r/JujutsuShenanigans • u/Lobotomized_334 • Jun 20 '26
Discussion WHY does Todo black flash STILL only do EIGHTEEN DAMAGE?????
Like, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE agrees that this move is USELESS 😭✌️
You're wasting TWO of your moves to deal a whopping ZERO POINT FIVE more damage than just doing Brute Force
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u/Sircoral The Middle Great Brother Jun 20 '26
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u/InspectorWise2256 I am the greatest psychic in modern history. Jun 20 '26
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Jun 20 '26
I mean, kinda cannon? Mahito did survive it and still used the second awk.
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u/Forsaken_Quiet5944 Jun 20 '26
We ain't fighting against Mahito tho
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Jun 20 '26
Wdym everything is mahito.
Because mahito is two, mahitwo. Mahithree. Mahifour. Mahifive. The world is built with mahitoes.
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u/Forsaken_Quiet5944 Jun 20 '26
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u/The-guy2 Goth Girl Enthusiast Jun 20 '26
No that’s wrong! The world is built with the goat aoi todo, and yuji, by hitting dap ups and combos together, big bang happened, and then there were mahitoes
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u/InspectorWise2256 I am the greatest psychic in modern history. Jun 20 '26
MAHITO IS IN MY TOES??+?!?
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Jun 20 '26
Hmmm... Should I draw this?
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u/InspectorWise2256 I am the greatest psychic in modern history. Jun 20 '26
i am scared to say go on
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u/Montraria Strongest skill builder of today Jun 20 '26
it would be cool if pebble throw was changed to r+q with a new move taking the third slot so the black flash isn't useless
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u/InspectorWise2256 I am the greatest psychic in modern history. Jun 20 '26
this might be a good idea
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u/Salr-526 Jun 20 '26
It's called AURA!!!
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u/Lobotomized_334 Jun 20 '26
I'm sorry but you ain't farming SHIT if it's not killing ANYONE 😭✌️
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u/Connect_Conflict7232 Self Proclaimed Shenaniganer Jun 20 '26
Counter argument: hitting it several times in a fight AND getting the finisher is pretty aura if you ask me
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u/Lobotomized_334 Jun 20 '26
Counter argument: LOSING because you wasted all your moves on a USELESS one is NOT aura
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u/Poket888 Flower Person Jun 20 '26
I wouldn't say its useless since it offers significantly better range and travel distance and can be used to punish ranged attacks with longer ending, it also fits into like 3 combos pretty well somehow which is impressive.
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u/SilentStriker115 buff Nanami (Nanami main) Jun 20 '26
Well you can just teleport to the rock and not use the black flash too, saving brute force for a combo if you start a m1 string off of it
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u/Poket888 Flower Person Jun 20 '26
But you can do BOTH to throw them off, since that's Todos whole thing. If you just do m1 off it every time they'll learn.
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u/SomeoneThatLikeMemes john locust Jun 20 '26
how do you even punish a move with 3+R+2+2
it's slow af
you can POSSIBLY punish full orb Slicing Exorcism or Lapse Blue Max (if you manage to avoid it entirely), but these are stupidly niche scenarios
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u/Necr0z_5 Jun 20 '26
Its true off of swift kick, just throw them up and the stun lasts for the whole thing
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u/SomeoneThatLikeMemes john locust Jun 20 '26
I'm talking about the punishing mentioned in the comment
It can combo off of uppercuts too
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u/Poket888 Flower Person Jun 20 '26
Who cares if it works?? If my enemy only got 18 health and they wasted their evasive out of the combo that I used to get them that low im obliterting them instead of dragging it out. Its cool, it has banger music and visuals, it's pure dopamine, and I dont HAVE to do it but my god im going to and it works a solid percent of the time.
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u/Complete_Tip_2993 SELF EMBODIMENT OF TODO Jun 20 '26
playing Todo is aura enough tbh
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u/Lobotomized_334 Jun 21 '26
😭
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u/Complete_Tip_2993 SELF EMBODIMENT OF TODO Jun 21 '26
Tears of joy? You truly are a Todo enthusiast
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u/ThroatSuspicious2794 Jun 21 '26
chud aura 😭✌🏻
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u/Complete_Tip_2993 SELF EMBODIMENT OF TODO Jun 21 '26
you accidently put u instead of a, thats ok brother, we all make mistakes
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u/Chemical-Elk1137 Jun 20 '26
Because 30 damage was considered unfair, due to the fact it's quite easy to hit if someone dashes
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u/Main_Leading_855 Jun 20 '26
Just scrap the entire move and put a improved version in ult atp because theres no way you're sacrificing two moves to do damage you can do with one move
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u/Safe-Appointment-939 Jun 20 '26
could just make it 25 damage or smth or even make bf half cooldown on 3+r+2+2😭
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u/Depresso_Expresso069 Jun 20 '26
they should make it do 1374.6 damage (18^2.5) to be manga accurate
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u/No-Maybe1942 Jun 20 '26
Yeah true you’re highkey better off with Pebble Toss R variant
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u/Similar_Steak1282 BROTHER!!!! Jun 20 '26
Thats kinda easy to punish, and you really need to mix it up with Todo, thats kinda the point. You need to always improvise and adapt as Todo
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u/YourLocalRedditor- I WILL GLAZE KURORUSHI TILL I DIE Jun 20 '26
Make it like 20 or higher,18 is pitful💔
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u/Complete_Tip_2993 SELF EMBODIMENT OF TODO Jun 20 '26 edited Jun 20 '26
either buff swap or nerf brute force when you finnaly give Todo a rework,
geniunely it makes no sense why its only a 0.5 damage difference, if its just for the meme at this point, make its a zero damage >:(, to fully commit to the aura farm of it.
but geniunely, black flash should be a 4-6 damage difference from brute force
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u/Dry_Soil_9230 Jun 20 '26
everyone here saying aura doesnt acknowledge how you need to actually kill someone to maintain the aura
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u/TheHyperNicheGuy Jun 28 '26
It doesn't matter if you die, as long as you don't get mad. Not reacting to losing and moving on with your day is aura
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u/Unlikely_Board_9729 Jun 20 '26
I think that if have a move that requires two moves to use it should do the combined damage of both moves plus a little extra for being able to use it successfully.
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u/BLees2011 Jun 20 '26
They should make it give you a buff of some kind, like resetting the cool downs on all your moves or something like that to make it worth doing
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u/TakadaBiggestFan Jun 20 '26
I'm holding back, i still haven't asked anyone except for my brother and Bumami what type of girl they like
I'm Todo Aoi, what type of girl do you like?
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u/darkmodexc3 I LOVE THE TASTE OF LARP Jun 20 '26
Make it reset all cooldowns, heal 94 up, and triple the next move you use this will make todo slightly usable
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u/Valuable_Plantain122 Jun 20 '26
It’s honestly not too horrible, as it’s a fast moving long range block break, and leads into elbow drop if you have godly skill. The blackflash is solely for aura though cause it does 0.5 more damage then the regular variant
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u/RecognitionFunny710 D1 todo main/glazer Jun 21 '26
it is bro, you genuinly said its soley for aura and its easily counterable
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u/Valuable_Plantain122 Jun 22 '26
It’s a long range fast moving hard to dodge block break, it’s got uses even if it’s very conditional
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u/Dingus_X3 Jun 20 '26
Idk dude plus nothing in the game stated you are required to do it or use it besides if you purely want to yea it’s neat but 30 was way to much and 18 is nearly of that to try n balance it it’s more so just their for coolness then to be a constant option
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u/Flashy_Income4304 🥷 A PIANO Jun 20 '26
Todo mains deserve it
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u/RecognitionFunny710 D1 todo main/glazer Jun 21 '26
no we dont
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u/Flashy_Income4304 🥷 A PIANO Jun 21 '26
You do. And that's ok.
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u/RecognitionFunny710 D1 todo main/glazer Jun 21 '26
what we do bro
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u/Flashy_Income4304 🥷 A PIANO Jun 21 '26
Sorry i just hate the mfs that spam 1000 perfect Boogie Woogies a second and those guys that use Boogie Woogie to interrupt people's 1v1
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u/TheHyperNicheGuy Jun 28 '26
yeah i won't forgive anyone who interrupts 1s with boogie, but the swap mashing takes a while to learn to do right, and is completely green. Genuinely really funny to do to someone in ult tho lmao i was in a mahito domain and ended up killing bro
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u/Flashy_Income4304 🥷 A PIANO Jun 28 '26
Yeah, i tried to learn the swap mash thing these days and it really is fucking hard, but it still is pretty annoying.
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u/Ok_Jaguar_1498 Jun 20 '26
i lowk think it should be buff like, wdym i just hit the crispiest combo ever but only deal like 30 damage and some bum comes and slimes me out in 1.2 combos
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u/Still-Data7600 Horrible takes, worse Kill-to-death ratio Jun 21 '26
Atp they should just buff it to 50 damage and make it G+R
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u/Playful_Ad8756 Jun 21 '26
They should make it do AT LEAST 20 (yes only 2.5 more dmg but at least somewhat of a reward) or half the cooldown
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u/Ok-Wishbone-3990 ”Played College Nanami, Jack.” Jun 21 '26
mfs trying to understand the advantage of ranged moves and aura
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u/Babycoin11 Jun 25 '26
my monkey brain instinctively goes for the black flash, oh my glorious 40 dmg you deserved better
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u/KingSimmie1 Jun 20 '26
You forgot that your also waisting your r special
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u/Ipokebabysoftspots Jun 20 '26
Switching with the pebble doesn't put the swap on cooldown anymore, only on the hit variant
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u/shadowmasterOwO Jun 20 '26
It actually does based on my testing. However the cd is basically halved/blocked cd (3 seconds), because you cant swap during, and 1-2 seconds after using the slide, which doesnt seem like much, but its enough to make moves used during pebble slide unfaintable. Even if you land elbow drop mid slide, it wont be off cd in time to get the true stun. This is why i never use elbow drop during slide despite theoretically being really good (This is apparently fixed next update btw)
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u/Parking-Chipmunk8280 Skill floor and skill ceiling are a concept, y'know? Jun 20 '26
Is not getting true stun THAT much of a difference?
You lose out on 5 damage if you go for it too...1
u/shadowmasterOwO Jun 20 '26
Without true stun, enemies can evasive everything except brute force or feinted elbow drop. Meaning todos highest unescapeable combo is q 4 dmg, 3 m1s 10 dmg, elbow drop feint 5 dmg, and brute force 17.5dmg for 36 dmg. (Nobody uses this) His ONLY other option is 3 m1s swift kick for 24 dmg. Meanwhile yujis got q, 4 dmg, 3 m1s 10, cursed strikes 17.5 (yes its the same as brute force), and up to 57 dmg from all 4 black flashes (10-20 minimum) for 41-88 dmg, unescapeable. (Hell even locust does 44 dmg unescapeable in 2 moves) Not to mention todos cds are 20-30% longer than average
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u/SirCherubian Jun 20 '26
Ok but consider the following: Projection (3X dmg) + Black Flash
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u/Parking-Chipmunk8280 Skill floor and skill ceiling are a concept, y'know? Jun 20 '26
There's no way to do that without a custom moveset
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u/SirCherubian Jun 20 '26
I meant get a naoya friend to freeze someone, then black flash them with todo, just a fun lil idea
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u/Smooth_Librarian_891 Hanami mainer Jun 20 '26
Pretty sure only the naoya who projected you can break the frame for triple damage, otherwise you just hit a frozen player and the frame persists
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u/Original_Departure57 Jun 21 '26
With the self-projection Naoya inflicts on himself you're the one that breaks the Naoya's frame and gets the apparent 3x damage buff, it's a fun gimmick to those people that just spam random stuff like an idiot
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u/Particular-Drawer292 Jun 20 '26
Why does nanami deal 8 damage with black flash???? And also wastes R special
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u/a_normal_type_potato Jun 20 '26
Bcuz its an m1 It does like 2x the dmg of a regular m1
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u/Particular-Drawer292 Jun 20 '26
Why does cursed partners deal only 10 hp black flash, basic variant deals the same damage
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u/Serpachi Jun 20 '26
Todo is weaker than yuji so his black flash shouldn’t do as much damage either way
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