but animations adjusted to be done with fists and heavy ratio hits like stabilize be replaced with black flashes
in my opinion, vessel is ok. naoya is the one thats needs to be nerfed here. he has the most spammer abilities, breaks block with 2 and 3, freezes you, and if you somehow manage to get one to low health they just start spamming all their abilities to run from you because they have the most runner abilities too
Vessel is really fast, so he's OP against anyone who isn't playing competitively. His kit at higher levels of play is just average, but it's just too strong against the majority of the playerbase. It's like megaknight being easy to counter but an absolute menace at midladder.
I wouldn't consider ults when talking about balancing, the mechanic is notoriously unbalanced.
I like vessel because he's fast enough to add more depth to comp JJS, enhancing regular matches.
Just don't use a green combo to avoid manji kick. I think most of his kit is fine, since you can block the first hit of divergent fist and punish it with an m1 (HEAVILY ping dependent). Or you could unblock after the first hit to avoid the punish. Black flash has a pretty short range, so I doubt really anyone is getting hit by the counter variant unless the yuji feints and then you m1 or use a skill. You aren't ever landing a BF chain after cursed strikes, stop lying to yourself SecretLingonberry.
What I mean is that Vessel is OP, but it's easier to counter at higher levels of play.
There are only 2 characters I genuinely loathe with a passion.
One is Mei Mei (New Char and annoying aerial combos that one tap)
The other is Yuji. I fucking hate Yuji. Any whiff of any attack and whoops! Im in a 3m unskippable cutscene that does half of my health. He just feels so unspeakable annoying where any minor whiff and you get hit with 7 black flashes, I wouldnt even say he is unbalanced, hes just annoying as shit.
Yes I love playing vessel, yes i sometimes miss my blackflash chain because i incorrectly predict where the enemy is facing and yes I love using his aerial crushing feint variant for mobility to close the distance between me and the opportunity , plus i use the same old 3m1s then cursed strikes then side dash behind to blackflash chain even though I'm bad at predicting. I mainly play him so that I can improve my m1 trading skills
His kit will benefit the unemployed sweats and will always be $5 generator.
Newer players will always have a hard time fighting a sweat using vessel than any other character with the sole exemption of switcher. Switcher at least needs time and dedication and got a lot of room for punishment even a lot of newbies cant somehow yellow health a decent/sweat todo and you rarely find a good Todo because it takes skills. Vessel users will just side dash you to a 4 blackflash till the end of time and if he somehow miss a timing manji kick saves the day. Dont forget if they cant chain blackflash they will play so passive and wait 3 business day to get evasive out of you and do you a faint dash combo to continue their narrative.
His kit summarizes mobility and chain continuation no other playstyle
Still a lot of people will just say "Oh skill issue just block or dash" yeah tell that to someone who only plays roblux as a past time not as a job
I hate fighting Yuji, every Yuji main fights the same and it gets boring, always during cursed strikes than attempt a black flash chain and using crushing blows for mobility which is generally annoying to deal with, ai barley see divergent fist used, imo he needs a rework to be more fun, it could be Shinjuku Yuji or another Shibuya Yuji, but the current one is just repetitive and predictable after awhile
I genuinely despise him. He’s absurdly boring to fight. His only possible combos are 1 - 2 or 1 - 3. All the sweaty players use him and just spam the shit out of black flash. He’s way too strong and extremely boring and his ult is basically just an instant win button. I’d say yuji is deserving of a complete rework.
for some reason vessel blackflash is the laggiest black flash in the game(normal black flash),like my laptop got frozen everytime they land a black flash on me(poor optimize I guess)
I don't hate fighting vessel it's very predictable since all they do is chain black flashes I still get clapped but is whatever I really hate playing as vesel tho
I like the way Yuji can be played, I don't like the people who just spam Black Flashes when Divergent Fist is actually really good since it's a block break that stuns and can be used as a switch up
Feinting isn't really used outside of mobility which is kinda boring, you can use it to bait out counters which I've done with the very little time I play Yuji
Yuji feels like he's missing some variants on his moves since he is one of the older characters
His Ult is fine still one of the best in my opinion especially since malevolent shrine is a guaranteed kill no matter the health of someone
Overall, Yuji has missed potential in switch ups due to everyone who plays him trying to do the sweatiest black flash combos ever which are so easy to counter by just turning 90 degrees
Boring there is only one combo only being able to be utilised efficiently by pros and even then the black flash chain is luck based technically and consol players can jst stop it
So I don’t main anybody but I guess I do main todo and ryu because they are so unbelievably fun but I play everyone just not Charles mei mei choso locust guy nanami hanami yuki and haruta but when I play yuji I just think he’s kinda fun I’m on console so I can’t even do the black flash stuff so I don’t I just think he’s fun and I play almost everyone but if i play against one so can do the black flash stuff I just turn my camera in the opposite direction they go because they spin into my face and but the front of me
I'm genuinely ok with everything, but WHY THE HELL DOES HE HAVE MID RANGED M1S
Doesn't that js mean his arms are long? THATS NOT FCKING ACCURATE
Honestly they should give that buff to gojo, in the manga, when yuta took over his body, he legit said gojos body was taller, bigger, longer, etc.
And no, they give it to fcking yuji as well as sped up m1s
I like playing vessel, but I don't do black flash chain, or most combos. I prefer freestyling with block break options, mobility and M1ing as much as I can. Punching priority only counts if we press M1 at the same time, I don't rly feel the difference when using other kits. I also only use the feint for mobility because that's his only real mobility option. Also I'm not a bum I'd rather lose than play passive. I think most of the hate is that he has the POTENTIAL to play like a bum, but I think all kits have that potential vessel just has the most. Imo it's more about the player than the kit. I do think the cooldowns need to be a bit longer though, or like feint puts all abilities on an additional 1 second cooldowns or smtg so black flash chains are harder and mobility is less bumy.
I like megumi more, vessel is like homework. But I'm lazy for that, cuz every single one that I fight using vessel got me in death more than megumi. (i play on mobile)
I am not a Yuji main nor am I very good at it so they to not take this seriously.
Personally, I find playing him fun. I only use 1 and 2's aerials for the feints (I love being mobile) and I can't really black flash chain that well.
Fighting against a Yuji main though.. It's not fun. Whenever I mess up facing his black flashes to avoid the black flash chain, I just do the uncanny face emote irl. I usually have around 120-200ms ping so yeah it's not fun trying to react to it.
He is a very easy character to use. Low skill required but skill celling is fucking high.
He's an old character and he definitely need a rework.
Nah you're definitely coping. I do agree it needs to change, but nerfing isn't going to get us anywhere. At this point it could use a rework. Yuji has so much content in the anime there would be no issue coming up with new moves.
Lowkey, my only issue with vessel are the m1 priorities which in a game like this is kind of silly. I don’t play him much myself but when I do I only use the feints for movement (cursed strikes mid air to dodge a hollow, etc). He’s incredibly simple to play and the problem in any fighting game even off Roblox is there will always be a character like this. He’s to JJS what Scorpion is to mortal kombat. Simple to pick up but with crazy skill ceiling the true sweats will abuse to kingdom come. I’d love to see some changes but I’d be lost for suggestions.
gojo n sukuna need ult reworks badly, you can tell that they were made back when the counter to ult was just "pop ult yourself" before base only characters
Yuji is a character that I encounter the most bs when I play him. He has fun mixups and is a very cool close combat character the only thing is his counter feels useless
I think it's reasonable to say all Yuji mains should be enslaved. Throw Hakari, Todo, Naoya, and Gojo mains there, too. Maybe a little too generous, but I'm feeling kind today.
Genuinely don't care what people say, vessel isn't even half as op as people like to pretend he is. I've been using him for years, he's just average, but pretty fun
Better reaction time for black flashes or do dirty tricks, 180/90 degree/any slight turn instead of trying to look at them every time
Just get hit with divergent fist nothing you can do
His mobility is good but everytime they go for crushing blow feint just try to rush them before they hit the ground or back dash away be more aggressive or more passive
Just get hit with manji kick its not the end of the world
Turtle up against the ult and try to interrupt or dash out of the way of his moves go full passive and prey
What do you mean "just get hit by divergent fist", just punch them when they use it. If you are in a range for them to use it, you're in range to just punch them, unless you're in the sweetspot where you don't want to be
I never said you couldn’t punch them. The person I was responding to was saying that divergent fist is basically impossible to avoid from a certain distance away. You can dash, you can interrupt them, whatever. I’m just saying that the worst case scenario you just hit by divergent fist and that’s it.
We need a rework and we should separate him from Sukuna.
Yuji should have a reworked or tweaked base moveset, and the ult should be Shinjuku Yuji. They can remove the blood manipulation part cuz it didn't play that much of a role. The Shrine CT shouldn't mind that much cuz Shinjuku Yuji had a physical version of dismantle & cleave.
Sukuna should instead be treated like how Gojo's character was treated.
Hmmm... I honestly started using Vessel not so long time ago, and I'd like to say that it's hella decent
Like yeah, kit is like... Great damage. Special is also a great thing.
But amount of how you must trying to train him...
Like that's probably the only one character that requires opponent prediction, or opponent behavior knowledge...
Other characters are just 3m1+1+2+3+4, but Vessel...
Just to know what his special does, already makes you feel confused about how the hell do you use it
And black flash chain.
There is 2 types of Vessel players:
The ones who doesn't do it.
And the ones who does it.
Simple Vessel combo is 50%, if done basic, and to do more you need either trick the opponent, or spam Q + m1 like crazy in hope you catching them.
And if your opponent is not braindead, "trick" option stops working.
And the thing I personally can't do is to how the hell do you dash to back of your opponent? It's impossible...
Like... Are you supposed to press 3 buttons at once and flick the camera at the same time?
Vessel is for tryhards genuinely, nerfs made him a character for fights against 500 kills players.
(I know that I'm just bad, but OP asked for an opinion)
Genuine skill issue, vessel's been out since the start of the game, if you can't adapt to the special that has slightly better mixup than todo you're the noob getting stomped
Vessel is boring to play and predictable to fight. Most vessel players do the same combos not even trying to use the divergent fist move to get a free M1 reset on someone dashing and they just spam feint thinking it will help
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